Boy Scouts - Gay acceptance

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Please. Assumptions without facts is just name-calling.

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Then tell me why the vast majority of guys are turned on by lesbian pornography, and why women in regular movies are always making out, the friends episode where Monica and Rachel French kissed so the guys would let them have their apartment back, and on and on. BUT, why don’t we see this kind of attention put on movies with gay men? Why don’t regular movies just show guys making out in an effort to be “sexy” and why don’t regular shows on tv have guys kissing? Because of the “ick” factor. Because straight men would not stand for it. Because there is a double standard when it comes to gay men vs gay women. Because men find it “gross”. Because most men have zero problem with 2 women getting it on, but throw up in their mouths when they think about 2 guys doing it. Hypocrisy.

You know this.
 
So explain the desire of the Human Rights Campaign to include homosexual adults as mentors in the Boy Scouts. As I wrote earlier, in order to start a fight, people are called bigoted, ignorant and homophobic - a word that means nothing. How do you start a conversation with a straight that you know voted against gay marriage? How would that go?

Peace,
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When they say “mentors”, you read “sex mentors”. That sounds like your problem, not theirs.
 
Grow up? What’s the point of gay marriage? Not having sex? A gay man is going to walk up to a straight, have one beer too many, and start complaining about his marital problems in the bedroom? Do you think straight guys care about that - at all? There would be no conversation. Whereas a straight man could go to his straight friend to get a little advice about his marital problems.

“Dad? Why can guys marry guys?”

“I don’t know son.”

“They can’t have babies, right?”

“That’s right.”

“My friend Billy has two dads who are married but they adopted him. I don’t get it.”

“When you’re older son, I’ll explain it to you. Right now, just enjoy being a boy.”

Gay Adult mentor to openly gay boy scout.

“I hear you have a boyfriend.”

“Yeah. His name is Mark. We want to get married when we get older.”

“I think me and my husband would encourage you to do that.”

Peace,
Ed
Speculative trash.
 
Then tell me why the vast majority of guys are turned on by lesbian pornography, and why women in regular movies are always making out, the friends episode where Monica and Rachel French kissed so the guys would let them have their apartment back, and on and on. BUT, why don’t we see this kind of attention put on movies with gay men? Why don’t regular movies just show guys making out in an effort to be “sexy” and why don’t regular shows on tv have guys kissing? Because of the “ick” factor. Because straight men would not stand for it. Because there is a double standard when it comes to gay men vs gay women. Because men find it “gross”. Because most men have zero problem with 2 women getting it on, but throw up in their mouths when they think about 2 guys doing it. Hypocrisy.

You know this.
I know this how? Unless you have actual powers to read the minds of others, you’re just being emotional.

Or you’ve read too many comic books 🙂

Ed
 
I know this how? Unless you have actual powers to read the minds of others, you’re just being emotional.

Or you’ve read too many comic books 🙂

Ed
An overwhelming amount of heterosexual pornography includes lesbians but definitely does not include male homosexual encounters. I’m not saying pornography should act as a standard, but it’s probably an excellent indicator of the double standard spoken of here.
 
It’s possible the scouts might be outdated, but not because of the little symbols of achievement, I don’t think. Kids are actually very big on those. Those in wrestling wear those safety pins and their medals on their jackets. What high school freshman doesn’t proudly wear that football letter if he manages against all odds to get in enough varsity game time? Swimmers wear little symbols of even their victories in heats. Basketballers in grade school wear shirts showing their victories. Kids who advance in JROTC wear their uniforms, rank and decorations proudly. I know. I have grandchildren who do all of those things. Kids aren’t at all symbol-averse, though perhaps those things in which they take pride have changed over the years.

Personally, I did not, and would not, knowingly expose a child of mine to a morally dysfunctional family or group. My adult children to not allow their children to even watch television except carefully chosen shows on their own “Family movie night”. They do (as I did) encourage reading that may well deal with human evils, but do so in a way that imparts correct moral values and/or that informs. A lot of that exists.

That’s not to say none of them were or will be exposed to corruption. They will be, and, by living in this morally adrift society, are. But I am not obliged, by my actions, to condone it or seem to condone it. Rather, I am morally obliged to speak against it and act accordingly. Certainly, if I keep a marijuana “stash”, my words to them in condemning its use will seem hollow and unpersuasive. Therefore, I have a moral obligation not to keep a “stash”, or to use it at all. I have a moral obligation never to have pornography in my possession or presence. What was it that Jesus said about all of this? "
“But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.”

