Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

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HappyCatholic01 said:
Do you honestly think the Scouts (who are obviously already too cowardly to stand up to being bullied) are going to allow Christina or Catholic scouts to minsiter to gay scouts in an attempt to teach them the truth about homosexuality? Seriously, you think that’s going to be tolerated?

And even if it was, I’d rather my boys being learning about how a granny knot itsn’t a knot, not paying to have them fight spiritual battles.

The bizarro world some people create when they justify mistakes like this decision is amazing.
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Get with the program.

Truth = hate

Love = accepting sin

Politics = compassion
 
HappyCatholic01 said:
Do you honestly think the Scouts (who are obviously already too cowardly to stand up to being bullied) are going to allow Christina or Catholic scouts to minsiter to gay scouts in an attempt to teach them the truth about homosexuality? Seriously, you think that’s going to be tolerated?

And even if it was, I’d rather my boys being learning about how a granny knot itsn’t a knot, not paying to have them fight spiritual battles.

The bizarro world some people create when they justify mistakes like this decision is amazing.
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Do you have any understanding of how Scouting works? It is decentralized so the charter organization has more influence over the individual troop than the National Council does.

I don’t think issues of sexuality will come up, but it is better having them in Scouts which will likely be charted to a religious organization than outside of it. I know that meeting the priests at the Catholic parish where my troop was chartered played a major role in my conversion to Catholicism, even though the troop itself had no opportunity for catechisis.
 
OrangeOwl said:
Er… cliffnotes version? Videos are quite long. Which segments do you think specifically apply to this situation?

I’m guessing that the thrust of your argument is that accepting gays into the BSA is an implicit, or even explicit, acceptance into their lifestyle?
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If teaching them acting on it is hands off then yes. And it will be, and there goes religious freedom.
 
xixxvmcm85 said:
In that case, I can’t see what all the hubbub is about.

The BSA hasn’t suddenly morphed into a hypersexualized organization simply because they’re letting gay scouts in. And I mean just that! They’re letting gay scouts into the organization. They aren’t providing them with a soapbox to propagate the gay agenda.

I don’t know how many people participating in this thread have actually been scouts, but I have, and I’ve witnessed three fine scouts in my own troop dismissed simply because they were gay. Not because they were having sex with men (all three to my knowledge were virgins, as were most of us 14 year old boys), not because they were trying to recruit us straight scouts (believe me, with all the inappropriate conversations we’d have about girls that would’ve been impossible), and not because they were in any way trying to undermine the Scout Oath. These boys were excused from their membership for no other reason than their same-sex attraction became known to other scouts and/or troop leaders. This is the very definition of systematic discrimination. Many of you seem to not understand. It’s not that the old policy forbade “active” homosexuals, or “advocates of the gay lifestyle”, rather any and all boys who in any way admit that they are attracted to other boys were summarily dismissed.

I can’t help but think how the loss of fraternal camaraderie that these fine boys experienced may have further facilitated other questionable lifestyle choices later on. We wan’t same-sex attracted boys to forgo that urge and live a life reconcilable with Christian virtue? Then we need to stop alienating them and stop giving them no other choice than to label themselves as “other”.
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How do you know that? When a ‘married’ gay couple is the fathers of a scout, the boy won’t be talking about life at home? Even if he thinks that his home life doesn’t matter one way or another?

Peace,
Ed
 
meltzerboy said:
So a gay boy likely has an ideological agenda if he wants to become a boy scout? While there may be a case or two of this, it sounds rather far-fetched and conspiratorial to me. More important, it is prejudging the intent of an individual based on relatively little, if any, evidence, solely on the basis of his sexual orientation.
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That is exactly how the gay agenda has gotten so far. Infiltrate and then press.
 
armyross said:
I am glad to hear the change.
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FPN President Joe Glover issued the following response to the announcement that the Boy Scouts of America will permit open homosexuality among troop members:
Glover said:
“The Boy Scouts of America should drop the phrase ‘to God’ and ‘morally straight’ from their oath, since they’ve decided to reject His standards of morality. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin against God, and yet the Boy Scouts of America has decided to allow it.”
Glover said Christian parents should immediately remove their sons from the Boy Scouts of America due to the change in policy. He said:

“Parents should only place their children in the care of people who readily accept God’s definition of what it means to be ‘morally straight.’ Unfortunately, the leaders of the Boy Scouts of America have chosen a form of moral character that arrogantly rejects God’s written Word.”
 
edwest2 said:
How do you know that? When a ‘married’ gay couple is the fathers of a scout, the boy won’t be talking about life at home? Even if he thinks that his home life doesn’t matter one way or another?

