Boy Scouts Expected to End Ban on Gay Leaders

[Brendan]

So all those Catholic priests who abused children did so because they were Catholic priests, did they? Or does the “no true Scotsmen” argument suddenly become valid there? .

No one here is denying that there were, in fact, Catholic priests.

But if the scout in question was post-pubescent, that ceases to be pedophilia, and becomes homosexuality by the common definition; that of post-pubescent sexual attraction to a member of the same sex.

 

[estesbob]

So all those Catholic priests who abused children did so because they were Catholic priests, did they? Or does the “no true Scotsmen” argument suddenly become valid there?

After all, they were indubitably Catholic, whereas I have seen no proof that this man was ‘homosexual’ in the usually accepted sense of the term.

The Church was lax in letting homosexuals into the priesthood They paid the price for doing so as will the Boy Scouts

 

[DrTaffy]

The Church was lax in letting homosexuals into the priesthood They paid the price for doing so as will the Boy Scouts

But the Church’s own Jay report, like so many others, showed that there was no link between homosexuality (attraction between adults) and child abuse. Instead there was a link between strong anti-gay beliefs and child abuse.

 

[estesbob]

But the Church’s own Jay report, like so many others, showed that there was no link between homosexuality (attraction between adults) and child abuse. Instead there was a link between strong anti-gay beliefs and child abuse.

Per the Jay report 88% of the abuse was homosexual rape of post pubescent males. .

 

[Brendan]

But the Church’s own Jay report, like so many others, showed that there was no link between homosexuality (attraction between adults) and child abuse. Instead there was a link between strong anti-gay beliefs and child abuse.

If homosexual is defined as attraction between adults, would you claim that homosexuality is thus impossible in High School aged persons?

If so, how do you address persons who claim to have ‘come out’ while in High School. Are they mistaken?

 

[estesbob]

If homosexual is defined as attraction between adults, would you claim that homosexuality is thus impossible in High School aged persons?

If so, how do you address persons who claim to have ‘come out’ while in High School. Are they mistaken?

Of course " no true homosexual " would have sex with a minor!

 

[DrTaffy]

Per the Jay report 88% of the abuse was homosexual rape of post pubescent males. .

But homosexual attraction to other adults was not a risk factor. Strong anti gay sentiments were.

If homosexual is defined as attraction between adults, would you claim that homosexuality is thus impossible in High School aged persons?

Analyse that sentence. Given that definition, what is the answer?

Do you deny that there is a difference between a consensual relationship between adults and an adult abusing a child? Or that many teenagers go through a gay stage? If these are so, is it not worth differentiating between adult-adult relationships and others?

If so, how do you address persons who claim to have ‘come out’ while in High School. Are they mistaken?

Why would they be mistaken? But teenage experimentation is often very different from a lifelong orientation.

And trying to blame such lifelong same sex orientation for paedophilia is not supported by the evidence and is a very nasty if not vicious claim.

Of course " no true homosexual " would have sex with a minor!

Nonsense. But they are no more likely to do so than you or I. And trying to demonise them like this is not just vile behaviour towards them but also increases the risk towards the children by spreading the misconception that child abusers are all weird homosexuals, rather than apparently normal family members or friends or (yes) priests.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Strong anti gay sentiments were.

Well, it’s certain folks in the gay “marriage” movement that was insisting “anti-gay” sentiments are the signs of a “person in the closet”…

 

[DrTaffy]

Well, it’s certain folks in the gay “marriage” movement that was insisting “anti-gay” sentiments are the signs of a “person in the closet”…

…and the Jay report did find a correlation between anti gay sentiments and child abuse in priests.

 

[estesbob]

Nonsense. But they are no more likely to do so than you or I. And trying to demonise them like this is not just vile behaviour towards them but also increases the risk towards the children by spreading the misconception that child abusers are all weird homosexuals, rather than apparently normal family members or friends or (yes) priests.

So a homosexual is no more likely to have sex with a teen age boy than a heterosexual??? That is utter nonsense. But let me guess-if they were “true” homosexuals they wouldn’t have sex with teenage boys, correct?

 

[estesbob]

…and the Jay report did find a correlation between anti gay sentiments and child abuse in priests.

So a man who is opposed to homosexuality is more likely to have sex with teen age boys than a man who supports homosexuality?

 

[Brendan]

Analyse that sentence. Given that definition, what is the answer?

Give your answer. Is there such a thing as a homosexual 17 year old? If a 17 year old claimed that he was homosexual, how would you correct him?

Do you deny that there is a difference between a consensual relationship between adults and an adult abusing a child? Or that many teenagers go through a gay stage? If these are so, is it not worth differentiating between adult-adult relationships and others?

We can examine sexual relationships and determine if there are common traits, can we not?

Why would they be mistaken? But teenage experimentation is often very different from a lifelong orientation.

So teenagers cannot have developed a lifelong orientation, and any sexual activity is simply experimentation? Is that your premise?

 

[estesbob]

Give your answer. Is there such a thing as a homosexual 17 year old?

We can examine sexual relationships and determine if there are common traits, can we not?

So teenagers cannot have developed a lifelong orientation, and any sexual activity is simply experimentation? Is that your premise?

I feel like Alice must’ve felt when she stepped through the Lookinglass .

 

[dcs]

Why do you consider this man a ‘homosexual’ rather than just a paedophile?

Because pedophiles are not attracted to adolescent boys.

 

[SuperLuigi]

So a man who is opposed to homosexuality is more likely to have sex with teen age boys than a man who supports homosexuality?

Well, pro-gay “marriage” folks have said that those who oppose so-called gay “marriage” are really repressed homosexuals, so by their logic, that would infer those children were abused by homosexual priests.

 

[SuperLuigi]

…and the Jay report did find a correlation between anti gay sentiments and child abuse in priests.

See #352

I’m wondering if the correlation between homosexuality and child abuse is along similar lines of polygamy and child abuse.

 

[pnewton]

The one thing I find compelling about the Catholic Church scandal and how it should be applied to other organizations that deal with minors is that the percentage of the child abuse that is homosexual in nature, as opposed to heterosexual, is not commensurate with the rate of the population that is homosexual, as opposed to heterosexual. If, in fact, abuse is as likely from homosexuals as heterosexuals, I would expect to only see about 2-4 % of the abuse victims of men to be boys.

Of course my final reason that I do not trust homosexuals around children as much as heterosexuals is theological, that is, the nature of the sin of lust. Lust (like greed) for either sex or power is never satisfied for long. If given into consistently, it seeks greater and more perverse avenues. In this, homosexual lust is a greater danger, being intrinsically disordered by its very nature. Heterosexuality can have holy and proper avenues. I know this may seem unfair, and maybe it is, but life is not fair and we all have our own areas of temptation. I would say one who is promiscuously heterosexual would present me with the same concern.