Boston bomber angry at the U.S

[Holly3278]

I read on one of the British newspapers that their motivation for committing this heinous act was revenge for the wars that the United States goes to in the various different Muslim nations. In fact, this article had quotes from two or three others that we caught before they committed acts of terrorism (the underwear bomber was one of them) and these terrorists also mentioned that they were going to do it out of revenge for the wars the United States has conducted in Islamic lands.

Regardless of their motivation and the reason for their anger, their acts were completely unjustified. Nevertheless, I forgive all who have attempted terrorist attacks as well as all who have completed them. That in no way, shape, or form is me justifying them either. I definitely want to see justice served. However, I also want to see them repent, convert to Catholicism, and someday be in Heaven. The way I see it is that if Jesus could forgive His executioners and the good thief while hanging on the Cross then why can’t I forgive others who have done evil?

 

[CatholicGeek1]

When I saw this headline (before reading anything else) the only thing I could think of was “DUH!”

 

[cargau]

It is truly to be expected, but part of making sense of what appears to be a senseless act is knowing that these two children (I am referring to a spiritual maturity) were angry at the U.S. in general.

cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57581278/officials-u.s-wars-against-muslims-triggered-suspects/

As much as our Muslim friends encourage peace and “returning evil with good”, the human compulsion is for justice, and the two involved sought carrying out justice in their own way. Like all condemnation, the boys’ condemnation of America blocked their empathy toward its people. They were blind to the humanity of their victims.

I am energized to do something. Our secular society does not have the answers for this problem, but religions do. All major religions emphasize forgiveness, but all followers forget to forgive. If the boys were acting out of anger, which it sounds like they were, they had neglected to forgive.

This is not a Muslim problem but a human problem. We all need to join hands and work together to encourage forgiveness, for it is truly the path to peace. We owe it to the victims of the Boston bombing to forgive all of our enemies. And let us remember - it is our calling to do so.

We all get angry, judge, condemn, and hate compulsively, automatically. We are slaves to our nature. To forgive, we have to will to forgive!

Wow, I’m really struggling with the whole kumbaya thing. The fact is, this was an evil, despicable act. There is no justification for treating another human being in the cruel, cowardly manner that the two brothers acted. Any religion, country, culture or organization that supports or promotes such actions is purely evil.

And, just so that we are clear, that includes the USA.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

No, I could not justify doing what they did. I do believe that they thought they were carrying out justice, though. Ignorance. Sad, but human. Around here, gang bangers kill members who try to leave the gang. They see the desertion as an unjust. Again, I see this as atrocious. They see it as policing their own.

Some twisted, theoretical sense of “justice” might be just barely understandable if the violence had been directed against a government facility or official. But a crowd of bystanders, including children? That’s neither “justice” nor retribution - it’s mass slaughter, terrorism, and war on the “infidels” whose tax dollars supported their welfare payments. In what way is setting off fragmentation bombs in a crowd “policing their own?” If they wanted to "police their own " they would have maybe attacked a mosque whose imam they disagreed with. It is a matter of record that the older brother was ejected twice from services for interrupting the imam because he disagreed with statements being made.

 

[OneSheep]

Really? I haven’t heard much of this.

Try googling “Muslim condemnation of Boston marathon bombings”.

 

[OneSheep]

This is a nice post, OneSheep.

I always wonder how heaven is. I like to imagine much, much better than life on earth is.

I’ve just come to accept the Darwinian nature of the world. I just want to eventually carve out my own nice little section. Somewhere warm and what I regard as naturally beautiful. Like Southern Florida (although they have gators and snakes down there), Southern France, and Southern Spain. Maybe a nice section of Brazil or the Dominican Republic.

I think your post is nice but I don’t foresee the world becoming less filled with hate and injustices. Though, through political processes and media influences a few categories of people will become more accepted and less persecuted here and there.

Well, I am not giving up on “Thy Kingdom Come”. When we promote forgiveness, we help create the Kingdom.

Thanks for the nice comments.

 

[livnlern]

Try googling “Muslim condemnation of Boston marathon bombings”.

This was one of the first things to pop up:
While attacking Obama for not speaking out against radical Islam, O’Reilly begrudgingly acknowledged that there are Muslim countries that are our allies, particularly those that utilize “secret police” to combat terrorism. He was disappointed, however, that more Muslims — including Muslim-Americans — aren’t doing their part to help combat radicalism. “Most Muslims on this Earth are good people, but they are not helping to neutralize the jihad,” he said. “They are not standing up against it in any numbers. And that includes American Muslims. They largely remain silent.”

thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/24/1911791/o039reilly-american-muslims/?mobile=nc

 

[OneSheep]

Wow, I’m really struggling with the whole kumbaya thing. The fact is, this was an evil, despicable act. There is no justification for treating another human being in the cruel, cowardly manner that the two brothers acted. Any religion, country, culture or organization that supports or promotes such actions is purely evil.

And, just so that we are clear, that includes the USA.

You have hit the crux of the problem of understanding. What were these two thinking? How is it that people can be blind to the humanity of others? How did they justify what they did? These are all questions to investigate and understand, helping us see their blindness and ignorance, which helps us in the forgiveness process.

For example, imagine the two doing the same investigation, but instead addressing the US. Why is the US doing military action in Muslim countries? How can we (the two) forgive the US for what they have done? If they had worked through this, and taken the steps to forgive, we would not have had the Boston bombings. They could have found other means of making their voices heard.

