Brazil Church condemns abortion of twins

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kyria said:
I am pro-life too, but I can’t see how a nine year old child would survive the pregnancy of twins
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This is based on what? Have you ever heard of any one else who was young who had a child? Take into consideration that at one time, in this country, there was a time when it was not exactly uncommon to have someone to start their family before they were a teenager. Not that EVERY ONE was doing it, but it was not uncommon. Mostly in rural and undereducated, but that just tells me that there was less medical attention.

But this comment about how the nine year old could survive: why not? In your estimation, how old would a child be before they could survive? :eek:

Besides, why would a body be able to conceive, and carry a child to term, if they would not be able to survive this?🤷
 
Bravo! The Bishop has done exactly the right thing in publicizing these excommunications. 👍

That even some Catholics here are disturbed by the excommunications demonstrates how desperately good catechesis is needed.
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It is never justified to directly and deliberately take the life of an innocent human being. Period.**

Direct abortion is a grave and intrinsic evil which can never be permitted, even under the most extreme circumstances. If we don’t believe in human rights under extreme circumstances, we don’t believe in them at all.

The Church has stood firmly and defended the truth in this case, as evidenced by the vicious reaction of the world. The world hates the truth, just as they hated Jesus Christ - the Truth Incarnate.
 
Dauphin said:
Bravo! The Bishop has done exactly the right thing in publicizing these excommunications. 👍

That even some Catholics here are disturbed by the excommunications demonstrates how desperately good catechesis is needed.

It is never justified to directly and deliberately take the life of an innocent human being. Period.

Direct abortion is a grave and intrinsic evil which can never be permitted, even under the most extreme circumstances. If we don’t believe in human rights under extreme circumstances, we don’t believe in them at all.

The Church has stood firmly and defended the truth in this case, as evidenced by the vicious reaction of the world. The world hates the truth, just as they hated Jesus Christ - the Truth Incarnate.
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I agree and am very pleased that the bishop spoke up about this horror.

As all Catholics should KNOW, the headline of this thread could (most accurately) state:
"Catholic Church (name of locale) condemns all abortion."
There are no exceptions to this moral law.
 
FrancesMarx said:
To me a 9 year old should be playing hide and seek.
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That’s great. 😛

But what about the 9 year old that is ALREADY PREGNANT. What should prevent her from having that baby? 😦

Please simply answer the question, which was asked because of what you posted already.🙂
 
**ABORTION IS ALWAYS MURDER! ALWAYS!! NO EXCEPTIONS, NO DO OVERS, ONCE YOU ARE MURDERED, IT CANNOT BE OVERRULED, EVEN BY THE ‘SUPREME COURT’.
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Premature babies have a heartbeat at 18 days and have survived after being removed from the mothers womb as early as **22 WEEKS, YES 22 WEEKS, OR 4 MONTHS. **

Today, we have the medical technology to save these innocent babies, even though some so-called “pro-life” Catholics want to abort (murder) these beautiful babies without even giving them a chance to live.

I fear that some of you would have urged Mary to abort Jesus because she was so young and had no husband and therefore would have be shunned from Jewish society and abandoned for dead.

Thank God Our Holy Mother Mary had more courage than most of us do!!!

Listen to Our Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings of His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, not your fickle emotions!

Excommunication is not permanent. Like all of us sinners, God’s love forgives us if we repent and excommunication can be rescinded.

Learn your faith, read the Catechism.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
 
FrancesMarx said:
I condemn the Brazilian Church and Vatican for backing the Brazilian church. One day Lord himself will come and ask these folks to use a bit of common sense, show a bit of compassion and burn those ridiculous dogmas.
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Are you God? Is “I am who I am” (Ex 3"14) blogging?

Jesus said, “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.” Mt 7:1

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
 
Apryl said:
That’s great. 😛

But what about the 9 year old that is ALREADY PREGNANT. What should prevent her from having that baby? 😦

Please simply answer the question, which was asked because of what you posted already.🙂
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Babies, I hope we are living in a civilized world and Children are not supposed to give birth here no matter what. And I am happy that Human law is above Catholic law as it turned out to be in Brazil.

See another example
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7913981.stm

If somebody speaks out against discrimination, the church pins them on to the Cross.
Church needs to be everybody’s church to be truly Catholic. That includes Gay,Lesbian,Moderate,Liberal etc.
 
FrancesMarx said:
Babies, I hope we are living in a civilized world and Children are not supposed to give birth here no matter what. And I am happy that Human law is above Catholic law as it turned out to be in Brazil.

See another example
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7913981.stm

If somebody speaks out against discrimination, the church pins them on to the Cross.
Church needs to be everybody’s church to be truly Catholic. That includes Gay,Lesbian,Moderate,Liberal etc.
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Wow. Sounds like you’ve travelled far off the beaten path - or left the straight and narrow path. The Church IS everybody’s Church. To be a part of it, PEOPLE, Gays, Lesbians, Moderates, Liberals - insert any group - need to conform to the teachings of the Church, teachings that come from God, not from a vote of the people.

