Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

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Lost_Sheep said:
Hey non-Catholics, why don’t you get the **** out of our forum and go preach your evil drivel somewhere else? :mad:
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No kidding. I have plenty of resources on the non-Catholic opinion outside of Catholic Answers. I go here to align my conscience with the Catholic faith.
 
CaliLobo said:
How is having gays in the military and scouting a scandal?? Why does it matter??
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The sin of scandal. Not how scandal is termed in common society.
2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.
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buffalo said:
Oh boy. You have fallen for this hook line and sinker.

It is not normal, it is deviant. It exists in around 2% of the pop. Logic alone tells us it is not normal. (no need for religion in this argument) It cannot fulfill the purpose intended for the reproductive organs. It cannot perpetuate society which is the prime purpose for the marital act.

It is disease laden, it shortens the lifespan, and there is so much more.

400 animal species? Any so called homo act in lower animals is opportunistic. In any case, humans know better and are called to self mastery.
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Lefthandedness, red hair, and freckles are minority traits. Are people with those traits deviant?

Is one defined by the “purpose of the reproductive organs”? Does one really need to have children to fulfill his purpose? Gays can help perpetuate society though adoption.

It is no longer disease laden with the use of condoms and improved medical treatments. But wait, the Vatican opposes condoms despite the health benefit of reducing STDs…

It does not shorten the lifespan. Many gays have long lives, like the late pianist Van Cliburn.
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Dawnia:
Your going with the “animals do it so should we” argument?
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Yes and I have no qualms about it. It is biologically normal, therefore it is normal.
 
RoseMary131 said:
Boy Scouts Youth goes til age 18. I promise you, BSA Troops are not expecting all Youth members to be chaste. Teenage boys are thinking about sex.

Should they be taught to be chaste by their parents,… Yes. Does BSA teach anything about sex, not that I have ever seen.

There is no Youth sexual activities allowed on Scout functions, that would be heterosexual activities and homosexual activities.
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They aren’t? What does an oath mean then?
**
Scout Oath**

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

Scout Law

A Scout is:
Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful,
Friendly, Courteous, Kind,
Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty,
Brave, Clean, Reverent
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Using that same argument, we should all start donating to Planned Parenthood because despite abortions and birth control, they do a lot of “good things” like pre-natal care, breast cancer screenings, gynecological health services etc.
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Allowing a boy who claims he is “gay” to join a Boy Scout Troop is not the same as saying the Boy Scouts deal in evil as Planned Parenthood does.

Even the Catholic Church allows Catholic people who claim to be homosexual to attend Mass. They should not present themselves for Holy Communion if they are living a homosexual lifestyle. Neither should any heterosexual person one who finds they are in a state of mortal sin due to sexual sins or other mortal sin.
 
buffalo said:
Then He could certainly tell you why homosexual acts are good and you could tell us.
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Look, I don’t know how to state this more clearly. Basic philosophy courses explain quite succinctly that 1) the burden of proof lies with your position, and 2) even if an absence of knowledge *did *exist, this in and of itself would not be credible proof of the opposite position.

I’m not sure what more I can offer you on this point. 🤷
 
gracepoole said:
I’m claiming to think about my faith. Catholics long before me questioned unjust dictates from the Holy See – and they were ultimately proven correct when she changed course.

I’m fairly sure they also heard from many who claimed they were evil and disloyal in the process.
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So, you are basically saying you are a heretic, but you are a loyal heretic?
 
gracepoole said:
Look, I don’t know how to state this more clearly. Basic philosophy courses explain quite succinctly that 1) the burden of proof lies with your position, and 2) even if an absence of knowledge *did *exist, this in and of itself would not be credible proof of the opposite position.

I’m not sure what more I can offer you on this point. 🤷
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You aren’t making any sense. You are dissenting from the clear teaching of the Church, but you claim that the burden of proof is on the Church to prove you wrong? Wow.
 
CaliLobo said:
Lefthandedness, red hair, and freckles are minority traits. Are people with those traits deviant?

Is one defined by the “purpose of the reproductive organs”? Does one really need to have children to fulfill his purpose? Gays can help perpetuate society though adoption.

It is no longer disease laden with the use of condoms and improved medical treatments. But wait, the Vatican opposes condoms despite the health benefit of reducing STDs…

It does not shorten the lifespan. Many gays have long lives, like the late pianist Van Cliburn.

Yes and I have no qualms about it. It is biologically normal, therefore it is normal.
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Red hair and the like are not free will actions.

Homo adoptions violates the rights of children who are left out of this adult desire. These kids still have biological parents so a homo adoption does not perpetuate.

You know well the purpose of the marital act.

Oh really, you should really research the health effects better. Start with a search on the thickness of the epitheleal layer. We can go from there.

You should also do better research on the successes in the Congo without the use of condoms. Proponents always want to put band-aids on these issues instead of locating the root cause.

Yes - a few normal people have long lives. Hardly an argument to justify those that die from smoking, etc.

In addition, I am a taxpayer and I do not want the burden of increased health care costs because of risky behavior.
 
CaliLobo said:
Lefthandedness, red hair, and freckles are minority traits. Are people with those traits deviant?

Is one defined by the “purpose of the reproductive organs”? Does one really need to have children to fulfill his purpose? Gays can help perpetuate society though adoption.

It is no longer disease laden with the use of condoms and improved medical treatments. But wait, the Vatican opposes condoms despite the health benefit of reducing STDs…

It does not shorten the lifespan. Many gays have long lives, like the late pianist Van Cliburn.

Yes and I have no qualms about it. It is biologically normal, therefore it is normal.
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So is cannibalism, eating feces, sex with other species, necrophelia, murder, rape, stealing…🤷
 
buffalo said:
They aren’t? What does an oath mean then?
**
Scout Oath**

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.
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url]Boy Scout Oath

The Meaning of the Boy Scout Oath
Excerpted from page 45-46, Boy Scout Handbook, 11th ed,
(#33105), copyright 1998 by BSA, ISBN 0-8395-3105-2
and from page 420-421, Webelos Scout Book, 1998 edition,
(#33108), copyright 1998 by BSA, ISBN 0-8395-3108-7

. . . and morally straight. To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.
 
RoseMary131 said:
Allowing a boy who claims he is “gay” to join a Boy Scout Troop is not the same as saying the Boy Scouts deal in evil as Planned Parenthood does.

Even the Catholic Church allows Catholic people who claim to be homosexual to attend Mass. They should not present themselves for Holy Communion if they are living a homosexual lifestyle. Neither should any heterosexual person one who finds they are in a state of mortal sin due to sexual sins or other mortal sin.
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And the Church has no interest in their salvation? The Church will just look the other way?

True Christian charity demands fraternal correction.
 
gracepoole said:
Look, I don’t know how to state this more clearly. Basic philosophy courses explain quite succinctly that 1) the burden of proof lies with your position, and 2) even if an absence of knowledge *did *exist, this in and of itself would not be credible proof of the opposite position.

I’m not sure what more I can offer you on this point. 🤷
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You could just share with me simply one thought of why you think the homosexual act is good.

Your silence and avoidance says you cannot make 1 positive argument for.
 
gracepoole said:
You think those who disagreed with the Church on positions that It has since changed its views on were heretics?
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You are making the dramatically self-absorbed assumption that you are right and the Church will change its position. There are plenty of heretics who disagreed with the Church on positions the Church has never waivered from.

I knew Galileo, and you are no Galileo. 😉
 
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