 

[OneSheep]

This was one of the first things to pop up:
While attacking Obama for not speaking out against radical Islam, O’Reilly begrudgingly acknowledged that there are Muslim countries that are our allies, particularly those that utilize “secret police” to combat terrorism. He was disappointed, however, that more Muslims — including Muslim-Americans — aren’t doing their part to help combat radicalism. “Most Muslims on this Earth are good people, but they are not helping to neutralize the jihad,” he said. “They are not standing up against it in any numbers. And that includes American Muslims. They largely remain silent.”

thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/24/1911791/o039reilly-american-muslims/?mobile=nc

All of us can do more. In the search you will see many Muslim organizations from the U.S. and all over condemning the bombings. Maybe they need more press.

 

[BroomWagon]

It seems O’Reilly may have overstated the percentage of Terrorist attacks related to followers of Islam but who knows how that kind of stat is made, through fatalities? Or police reports or what. There are other terrorist groups around unrelated to Islam.

 

[Holly3278]

All of us can do more. In the search you will see many Muslim organizations from the U.S. and all over condemning the bombings. Maybe they need more press.

I think they do need more press. I know I have read at least 10 articles on the subject of the Boston Marathon Bombing and I have yet to see a single article note these Muslim organizations condemnation of the terrorist attacks.

 

[BroomWagon]

CAIR condemned it, a leading Iranian clergy condemned it. I believe both may have condemned it before the alleged perpetrators were known. One could reason it was condemned as to minimize a possible backlash as well but nonetheless, was more or less immediately condemned.

 

[Ridgerunner]

You have hit the crux of the problem of understanding. What were these two thinking? How is it that people can be blind to the humanity of others? How did they justify what they did? These are all questions to investigate and understand, helping us see their blindness and ignorance, which helps us in the forgiveness process.

For example, imagine the two doing the same investigation, but instead addressing the US. Why is the US doing military action in Muslim countries? How can we (the two) forgive the US for what they have done? If they had worked through this, and taken the steps to forgive, we would not have had the Boston bombings. They could have found other means of making their voices heard.

Is it your thought here that nobody on earth is truly depraved; that no one has turned toward evil because he loves the power and radical freedom that being evil gives him? Is it always about some forgiveness they have not brought themselves to bestow?

If that is your position, then i think there are a lot of psychologists, law enforcement people, case workers and lawyers…people who see it a lot… who would mightily disagree with it.

 

[Robertanthony]

It is truly to be expected, but part of making sense of what appears to be a senseless act is knowing that these two children (I am referring to a spiritual maturity) were angry at the U.S. in general.

cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57581278/officials-u.s-wars-against-muslims-triggered-suspects/

As much as our Muslim friends encourage peace and “returning evil with good”, the human compulsion is for justice, and the two involved sought carrying out justice in their own way. Like all condemnation, the boys’ condemnation of America blocked their empathy toward its people. They were blind to the humanity of their victims.

I am energized to do something. Our secular society does not have the answers for this problem, but religions do. All major religions emphasize forgiveness, but all followers forget to forgive. If the boys were acting out of anger, which it sounds like they were, they had neglected to forgive.

This is not a Muslim problem but a human problem. We all need to join hands and work together to encourage forgiveness, for it is truly the path to peace. We owe it to the victims of the Boston bombing to forgive all of our enemies. And let us remember - it is our calling to do so.

We all get angry, judge, condemn, and hate compulsively, automatically. We are slaves to our nature. To forgive, we have to will to forgive!

Can you quote which sura in the Quran urges its faithful to forgive?

Someone asked why there is so much hatred for the US, the main “culprit” is good old envy. Nothing feeds hate as efficiently as envy IMHO.

The older brother had been disruptive at a local mosque on more than one occasion , interrupting the Imam during his sermon, calling for radicalism and disrespect for American symbols. He was threatened to be banned from the mosque if he did that again (he did not). I don’t like Siberia, I loathe the climate there, don’t particularly care for the language spoken nor for the way of life, I’m seriously considering moving there!

 

[oldcelt]

It is now being reported via AP that the mother was also on Russia’s list of potentially dangerous people.

 

[tabycat]

I’m not surprised, after all the mother is on camera stating that the US “took away my kids”.

She also said that somebody framed the two, killed the older one, and shot the younger one in the throut so he could not talk.

 

[SamH]

Well, I don’t think our government is unfair to Muslims. The question is, in what way were they blind? The problem was not in their lack of appreciation, specifically speaking. The problem was their blindness to the good of our society and people in general, a blindness caused by their anger and condemnation.
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I think you just described about half of the US.

 

[tabycat]

How is the US unfair to Muslims? They’re offered the same opportunities here as anyone else is. I haven’t seen anyone from the Muslim community condemning their actions.
Is it our fault they were unable to see past cultural differences? And why aren’t they expected to assimilate into our culture?

An uncle of theirs called the two young men and their father idoits.

 

[mindlight]

Try googling “Muslim condemnation of Boston marathon bombings”.

There are a few condemnations from American Muslim leaders and especially in Boston. BUT Muslims outside of the USA seem in more of a bind about this. I notice two interesting things about this:

1. China has Muslim terrorists too and is accusing the USA of hypocrisy here

indianexpress.com/news/china-urges-us-to-condemn-xinjiang-terrorism-after-boston-bombings/1107508/

1. A great many Irish Catholics in Boston used to give money to NORAID which directly supported IRA terrorism. Maybe thes people should be searching their consciences right now that they have had an experience of the death of innocents by terrorist violence. Note for instance this story about the IRA blowing up marathon runners

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Lisburn_van_bombing

 

[CatholicGeek1]

Can you quote which sura in the Quran urges its faithful to forgive?

Hold to forgiveness, command what is right, and turn away from the ignorant. (Qur’an, 7: 199)

They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Qur’an, 24:22)

The repayment of a bad action is one equivalent to it. But if someone pardons and puts things right, his reward is with Allah… (Qur’an, 42:40)

But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur’an, 64: 14)