BREAKING: Texas Republicans pass abortion law after marathon filibuster

[GaryTaylor]

Is it basically Republicans who are pro-life in this country? Where are the pro-life Democrats and if there are any, why are they silent? I know that the most pro-abortion Congressman ever in the history of the USA, was a Roman Catholic priest and Democrat, Father Drinan. And as far as I know, he was not excommunicated, even though he voted 100% for abortion rights.

They created a false analogy in their Obamacare push feeling they are serving the greater good and upholding equal rights for everyone this way. There’s some very good but disillusioned people there.

Roe vs Wade is coming back before congress next March. Its a failure in definition of the 14th amendment. Its doomed and all that’s needed is financial backing. They play God and condemn life. The invention of when life begins is no longer sustainable, the court will be forced to admit when an unborn baby is established at conception, thus legally bringing the biological definition in line with the legal definition then Roe vs Wade falls. Its gonna happen and you’ll live to see it.

 

[LisaA]

Lisa, it appears that columnist has never been up north to Washington state. Patty Murray could give any one of the California women a run for their money. Maria Cant(vote)well is a close second. But Murray probably counts for two - such is the routine inanity of her comments. When Chris Gregoire was governor - it was quite the threesome.

Ishii

Patty, Maria and Christine aka the Three Witches of Endor…boil boil toil and trouble…yes you have a few whack jobs as do we, your neighbors to the south. The sad part is that much of both our states and even California are quite solid, traditional, with strong family values but the states are completely run by the few large urban areas. So far the Texas loons are in the Austin area but I suspect they will migrate and spread their poison.

Lisa

 

[ishii]

Patty, Maria and Christine aka the Three Witches of Endor…boil boil toil and trouble…yes you have a few whack jobs as do we, your neighbors to the south. The sad part is that much of both our states and even California are quite solid, traditional, with strong family values but the states are completely run by the few large urban areas. So far the Texas loons are in the Austin area but I suspect they will migrate and spread their poison.

Lisa

On the other hand, (I just remembered after my last post) we have Cathy McMorris Rodgers. But as you say, the good ones are from the more rural areas.

Ishii

 

[Corki]

Is it basically Republicans who are pro-life in this country? Where are the pro-life Democrats and if there are any, why are they silent?

They generally don’t make it past state or local positions. This is because unfettered abortion “rights” are an official plank in the Democratic platform. The party will not support the advancement of a pro-life Democrat.

I know that the most pro-abortion Congressman ever in the history of the USA, was a Roman Catholic priest and Democrat, Father Drinan. And as far as I know, he was not excommunicated, even though he voted 100% for abortion rights.

Fr. Drinan was possibly the most pro-abortion Congressman of his time but many have exceeded that claim in more recent years.He was publicly denounced by the Vatican and by Cardinal O’Conner. He was ordered to leave political office by Pope John Paul II and he complied.

 

[Tomdstone]

If you are a Catholic I do not know how you can vote for a Democrat.

But aren’t there many priests who vote for a Democrat. For example, the RC priest, reverend Andrew Greeley, publicly announced that he was a Democrat, did he not? And the most pro-abortion Congressman ever in the history of the USA, was a RC priest, Father Drinan.

 

[Tomdstone]

They generally don’t make it past state or local positions. This is because unfettered abortion “rights” are an official plank in the Democratic platform. The party will not support the advancement of a pro-life Democrat.

Fr. Drinan was possibly the most pro-abortion Congressman of his time but many have exceeded that claim in more recent years.He was publicly denounced by the Vatican and by Cardinal O’Conner. He was ordered to leave political office by Pope John Paul II and he complied.

But he was never excommunicated for his position. And did he ever abandon his pro-abortion position?

 

[LisaA]

But aren’t there many priests who vote for a Democrat. For example, the RC priest, reverend Andrew Greeley, publicly announced that he was a Democrat, did he not? And the most pro-abortion Congressman ever in the history of the USA, was a RC priest, Father Drinan.

I don’t know how “most” priests vote but the USCCB was quite clear about voting for pro aborts like Obama, Pelosi, etc. As clear as they could be without naming names. I have no concern about a radical priest in the past who was told to resign from office. There are “nuns on the bus” and all kinds of heterodox “Catholics” spouting off. I think they create scandal but nothing we can do but speak the truth.

If you are Catholic, you cannot vote for pro abort politician of either party…but in reality it’s mostly the Democrats protecting this evil.
Lisa

 

[Tomdstone]

If you are Catholic, you cannot vote for pro abort politician of either party…
Lisa

That’s not what the reverend Father Andrew Greeley said. I beleive that they say that you can vote for a politician who is pro-choice, provided that that is not the reason that you are voting for her.

 

[LisaA]

That’s not what the reverend Father Andrew Greeley said. I beleive that they say that you can vote for a politician who is pro-choice, provided that that is not the reason that you are voting for her.

Andrew Greeley? I’d be more interested in what the USCCB has stated. You can’t vote for a pro abort politician regardless if you are voting for her because you like her taste in shoes.

With the militant support for abortion, even late term, even taxpayer supported, I don’t see how any Catholic can support this ideology. It’s just plain evil. The idea that Wendy Davis WHOLE campaign is based on her demand women be able to abort a baby at 25+ weeks is not only sickening, it’s frightening. What a ghoul.

