Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

[KendraDZ1902]

No more; no more donations, no more support, and any future children I have will not be joining. I will not expose them to open homosexuality and whatever devastating fallout will come from this disgusting resolution.

So no more football, baseball, honors society? No more Student Government Association, no more softball, cheerleading, music lessons, uhhh basically no more extacurricular activities for your children?

All of that just because a child could have a disorder?

 

[rlg94086]

I’ve actually been taking you at your word, Robert, when you sign with “pax.” I’ve not taken offense.

Then, why the list?

 

[pnewton]

Equating homosexuallity to pedophillia, conspiracy theories about a gay plot to ruin morals, regarding NARTH as anything but entirely refutable…is this Rapture Ready or CAF?

Homosexuality is closer to pedophilia than it is to heterosexuality. All three are different, but the first two are unnatural deviations of the last. The first two when acted on is always objective mortal sin. The first two destroy societies.

 

[pnewton]

This is not an apologetics forum. The right of the Catholic Church to teach is best defended elsewhere. I do not expect those that do not accept the teaching authority of the Church to think the same way. An error in the beginning is an error indeed. In other words, if you diverge at the first point of accepting that there is a God, a divine moral law and the Church is led by the Holy Spirit to teach the divine law of God, then of course you may diverge about the moral nature of any sin.

 

[gracepoole]

Then, why the list?

I pointed out common responses I receive from folks who share your views. I’m not offended by them.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Notice this article was published back in 1989, so it’s baffling that this is still an issue.

There’s no record or evidence that such a convention ever took place, no record of what organizations were allegedly involved, no record of such a document outside of the rare random post on conservative websites, and when challenged no verifying source is ever procured. Its absolutely amazing that this nonsense has persisted for decades isn’t it?

 

[Joe_5859]

I’m having a really tough time with this one. Many Catholics I know and respect greatly are treating this decision as though it is the worst thing that could have possibly happened. I want to be on their side. I really do.

But I just don’t see this as being a scenario that requires all Catholics to disavow from Scouting. Our Catholic faith asks us to avoid any unjust discrimination towards those with a homosexual inclination. I want to take that seriously. I don’t want to ostracize them as “other”. But I also don’t want to see Catholic moral teaching trampled under foot.

I think the worst thing we can do is pull the plug on our ties with scouting. Then who will be left in the organization to fight for our values? In reading the change in policy, it seems to me quite easy to interpret it in accordance with our beliefs. I don’t think we need to accept the behavior or whitewash sexual morality. We can still insist on staying true to Catholic values. But we can still accept those who have the inclination at the same time. Isn’t that what our faith demands? If a chaste homosexual can receive Jesus in the Eucharist, why can he not be a Boy Scout?

 

[Sonic]

Well, explain to me how exactly this is just discrimination.

It’'s the difference between False Compassion and True Compassion:

Part 1

youtube.com/watch?v=jXQP3UJnagM

Part 2

youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7pKqfhWeo

Part 3

youtube.com/watch?v=z6O7MVrtHq0

 

[gracepoole]

There’s no record or evidence that such a convention ever took place, no record of what organizations were allegedly involved, no record of such a document outside of the rare random post on conservative websites, and when challenged no verifying source is ever procured. Its absolutely amazing that this nonsense has persisted for decades isn’t it?

Indeed. Amazing and frightening.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

There’s no record or evidence that such a convention ever took place, no record of what organizations were allegedly involved, no record of such a document outside of the rare random post on conservative websites, and when challenged no verifying source is ever procured. Its absolutely amazing that this nonsense has persisted for decades isn’t it?

I know, right.

The way I see it quoting such and offensive piece of total misinformation only hurts a homophobes case. If you can’t support your opinion without resorting to long-debunked lies created for the sole purpose of propegating…

 

[rlg94086]

I pointed out common responses I receive from folks who share your views. I’m not offended by them.

What was the point of sharing the responses, then? You aren’t making sense.

 

[gracepoole]

What was the point of sharing the responses, then? You aren’t making sense.

As there’s no content in our conversation, I’m good with ending it if you are.

 

[rlg94086]

As there’s no content in our conversation, I’m good with ending it if you are.

Perfect! I have hockey to watch.

 

[Robert_Bay]

MODERATOR NOTICE

This thread is wondering. Please stay with the decision by the Boy Scouts and not delve into conspiracy theories

Thank you

 

[wynnejj]

I’m having a really tough time with this one. Many Catholics I know and respect greatly are treating this decision as though it is the worst thing that could have possibly happened. I want to be on their side. I really do.

But I just don’t see this as being a scenario that requires all Catholics to disavow from Scouting. Our Catholic faith asks us to avoid any unjust discrimination towards those with a homosexual inclination. I want to take that seriously. I don’t want to ostracize them as “other”. But I also don’t want to see Catholic moral teaching trampled under foot.

I think the worst thing we can do is pull the plug on our ties with scouting. Then who will be left in the organization to fight for our values? In reading the change in policy, it seems to me quite easy to interpret it in accordance with our beliefs. I don’t think we need to accept the behavior or whitewash sexual morality. We can still insist on staying true to Catholic values. But we can still accept those who have the inclination at the same time. Isn’t that what our faith demands? If a chaste homosexual can receive Jesus in the Eucharist, why can he not be a Boy Scout?

