Boston University Catholic chaplain forced out of his position after email to Catholics there suggesting that the killing of George Floyd was not an a

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I fail to see how someone with another opinion, and perhaps a point of clarity, is derailing a thread. I had many professors in college who said some pretty crazy stuff. Of course if anyone disagreed ever they were immediately chastised… so it works when one person thinks critically and yet it when others do it’s somehow bad? … that seems like an awfully arbitrary standard. I like to hear points of clarity when issues like this come up, often the truth is not always a binary POV.
 
“If a priest is not allowed to talk about the sins of individuals and of society in general, then, what’s the point? Why even have a gospel message?”

I think this might be the ultimate goal. I am not trying to derail the thread, I just think you hit the nail on the head with that point.

I can’t disagree with what the Chaplin wrote. He must have family or friends in law enforcement the way he wrote about them. It is very true thier job can ‘harden’ them in some ways.
 
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I think the cops went overboard, but I am not convinced it was a case of racism. And I am DEFINITELY convinced that the shooting of the guy in Atlanta was emphatically NOT racism. It would be nice if people stopped letting CNN and MSNBC think for them.
 
It was a campus community full of students and also non-students who were already upset.
In general, I wonder when it’s appropriate to be forthright and challenge the assumptions of the students and congregation. Waiting till they are not upset doesn’t seem to be what the college experience is supposed to be about.
 
I generally agree that people, especially on college campuses can get over sensitive, and challenging their perspective isn’t a bad thing. One criticism I think @Tis_Bearself had which was on point though is you have to be aware if the timing and audience. Right now is a tough time for everyone, maybe not the best time to challenge this assumption if it only fuels a fire.
 
You know, this whole issue is rather tricky to discuss for many people, seeing as how it is surrounded with so much heat and emotion, a lot of which is right and just. What those policemen did to Mr. Floyd was unjust and I am glad that President Trump has passed that executive order against chokeholds recently. I think that this is a step in the right direction to crack down on police violence. Having said this, it is hard for me to understand why people such as this chaplain at MIT are being forced out of their jobs. Nothing he said is false and he is not trying either to slander Mr. Floyd or to encourage violence or racism. He is perfectly right, in my opinion, to question the narrative that we are all told to accept, namely, that our current American system is intrinsically racist and descriminatory. Many good people raise concern about this narrative, seeing as how it divides people and creates hate and bigotry in our country rather than uniting as as Americans and God’s children. Furthermore, I do not think that Father is trying to slander Mr. Floyd or even to justify his unjust death in his email. On the contrary, he is rather pointing us all to the fact that Mr. Floyd is not a hero and someone to be looked up to, as some people have been making him out to be, and that, in fact, he was a criminal with a criminal record. He was high on fentanyl and trying to use a counterfeit bill on the day of his death, having been imprisoned nine previous times in his life. In one situation, he and several other men broke into a woman’s house and robbed her while Mr. Floyd held her at gunpoint. And so, while I am not wishing to further aggrieve the Floyd family (we should all pray for them and for Mr. Floyd’s soul) or to justify what the police officer did to him, I am wanting to stick to the facts and caution those people who are looking up to him as a hero and an outstanding representative of the African American community. This kind of thing is not good for people, especially those in minority and inner city communities, who are told that the entire system is against them and that we must do things like defund the police and other imprudent things in reaction to Mr. Floyd’s death. While we must respect the dead and speak out against injustice, we must all recognize the fact that George Floyd had an extensive criminal record and that he was committing criminal actions when his life was unjustly ended by the police officer (which of course doesn’t make the officer’s action right). And so, I just can’t understand why so many people are reacting irrationally to this incident and not with the Cardinal virtues in mind. If we want justice, we need to have a clear, prudent mind in order to seek peace and good policy and reform.
 
