Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

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gracepoole said:
It’s actually not new. There are many Catholics who have previously written about loyal dissent. Of course, do recognize that you’ve placed those who disagree in an impossible position by immediately labeling them as “tools of the evil one.” That seems like a really convenient dodge. It also sounds really Protestant.
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:rotfl: Kettle meet pot

Protestantism is all about picking and choosing what you personally believe. Loyal dissent sounds really Protestant.
 
Most organizations allow gay people. But schools, youth sports teams, clubs, churches, etc are all managing just fine.
 
For those who are talking about pulling out of Scouts, I would strongly encourage you not to make too swift of a decision. The NCCS statement says:

Since the change in policy will not take effect until January 1, 2014, the National Catholic Committee on Scouting has adequate time to study its effects. The NCCS will determine how it may impact Catholic chartered Scout units and activities. In doing so, we will work within the teachings of our Catholic Faith and with the various local bishops and their diocesan scouting committees.

We have time to sort through the ramifications. Let’s not be reactive and make decisions we cannot take back simply because our emotions are running high. NCCS will be looking at this. And they will do so in a careful and measured way and in consultation with our bishops. No Catholic chartered troop is being asked to violate Catholic teaching at this moment. So let’s keep our heads and make our decisions from a place of knowledge and careful reflection rather than reaction and emotion.

Scouting has played a phenomenal role in Catholic youth ministry for over 100 years. Half a million Catholic boys and men are involved. Let’s not pull the plug in the heat of the moment.

Perhaps the time will come when such a decision is necessary. But so much is on the line for so many of our young people. We owe it to them to consider things carefully.
 
It is odd that some posters even oppose their own church authority since the Roman Catholic and Mormon church hierarchy urged the Boy Scouts to include gay youngsters.
 
hadulzo said:
I have been watching this discussion and EVERYONE is failing to touch on the key point. The Boy Scouts is a unique organization. Though adults are called leaders, they are really only there in an advisory capacity and to drive the van. The boys are the leaders. As parents how to you feel having a17 year old openly gay boy being your 10 1/2 year old son’s roll model and leader. That is what it comes down to.
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True, if this issue were about common sense and good moral logic. But it is about a herd mentality, false compassion, and relativism. Suddenly we have some big need to mention open homosexuals in a Boy Scout policy because why exactly? Because there is a tidal wave of problems with homosexual youths in Scouting that need all this attention?
 
Dawnia said:
You make homosexuals sound like a disease. :eek:
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When I run around town in a raincoat, I remember when I was exposed to gay people when I was just a kid. :eek:

Don’t mind me. I’ve been channeling the homophobic responses that see an end to scouting as we know it in jest. I don’t subscribe to it. There will still be much natural reluctance by many to openly discuss their trial. And those who self-ID will be watched more closely, as they should. I don’t believe that it will be in the best interest of the individual to self-ID, so I’m sure that Catholic scoutmasters will caution them properly in advance about the inadvisability to self-ID.

However, I can say that I do have what I consider a properly Catholic homophobic concern. That is, I am against changing our culture such that gay lifestyles are considered respectable and beneficial. Homophobia in terms of concern for the social affect of general acceptance in society is right and just.
 
Joe_5859 said:
For those who are talking about pulling out of Scouts, I would strongly encourage you not to make too swift of a decision. The NCCS statement says:

Since the change in policy will not take effect until January 1, 2014, the National Catholic Committee on Scouting has adequate time to study its effects. The NCCS will determine how it may impact Catholic chartered Scout units and activities. In doing so, we will work within the teachings of our Catholic Faith and with the various local bishops and their diocesan scouting committees.

We have time to sort through the ramifications. Let’s not be reactive and make decisions we cannot take back simply because our emotions are running high. NCCS will be looking at this. And they will do so in a careful and measured way and in consultation with our bishops. No Catholic chartered troop is being asked to violate Catholic teaching at this moment. So let’s keep our heads and make our decisions from a place of knowledge and careful reflection rather than reaction and emotion.

Scouting has played a phenomenal role in Catholic youth ministry for over 100 years. Half a million Catholic boys and men are involved. Let’s not pull the plug in the heat of the moment.

Perhaps the time will come when such a decision is necessary. But so much is on the line for so many of our young people. We owe it to them to consider things carefully.
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With all due respect, Joe, who are you talking to? We - meaning no one here - is in charge of making any major decision about this. We will not be involved in any meetings at the national level or the Church level. Why can’t individual people decide to end their involvement with the scouts?

Have you been a scout or read a scouting manual? I have one from the 1950s. I think the thing you are missing Joe is the increasing media outing of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. Why do we need to know? I sure don’t. I don’t care if half my neighbors are LGBT. What is clear is the indoctrination of little kids, young adults and older adults is accelerating. Ask yourself why that is.

I guarantee you. No one is going to ask me about this in any official way.

Peace,
Ed
 
meltzerboy said:
I didn’t have to read others’ minds. I was able to draw these conclusions by reading others’ posts, such as yours (#215), which speaks of normalizing the attraction and activity.