I agree. I am disappointed with the decision, but there is nothing that is spelled out in the proposal that should be a reason to abandon scouting today. It is more what is not spelled out and will have to be deliberated that may be the end of the scouting relationship with Catholic teaching. If one ascribes no further agenda to the proposal than what is actually stated, there is indeed nothing that would be against Catholic teaching and much that would be supported. But there are complications. If individuals promote gay values within a Catholic troop, and BSA National disallows scoutmasters from taking action, there will be a conflict with a Catholic teaching. But we haven’t hit that bridge yet.

 

[zab]

The Resolution did not say “openly gay” youth will be allowed to join the Boy Scouts. There is a big difference between one who has a same sex attraction and one who is “open” to the practice of homosexuality. Here is what the resolution did say:

*“Today, following this review, the most comprehensive listening exercise in Scouting’s history the approximate 1,400 voting members of the Boy Scouts of America’s National Council approved a resolution to remove the restriction denying membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation alone. The resolution also reinforces that Scouting is a youth program, and any sexual conduct, whether heterosexual or homosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting. A change to the current membership policy for adult leaders was not under consideration; thus, the policy for adults remains in place.” *

 

[7armyrugrats]

Amen. It is homophobia on the part of Christian groups, many of which speak against homophobia ironically.

Hey Catholics, when will you realize that homosexuality is normal and found in approximately 400 animal species, including humans? When will you realize that it cannot be cured, because it is not a disease, because it is normal?

This does not help get rid of homophobia. It is untruthful that animals are in any way like humans when it comes to ability to reason and ability to control ones desires. But I also want to note that I have had many species of animals in my lifetime, and the only occurrences of homosexual activity I have ever noticed was when one was showing dominance to the other. So if you do want to compare homosexuality to nature, it is really homosexual rape that is “normal” by your reasoning.

That being said, I do believe that we should embrace all these young men and show them how to become proper young gentlemen. I don’t care if a child is gay or straight, I care what he or she does. One’s sexual orientation does not define one’s behavior. I have no problem at all allowing my sons and daughters to have gay friends. I do not sugar coat the moral issues but I also do not treat someone differently based on which sins they commit. And from what I have read and been told, SSA is NOT a sin. Sex before marriage is ALWAYS a sin. Marriage is ONLY between one man and one woman. But anyone who lives together before marriage is living in sin, not just gay couples.

There is too much hate on both sides and not enough honesty and love from either. Neither side is doing itself justice by spewing half truths and anger. Homosexual relations are mortal sins. So are all cases of fornication. So is using contraception. So is stealing, lying, receiving communion unworthily, skipping Mass to watch sports or to go shopping, the list goes on and on and on…

 

[_Abyssinia]

Ban on homosexual adults joining remains unchanged so this will not go far enough for a lot of people advocating change in the boy scouts.

 

[john78]

The decision is going to bite the Boy Scouts in the rear sooner or later, because what is going to happen down the road are a gauntlet of scenerios, billy is going to develop feelings for tom, tom is going pop billy in the nose, and then billy is going to run home screaming bloody murder and then billys’ family is going to sue the snot out of that particual scout group for a lot of money. OR said parent(s) of a SSA boy in the boy scouts will take offense of God being in the creed / motto or what ever it is called of the Boy Scouts and thus demand that it be removed as it is offensive.

Being politically correct and or caving into what ever financial gain they will get in the short run, in the long run will eventually come to haunt them for their decision in one manner or another.

That being said, what could probably happen, for those parents who do not support the Scouts decision, they can simply start their own scout group and set up their own morals and standards based on what the original scouts use to stand for. Or just gather with families with in the faith an start their own program with the same concept of teaching set skills / values during the summer time.

it really isn’t that hard and the Boy Scouts does not have a monopoly on what they do. Would have been eaiser if the homosexual community would of just started their own said group instead of demanding everyone be progressive but whatever.

Should not come as a surprise as the military also succumbed to having be progressive or pollitically correct an thus face a law suit that demands women be allowed into west point.

why because evidently if women are not allowed in it must be sexist, yet if a man wants to join a womens gym, it is not sexist. Evidently it would have been far to hard for women in the military to of formed their own prestigious military university, and too hard for homosexuals to teach skills an morals in their own ways in the form of scouting.

rant over.

 

[Midwest88]

I’m missing a couple of things here: Where in this decision does it say that homosexual ACTIVITY will be permitted / condoned? How many 12 or 13 year old boys even have a fixed sense of their sexuality to declare? And since troops are typically tied to a specific territory, town, etc., aren’t these “gay youths” who present such a danger already in the same schools - to say nothing of sports teams and gym classes - with the other boys?

When I was around that age I knew I liked girls - for a fact. If you tried to entertain the idea of me “liking” a boy I would’ve thought you were deranged. No boys really talked about sexual activities - the closest thing was what girl liked what boy. In that, if the girl was single our hopes of getting a slow dance at the upcoming “sock hop” was not killed and we didn’t go home with a pout. In my time as a Scout no one had their “gaydar” on; if any boy got into a quarrel with another boy it was because of severe irritation. The only person that turned out to be gay was a flamboyant boy which no troop leader had a problem with.