I think the cops went overboard, but I am not convinced it was a case of racism. And I am DEFINITELY convinced that the shooting of the guy in Atlanta was emphatically NOT racism. It would be nice if people stopped letting CNN and MSNBC think for them.
Please correct me if I misunderstand the gist of your comment here, namely, that your opinion as stated is the product of your own thought process while the those who hold the opposite opinion merely derived it from certain cable news outlets.
 
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I think the cops went overboard, but I am not convinced it was a case of racism. And I am DEFINITELY convinced that the shooting of the guy in Atlanta was emphatically NOT racism. It would be nice if people stopped letting CNN and MSNBC think for them.
It is plausible that it was the case of racism regarding George Floyd’s murder and it may be a case of individual racism. Only Chauvin would know for sure.

It’s kind of hard to see and experience racism if one is not the target so for that person, racism may be a rare occurrence. For those who experience it, it’s a fact of life and and may be distressingly common.

I have a hard time believing that the sin of racism has been expunged from souls everywhere. It’s alive and well, even in cops.
 
What is individual racism?

Are you saying the officer was a racist individual?

Or are you saying the officer was only racist against a single individual, George Floyd?
 
Individual racism is racism held by an individual. Yes, there are people who are racist. Racism is not a thing of the past.

I’m saying Chauvin may have been a racist. May, being the key word.

I also said I’m not sure but it is indeed possible. Remember those complaints against him? He has had exhibited violent behavior before against others not just against George Floyd.

Do you think it’s impossible that Chauvin is a racist?
 
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I don’t think it’s impossible.

I was confused by how you phrased your post.
 
There wasn’t even anything insensitive in that email unless part of it is taken out of context for a sound bite. Isn’t it wrong to take bits of his email out of context in order to make him look bad?

Our country has a problem that is much worse than police brutality.
 
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but I am not convinced it was a case of racism. And I am DEFINITELY convinced that the shooting of the guy in Atlanta was emphatically NOT racism. It would be nice if people stopped letting CNN and MSNBC think for them.
You have succinctly summarized the problem in the US (and the world). The problem is the definition of “racism.”

Most people would say “I’m not racist.” meaning that they have never intentionally discriminated against someone of a different ethnic group. They have never denied someone a job, paid them less, refused service in a restaurant, denied their children the right to attend the local school, etc. And they could be absolutely right. But this does NOT mean they are not racist. What it means it that they are not explicitly racist. A good thing, but not at all the end of the story.

But there is another type of racism, implicit racism. And in that sense, we are ALL racists. We prefer our own ethnic group (or even sub-group–proud to be English, but even prouder to be from Liverpool). This is natural and not evil in itself. And you can easily test your implicit racism: who would you want to move in next to you? Who would you want your daughter to marry? Who would you want your boss to be at work? And if you were a policeman, would you be equally likely to shoot a black man or a white man in the back? And if you pretend you wouldn’t care about any of these things, I invite you to take a well known implicit bias test: Take a Test There are many tests–on page two select the “race” test, and if you want to go further, the “skin tone” test.

Now if you deny you are implicitly racist (or use the word “biased” rather than “racist”) that is a huge problem. Because now you will use your “gut” or “intuition” to make decisions. But what you are really doing is allowing implicit racism to make those decisions. You have two equally qualified candidates for promotion: one black, one white. Your gut tells you to promote the white one. And, of course, vice versa: if you are black, your gut would tell you to promote the black one. And so on. And politically and economically it leads to what we see today: How many non-whites were in Eisenhower’s cabinet? How many major corporations have non-white CEOs or board members? This is implicit racism at work.

So if we all are implicit racists, what can we do? The first thing to do is acknowledge it. The second thing to do is make adjustments where necessary. You have two equal candidates for promotions, one white and one black? Find an objective way to choose one–an objective test of the main skill they would need on the job. Or simply flip a coin (they’re equally qualified, remember). Where possible eliminate any racial identity–for example, in reading resumes for a job, have an assistant make copies with the names removed and simply number them 1, 2, 3, etc. But whatever you do, you need to make a conscious effort.
 
