Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

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EmperorNapoleon said:
Why is it that people keep approaching this as if gays are sex crazed maniacs lying in wait to molest their friends? It couldn’t be farther from the truth.
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Why is it that people keep attacking those who are concerned about this resolution as if they are “haters”? That couldn’t be farther from the truth.
 
Even though, on a personal level, I have no qualms with homosexuality, I still find this a bad thing. The people who fund the Scouts the most are religious organizations. And the conservative [by conservative, I mean ‘adherent to traditional values’] ones like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, The Catholic Church and the LCMS are its biggest supporters. With this, it’s no different than telling everyone that their Communion is an invalid piece of wheat and wine.
If the Boy Scouts is a body, those churches are its spine.
 
armyross said:
. Thanks for service sir you can come hang out with us in Afghanistan if you miss the military. thanks again for your post:thumbsup:
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Any place warmer that Bosnia is fine by me 🙂 I think there are still parts that haven’t thawed out 😛
 
zab said:
Why is it that people keep attacking those who are concerned about this resolution as if they are “haters”? That couldn’t be farther from the truth.
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Because these “concerns” are unfounded and based on nothing but a bizarre stereotype.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Because these “concerns” are unfounded and based on nothing but a bizarre stereotype.
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The “bizarre stereotype” that someone who is attracted to another might hit on them? Why is that a “bizarre stereotype?” It happens all the time.
 
zab said:
Why is it that people keep attacking those who are concerned about this resolution as if they are “haters”? That couldn’t be farther from the truth.
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There is no positive argument for it, so all that is left is the emotional attacks.
 
rlg94086 said:
The “bizarre stereotype” that someone who is attracted to another might hit on them?
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Yes, the obsession with the idea that a homosexual might find you attractive and hit on you. There are already gay Scouts. The only difference this makes is that gay Scouts can continue in the program without fear of being kicked out for their sexual orientation. I haven’t heard any stories of gay Scouts hitting on other Scouts. Have you? I don’t recall these concerns ever being expressed over Venturing activities. Should the Boy Scouts discontinue that coed tradition? Or are these concerns about an alleged risk of flirting, as I suspect, only limited to gay Scouts?
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Yes,** the obsession with the idea that a homosexual might find you attractive and hit on you**. There are already gay Scouts. The only difference this makes is that gay Scouts can continue in the program without fear of being kicked out for their sexual orientation. I haven’t heard any stories of gay Scouts hitting on other Scouts. Have you? I don’t recall these concerns ever being expressed over Venturing activities. Should the Boy Scouts discontinue that coed tradition? Or are these concerns about an alleged risk of flirting, as I suspect, only limited to gay Scouts?
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Ah…and there is the straw man. Venturing has different parameters. Girls share facilities with girls. Boys share facilities with boys. There would still be an issue with girls and boys who have same sex attraction sharing facilities with those of the same sex.

Again, though, you think everyone should just share the same facilities and remove all modesty from society, so what is your point…other than accusing people of a paranoia they don’t have?
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Yes, the obsession with the idea that a homosexual might find you attractive and hit on you. There are already gay Scouts. The only difference this makes is that gay Scouts can continue in the program without fear of being kicked out for their sexual orientation. I haven’t heard any stories of gay Scouts hitting on other Scouts. Have you? I don’t recall these concerns ever being expressed over Venturing activities. Should the Boy Scouts discontinue that coed tradition?
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The fact that there are already gay Scouts is not a problem. The problem is when one openly declares their sexual orientation in a way that that says to the Scouts that that he rejects the moral code of the BSA. He not only rejects it for himself but he is encouraging others to abandon it as well. It is not a matter of people not accepting to work, and play and live with homosexuals. It is a matter of homosexuals rejecting those who want to live by a moral code and trying to force their way on others.
 
rlg94086 said:
Girls share facilities with girls. Boys share facilities with boys.
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And they intermingle with plenty of opportunities for flirting.
rlg94086 said:
…so what is your point…other than accusing people of a paranoia they don’t have?
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Unless someone can provide evidence that the gay Scouts are hitting on or otherwise soliciting sex from fellow Scouts then that is precisely what it is; paranoia.
zab said:
The fact that there are already gay Scouts is not a problem. The problem is when one openly declares their sexual orientation in a way that that says to the Scouts that that he rejects the moral code of the BSA. He not only rejects it for himself but he is encouraging others to abandon it as well. It is not a matter of people not accepting to work, and play and live with homosexuals. It is a matter of homosexuals rejecting those who want to live by a moral code and trying to force their way on others.
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Being gay is not immoral and the issue at hand is orientation not the acts which may or may not follow and are still just as punishable as they were before. Do you have any evidence that gay Scouts are “trying to force their way on others?”
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
And they intermingle with plenty of opportunities for flirting.

Unless someone can provide evidence that the gay Scouts are hitting on or otherwise soliciting sex from fellow Scouts then that is precisely what it is; paranoia.
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So, you think people with same sex attraction are different, more chaste if you will, than people with opposite sex attraction? Are they somehow superior in controlling their desires? Some sort of gay superpower?
 
rlg94086 said:
So, you think people with same sex attraction are different, more chaste if you will, than people with opposite sex attraction?
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I don’t believe people should be banning an entire category of youth based on nothing but their orientation and a paranoid unsubstantiated notion that they will molest other Scouts. Its no different than saying that straight Scouts should be banned because they might flirt or have sex during a Venturing outing. No one should be prohibited from joining the Scouts on the grounds that they MIGHT do something against the rules.
 
rlg94086 said:
So, you think people with same sex attraction are different, more chaste if you will, than people with opposite sex attraction? Are they somehow superior in controlling their desires? Some sort of gay superpower?
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Would the risk of ‘flirting’ diminish if gays had to lie about their sexual orientation?
 
wynnejj said:
In that the Catholic responses virtually said nothing, one might argue the point of whether they were “dumb” people. You know the old wisecrack … you know they’re lying because their lips are moving … the new one about our Catholic steering committees might be … you know they’re dumb because their lips are moving.

I take exception to the idea that the BSA cannot be trusted. BSA executive board put forward their proposal, but the national council voted on it. Unless we’re arguing chads and dimples here, that’s a fact.

What you are saying is that traditional values have outgrown the BSA because the definition of “morally straight” in the BSA is morally relativistic. The salt has lost its flavour and is useless.
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Again I am saying first it was said no changes then they changed. That is hardly a track record to be proud of. The folks in the Church who are charged with dealing with this seem to be saying it should not be changed but since it has then well it is ok as long as Church teaching is followed. That is accenting the positive to be kind.

Why is Scouting so important that they should adapt to this political move? I am not sure it is that important.
 
rlg94086 said:
So, you think people with same sex attraction are different, more chaste if you will, than people with opposite sex attraction? Are they somehow superior in controlling their desires? Some sort of gay superpower?
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That is the type of reasonable question that never gets answered. Apparently it should not be asked. Stick with the program of moral and logical disconnect.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
I don’t believe people should be banning an entire category of youth based on nothing but their orientation and a paranoid unsubstantiated notion that they will molest other Scouts. Its no different than saying that straight Scouts should be banned because they might flirt or have sex during a Venturing outing. No one should be prohibited from joining the Scouts on the grounds that they MIGHT do something against the rules.
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Thank you for the non-answer. 🤷
 
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