I would also add that the only fear that seems to me reasonable is that of the gay boy scout, who, if other boys even suspect he is gay, may be subject to verbal or physical abuse. Why assume the gay boy is the aggressor?
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Again, how do you know that anyone will assume a gay scout is or will be an aggressor?

Peace,
Ed
 
EvangelCatholic said:
It is odd that some posters even oppose their own church authority since the Roman Catholic and Mormon church hierarchy urged the Boy Scouts to include gay youngsters.
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the mormons have no say in the Catholic Church,so why even mention,and where did the C.C. condone this.
 
Joe_5859 said:
For those who are talking about pulling out of Scouts, I would strongly encourage you not to make too swift of a decision. The NCCS statement says:

Since the change in policy will not take effect until January 1, 2014, the National Catholic Committee on Scouting has adequate time to study its effects. The NCCS will determine how it may impact Catholic chartered Scout units and activities. In doing so, we will work within the teachings of our Catholic Faith and with the various local bishops and their diocesan scouting committees.

We have time to sort through the ramifications. Let’s not be reactive and make decisions we cannot take back simply because our emotions are running high. NCCS will be looking at this. And they will do so in a careful and measured way and in consultation with our bishops. No Catholic chartered troop is being asked to violate Catholic teaching at this moment. So let’s keep our heads and make our decisions from a place of knowledge and careful reflection rather than reaction and emotion.

Scouting has played a phenomenal role in Catholic youth ministry for over 100 years. Half a million Catholic boys and men are involved. Let’s not pull the plug in the heat of the moment.

Perhaps the time will come when such a decision is necessary. But so much is on the line for so many of our young people. We owe it to them to consider things carefully.
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I hope the Church takes a strong stand against this propaganda move. Call it what it is.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
Most organizations allow gay people. But schools, youth sports teams, clubs, churches, etc are all managing just fine.
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Whether or not they do fine is neither here nor there. They were doing fine prior to allowing homosexual youths to participate, if you want to go that route, and yet, they were told they needed to change. For the same reasons “why do you need so many guns” is an irrelevant argument when discussing gun laws, that is a wasted argument. The pro-gay forces at work don’t need empirical evidence to support their agenda. The foisting of the insidious mess of a societal time bomb on the rest of us is fuled by evil forces, and as such, we already know that Satan doesn’t need statistics to support his evil.

The question is will this cause infighting within the scouts, as there are certainly going to be those within who will stand not silent about the Christian message regarding homosexuality (especially among the more evangelical troops), or will it see a loss of membership as some members abdicate over the decision? As a former long-time scout, I suspect the latter. The scouts apparently want openly Christian boys and young men, and openly gay young men. To be openly Christian, you proclaim God’s truth and spread the Good News. I can’t wait to see how they handle the spreading of truth, since they apparently want both to mix and somehow magically coexist.

For me it won’t be worth the fight to subject my children to being pawns in a political game. I dont mind that fight myself, as we are called to take it up as Catholics, but I don’t want my children to be anything more than my children. Their time for the fight will come one day. I’d pull my kids out in a heart beat not out of fear, but because the org. as a whole is apparently too cowardly to stand up and not cave in to pressure from external forces. If they can’t act like the proverbial men of fortitude they purport to mold boys into, they are no longer worth anyone’s time or support.

It will be interesting to see how this affects them on a larger scale. I suspect they are going to still be fighting with the pro-gay forces, because they are never satisfied with their successes. The next battle is the continued barrage of attacks for not allowing homosexual instructors. To think you have reached a compromise is laughable. You can’t compromise with the pro-homosexual lobby, because you can’t compromise with evil. It is eventually all-consuming, and Satan doesn’t just say “yeam, I’ve had enough. I’m good with Australia, Northern Africa, and Central America… God can keep the rest…”

I hope for the scouts sake they have funding from the pro-homosexual lobby and sponsors that will pick up the slack when they lose support from the Evangelical community, which is one of the largest supportters they have. Selfishly, I hope they are cripppled in terms of support, but I suspect in the short term, someone will pick up the slack to give the appearance that this won’t be an issue going forward, which of course in the long term, it will be.
 
I don’t know why the morals clause shouldn’t include all sinners, not just gay-style sinning. if we’re to enforce Purity of Thought everywhere, we should start here. if we’re to exclude any chaste gay kid who has not acted out, we must exclude any scout who’s had a beer, stolen a pack of cigs, talked back to Mom, opened a Playboy… given 'em the boot. one bad apple will bring the Downfall of the republic.
 
gracepoole said:
It’s actually not new. There are many Catholics who have previously written about loyal dissent. Of course, do recognize that you’ve placed those who disagree in an impossible position by immediately labeling them as “tools of the evil one.” That seems like a really convenient dodge. It also sounds really Protestant.
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This is a rabbit hole. You should start a thread about rejecting Church authority.
 
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