Serious words, those. Foolish and un-modern as I may be, I actually think it’s possible to live in accordance with them.

But we’re encouraged by this increasingly pagan society to think of sexual perversion the way most pagan societies have thought of it; “something to be open and accepted even if I don’t indulge in it myself”. But when the “authorities” in a society openly condone and encourage scandal among “these little ones”, one really does have to draw the line against their message.

This whole business of “gay acceptance” is a marvel to me. We would not condone children overtly expressing sexual proclivities of other sorts, and we largely do not. We do not condone overt expression of other moral failings, and do not, by our acceptance, passively approve of them. And yet, when it comes to homosexuality, we are somehow expected to accept expression of that gravely disordered condition among children and see nothing wrong in it.

Those who promote its acceptance as “normal” are fools. We who agree with them to the extent of exposing our children to it are the greater fools.
I agree that kids like the scouts, but they realize pretty quickly that the uniforms and such are pretty lame. Why not have them wear military-style uniforms with military-style decorations instead of sashes, neckerchiefs and tassels?

I mean, when I see he uniform and then you hear that they wouldn’t allow gays, I’m thinking, “Why doesn’t Madonna just ban gay backup dancers, or the village people ban gay members, or the Ancient Greek wrestling team ban gay athletes?”

I agree that parents need to protect their kids. But as I said, it would be much more dangerous to his faith if a child had a friend who didn’t believe in God than for him to have a gay friend. Much more. And yet, I don’t see anybody on here flipping out about not allowing their kids into a group that allows atheist members or Jewish members or Protestant members.

Straight guys have a natural aversion to anything that is “gay”, especially in adolescence (at least, unless it involves lesbians, then they are all over it). They are not likely to be swayed away from the faith by a gay scoutmaster.

But that friend who invites him to a baptist Bible study on Wednesday night, or who has his own laptop? These are things that will so much more easily cause them to leave the faith and nobody is suggesting that these kids be disallowed from participating in a club or socializing with their children.

People on this board demonize practicing homosexuals to a ridiculous extent. It’s just one sin off MANY, and one of the LEAST common ones at that, yet it occupies a disproportionate amount of time and energy on here.

It’s easy to feel self-righteous about a sin that gives 97% of people ZERO temptation.
 
An overwhelming amount of heterosexual pornography includes lesbians but definitely does not include male homosexual encounters. I’m not saying pornography should act as a standard, but it’s probably an excellent indicator of the double standard spoken of here.
And you have the documents from the review board of the national pornography industry to back this up?

Ed
 
Speculative trash.
Nope. Guaranteed. Accept this, then accept that. That’s been the consistent pattern for years now. Marriage Equality will not be encouraging openly gay teen boys to get married? Illogical.

Ed
 
I know this how? Unless you have actual powers to read the minds of others, you’re just being emotional.

Or you’ve read too many comic books 🙂

Ed
It’s not true then? Guys aren’t into lesbian porn? Oh, so the MASSIVE lesbian porn industry is all for that HUGE population of gay women out there. Are you a guy? Have you ever spoken to one? I gotta tell ya, I know a LOT of guys and every single one thinks girl on girl action is HOT. even the ones who don’t watch it for moral reasons admit that.

You’re being intentionally obtuse.
 
Nope. Guaranteed. Accept this, then accept that. That’s been the consistent pattern for years now. Marriage Equality will not be encouraging openly gay teen boys to get married? Illogical.

Ed
Now who is being emotional and ridiculous?
 
It’s not true then? Guys aren’t into lesbian porn? Oh, so the MASSIVE lesbian porn industry is all for that HUGE population of gay women out there. Are you a guy? Have you ever spoken to one? I gotta tell ya, I know a LOT of guys and every single one thinks girl on girl action is HOT. even the ones who don’t watch it for moral reasons admit that.

You’re being intentionally obtuse.
No I’m not. Now that another poster has provided evidence - that’s a different story. You’re being emotional again. I know a lot of guys that - fill in the blank - means nothing. A well-crafted research study carries weight. When I do research at work, my boss needs to see a number of cross-references to draw a conclusion. That’s part of what I do at work: collect data from multiple sources, analyze that data, hand it off and provide a summary.

Ed
 
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