Have you truly forgotten that?
 
Jesus_N_Cherie said:
Where in the Truth do you claim to get your information?
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News papers for one, televised news for the other. - Let me recommend the documentary “Deliver Us From Evil” to you. It’s the story of one of the worse pedophile priests the Church covered up for. The movie inlcudes the video footage of John Cardinal Mahoney’s (Los Angeles) deposition in the case. With your own eyes and ears you can witness the Cardinal say that he was aware of Father Oliver O’Grady’s tendencies, but they thought he was “only” molesting girls and that it was “natural curiosity”; had they known he was also molesting boys, it would have been taken more seriously.
 
"I am pro-life too, but I can’t see how a nine year old child would survive the pregnancy of twins, and I don’t think the Brazilian Catholic Church should have spoken out like this as it kind of makes us look like a Church that would risk the death of a child and I can’t see how she would have been physically able to carry twins to full term, thus I don’t believe the babies would have survived anyway." ----Kyria

How can one claim to be pro-life and yet make exceptions on when abortion is “justified”? 😦 As another poster wrote, “2 wrongs don’t make 1 right”. That child had been wronged terribly and God in His own plan, allowed her to get pregnant with twins. Who are we to question HIS plan?

Yes, the 9yo may not be able to carry the pregnancy to term or having twins is just too much for us to bear or her body might not sustain such ordeal, etc. We can only speculate. How about us trusting in HIS Divine Goodness, first and foremost? After all, GOD is the one in control here.

That Brazilian family needs our prayers, even the stepfather.
God bless us.
 
How can one claim to be pro-life and yet make exceptions on when abortion is “justified”?
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Because pro-life also includes the life of the nine year old child.
 
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09030601.html

Snippets:

By Matthew Cullinan Hoffman

RECIFE, BRAZIL, March 5, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Archbishop of the Brazilian city of Recife has announced the excommunication of a doctor who performed an abortion on a nine year old girl, as well as the family members who made the decision to carry out the procedure.

“The law of God is above all human law,” he said. “Therefore, when a human law, meaning a law promulgated by human legislators, is contrary to the law of God, this human law has no value.”

Abortion, he said, is “homicide against innocent life. We are talking about a silent holocaust, that kills a one million innocents in Brazil and fifty million in the world every year, a holocaust worse than the six million Jews, which we lament every year.”

However, an attorney for the Archdiocese, who was preparing to file a motion to stop the abortion when word came that it had already been done, told the media that “various specialists from Imip, which is a major hospital, say that she didn’t have a risk of dying. They could have waited longer.”

“I’m not sorry. What I did was to declare the excommunication. It is my obligation to alert the people, so that they may fear the laws of God,” he told the online publication.
 
I’m sure you weren’t aware of this but this is the third thread on this subject.
 
rayne89 said:
I’m sure you weren’t aware of this but this is the third thread on this subject.
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Well I guess I should have posted it under one of the other threads… I’ll try moving it now…
 
rayne89 said:
I’m sure you weren’t aware of this but this is the third thread on this subject.
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Hi fellow Michigander, Yes, I was aware of the other two threads, but I decided to post the latest update in a new thread. Sorry. :hey_bud: I tried moving it to one of the other threads, but it was too late.
 
ilt said:
"I am pro-life too, but I can’t see how a nine year old child would survive the pregnancy of twins, and I don’t think the Brazilian Catholic Church should have spoken out like this as it kind of makes us look like a Church that would risk the death of a child and I can’t see how she would have been physically able to carry twins to full term, thus I don’t believe the babies would have survived anyway." ----Kyria

How can one claim to be pro-life and yet make exceptions on when abortion is “justified”? 😦 As another poster wrote, “2 wrongs don’t make 1 right”. That child had been wronged terribly and God in His own plan, allowed her to get pregnant with twins. Who are we to question HIS plan?

Yes, the 9yo may not be able to carry the pregnancy to term or having twins is just too much for us to bear or her body might not sustain such ordeal, etc. We can only speculate. How about us trusting in HIS Divine Goodness, first and foremost? After all, GOD is the one in control here.

That Brazilian family needs our prayers, even the stepfather.
God bless us.
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So the Lord God used an immoral. illegal and patently evil act to promote His plan?

Not the God I worship
 
oldcelt said:
So the Lord God used an immoral. illegal and patently evil act to promote His plan?

Not the God I worship
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I think the poster was referring to God’s passive will - His Divine providence. It’s manifestly obvious that God permitted this pregnancy to occur (since it happened).

There was no way to reverse this without violating the rights of the unborn, so it had to be allowed to continue.
 
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