These guys really need to learn how to read the room.
Or conversely, those who read the email should read the whole email, rather than stop at one phrase. I am not philosopher, nor am I a Cartesian logistician. I just read the email and was able to understand his message using basic reading comprehension skills that any college student should possess by virtue of the fact they graduated high school and demonstrated a proficiency in English on the SAT/ACTs. I think it is sort of lowering the bar here if we can’t ask people to at least do that. If a bishop needs to discipline a priest for saying that we all need to demonstrate mercy toward one another, we need to look at what is going on in the archdiocese.
 
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Looks like he’s a second career priest who was previously a conservative think tanker/writer (i.e. career in the few remaining places an academic can make provocative right leaning statements to an echo chamber and be rewarded for it). Basically, a very poor preparation for chaplain work at MIT.
You’re kidding right? What does that say about your seminary system?
 
“Many people have claimed that racism is a major problem in police forces. I don’t think we know that.”
the simple facts of the matter
WRT the actual FLOYD incident there has to be a brutally honest look at the chain of events that caused a police officer to kneel on an individuals neck

Ex-USA Police Officer: Racism Is NOT Rife In America - YouTube
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One criticism I think @Tis_Bearself had which was on point though is you have to be aware if the timing and audience. Right now is a tough time for everyone, maybe not the best time to challenge this assumption if it only fuels a fire.
I would argue that this is the best time to challenge assumptions. When people are taking actions (evil actions in some cases) on bad assumptions, they need to be challenged. I understand it is a tough time for everyone. But that is always the case. The law and gospel message is never convenient. But it is always necessary.
 
But this does NOT mean they are not racist. What it means it that they are not explicitly racist.
No, this is ridiculous. This is like saying, just because you don’t steal doesn’t mean you aren’t a thief. Well, actually, yes it does, it does mean I’m not a thief. In our system of jurisprudence, criminality is defined by conduct. Broadening out a definition to the extent that it no longer has any meaningful application does not solve racism.
It is plausible that it was the case of racism regarding George Floyd’s murder and it may be a case of individual racism. Only Chauvin would know for sure.
In this country, heck, in the Ten Commandments we don’t accuse people of a crime without evidence. Speculation isn’t proof. That’s called Bearing False Witness. If you can demonstrate evidence that this was a crime motivated by racism, show it. I will be happy to revise my position in light of actual evidence. If not, you don’t have the right to make the accusation.

Just a reminder for those who have forgotten:

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

What does this mean? --Answer.

We should fear and love God that we may not deceitfully belie, betray, slander, or defame our neighbor, but defend him, [think and] speak well of him, and put the best construction on everything.
 
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The main problem with the email (in my opinion, I emphasise), is that its purpose is to defend the police and talks about racism in the justice system. Not necessarily to spread a gospel message or anything like that. This reminds me of a homily I saw on YouTube of a priest who kept emphasising that people kill people, guns don’t. It was basically his take on a situation.

If you’re wondering why people are angry about George’s past being brought up (besides the fact that it didn’t matter), it’s because the black community has repeatedly talked about how a black man’s criminal past, mugshots etc are always brought up whenever he is killed, even though it wasn’t relevant to the killing. We immediately see this black man as a criminal and it does affect the level of empathy people have. George wasn’t portrayed this way at the start so for some people to start researching and bringing it up…let’s just say it hits a nerve.

From what I see, people aren’t just saying the cops are just racist, but that black men and women’s lives aren’t treated as valuable as their white counterparts in general. There is a whole history behind it that black academics have covered properly (eg black pregnancies etc). It’s more than ‘George was killed by a racist’, but also ‘George and many others are killed and people didn’t seem to care because there’s a pattern of black lives not being respected since slavery’.

In isolation I guess it’s easy for someone to argue that the cop wasn’t racist. But when you take a step back and see a nation’s history of people mistreating black lives,it’s not a stretch for people to make that conclusion after seeing a man killed a similar way and him not getting justice in a similar way.
 
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