Peace,
Ed
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I don’t know that many teens who want to talk about their parents or home life while on a camping trip. In my entirety of my time with the scouts I learned that one of the mothers was a professor at the local university and another a librarian. Of the non-scoutmaster parents that is honestly all I knew.
 
usccb.org/about/doctrine/publications/upload/ministry-to-persons-of-homosexual-iInclination.pdf Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination:
Guidelines for Pastoral Care
Pg. 13“Departure from the Church’s teaching, or silence about it, in an effort to provide pastoral care is neither caring nor pastoral.
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Pg. 17For some persons, revealing their homosexual tendencies to certain close friends, family members, a spiritual director, confessor, or members of a Church support group may provide some spiritual and emotional help and aid them in their growth in the Christian life. In the context of parish life, however, general public self- disclosures are not helpful and should not be encouraged.
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Pg.22 Pastoral and psychological care for adolescents who struggle with sexual attraction issues is of particular importance. Adolescents with homosexual attractions can be at serious risk for personal difficulties, including suicidal tendencies and attempts as well as enticements to promiscuity and exploitation by adults. Every effort should be made to ensure that adolescents have access to age-appropriate professional counseling services that respect Church teaching in matters of human sexuality.
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mwic said:
The change in BSA policy was decided by a vote of the BSA National Council. Was anyone “forced” to do anything?
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"The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force applauded Spielberg for his resignation.

“We’d like to thank Steven Spielberg for recognizing the bigotry that the Boy Scouts’ policy has been perpetuating,” said Elizabeth Toledo, the NGLTF executive director. “This issue won’t go away for the Boy Scouts. Through actions like these, they will be forced to revisit [their policies].”

“they will be forced”

Peace,
Ed
 
fix said:
Not only that but it is now de rigueur that young boys can self identify as
“gay” as if this is true and unchangeable. That this absurd notion is seen as scientific and emotionally good is beyond troubling. This is proof the “gay” agenda has won.
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Have hope. Do not be troubled. Cling to the truth.

Peace,
Ed
 
StJudeprayforme said:
Kids these days are becoming increasingly more tolerant and less homophobic. Kids of twelve won’t know enough to care, and the sixteen year olds who are already in the scouts when they come out will have already established relationships with their peers in the troop. This will be a non-issue, and is a great step forward in the Church’s call to end unjust discrimination against those with homosexual tendencies.
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homophobic is a fake word. Not caring about the gay agenda is ignoring an important issue.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Have hope. Do not be troubled. Cling to the truth.

Peace,
Ed
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Oh I have hope and bind myself to Truth. I just like to point out to the liberals that the Church does not promote “coming out” and self identification as “gay” particularly to youths.
 
edwest2 said:
With all due respect, Joe, who are you talking to? We - meaning no one here - is in charge of making any major decision about this. We will not be involved in any meetings at the national level or the Church level. Why can’t individual people decide to end their involvement with the scouts?

Have you been a scout or read a scouting manual? I have one from the 1950s. I think the thing you are missing Joe is the increasing media outing of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. Why do we need to know? I sure don’t. I don’t care if half my neighbors are LGBT. What is clear is the indoctrination of little kids, young adults and older adults is accelerating. Ask yourself why that is.

I guarantee you. No one is going to ask me about this in any official way.

Peace,
Ed
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Certainly, a parent can make whatever decision they want. Perhaps I shouldn’t have bolded the word “strongly”.

But just because most people here will have no official (name removed by moderator)ut doesn’t mean that it’s not a good idea to pause and reflect before making a decision. I think when we make decisions in a reactive way, it weakens our ability to address the issues at stake. Why pull our children out immediately, when we can take the time to hear from our bishops and those who are involved on a diocesan and national level? There’s no harm in waiting, but I see a potential for much harm in acting without thinking it through.

And even if no one here at CAF is on any Councils or Committees, that doesn’t mean they have no (name removed by moderator)ut. Any parent can contact their troop leadership or diocesan committee.
 
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