Lisa

 

[ishii]

That’s not what the reverend Father Andrew Greeley said. I beleive that they say that you can vote for a politician who is pro-choice, provided that that is not the reason that you are voting for her.

So if a candidate is pro-abortion but also for say, increasing defense spending, its okay to vote for the pro-abortion candidate as long as you’re voting because of the position on defense spending?

Ishii

 

[DoGodsBidding]

Andrew Greeley? I’d be more interested in what the USCCB has stated. You can’t vote for a pro abort politician regardless if you are voting for her because you like her taste in shoes.

With the militant support for abortion, even late term, even taxpayer supported, I don’t see how any Catholic can support this ideology. It’s just plain evil. The idea that Wendy Davis WHOLE campaign is based on her demand women be able to abort a baby at 25+ weeks is not only sickening, it’s frightening. What a ghoul.

Lisa

 

[Tomdstone]

So if a candidate is pro-abortion but also for say, increasing defense spending, its okay to vote for the pro-abortion candidate as long as you’re voting because of the position on defense spending?

Ishii

I believe that is what some Catholic clergy have said, yes. However, it would be wrong to vote for the person on the basis that she favors abortion.
However, take the RC priest Father Drinan. He was explicitly and openly in favor of all pro-abortion laws that ever came up during his tenure. You say: Oh, that doesn’t count because he was eventually recalled by his superior. But on what basis was he recalled? He was recalled on the basis that a RC clergyman should not run for political office. He wasn’t excommunicated or anything like that. He did not change his positions, did he?

 

[ishii]

I believe that is what some Catholic clergy have said, yes. However, it would be wrong to vote for the person on the basis that she favors abortion.
However, take the RC priest Father Drinan. He was explicitly and openly in favor of all pro-abortion laws that ever came up during his tenure. You say: Oh, that doesn’t count because he was eventually recalled by his superior. But on what basis was he recalled? He was recalled on the basis that a RC clergyman should not run for political office. He wasn’t excommunicated or anything like that. He did not change his positions, did he?

It is wrong to vote for the pro-abortion senator regardless of their other stands. So Greeley is wrong.

Ishi

 

[Tomdstone]

It is wrong to vote for the pro-abortion senator regardless of their other stands. So Greeley is wrong.

Ishi

That is what you say. But as far as I know, the priest and reverend Father Andrew Greeley was never excommunicated or told to retract his teaching on this?

 

[Lochias]

That is what you say. But as far as I know, the priest and reverend Father Andrew Greeley was never excommunicated or told to retract his teaching on this?

Love how you’re ignoring all the priests and bishops the world over, as well as the Pope and the Church itself, who ALL say that we cannot support laws or candidates that support abortion.

These kinds of posts are laughable in their willful ignorance.

 

[Tigg]

Love how you’re ignoring all the priests and bishops the world over, as well as the Pope and the Church itself, who ALL say that we cannot support laws or candidates that support abortion.

These kinds of posts are laughable in their willful ignorance.

That’s the cognitive dissonance, you see - that Catholics try to justify their politics by listening to a handful of radical clergy while ignoring what the Church really says.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Love how you’re ignoring all the priests and bishops the world over, as well as the Pope and the Church itself, who ALL say that we cannot support laws or candidates that support abortion.

That is not true. Apparently you never read “Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles” written by then, Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

 

[Corki]

That’s not what the reverend Father Andrew Greeley said. I beleive that they say that you can vote for a politician who is pro-choice, provided that that is not the reason that you are voting for her.

Unless Fr. Greeley was you personal spiritual adviser, that advice does not have any authority. Fr. Greeley was a novelist and a sociologist. He was not a Bishop or even a pastor. It is best to get advice on spiritual matters from those who are truly responsible for transmitting Church teaching.

 

[Tomdstone]

Love how you’re ignoring all the priests and bishops the world over, as well as the Pope and the Church itself, who ALL say that we cannot support laws or candidates that support abortion.

These kinds of posts are laughable in their willful ignorance.

I don’t see what is laughable about the US Bishop’s declaration on this. I don’t understand where ignorance comes in if a RC follows what the RC bishops say:
34. Catholics often face difficult choices about how to vote. This is why it is
so important to vote according to a well-formed conscience that perceives the
proper relationship among moral goods. A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate
who takes a position in favor of an intrinsic evil, such as abortion or racism, if the
voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases a Catholic would be guilty
of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time,** a voter should not use a
candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness
to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity. **35. There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable
position may decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons.
Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to
advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental
moral evil.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/upload/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship.pdf

usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/upload/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship.pdf

 

[ishii]

I don’t see what is laughable about the US Bishop’s declaration on this. I don’t understand where ignorance comes in if a RC follows what the RC bishops say:
34. Catholics often face difficult choices about how to vote. This is why it is
so important to vote according to a well-formed conscience that perceives the
proper relationship among moral goods. A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate
who takes a position in favor of an intrinsic evil, such as abortion or racism, if the
voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases a Catholic would be guilty
of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time,** a voter should not use a
candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness
to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity. **35. There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable
position may decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons.
Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to
advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental
moral evil.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/upload/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship.pdf

usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/upload/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship.pdf

The challenge for Democrat catholics who can’t bring themselves to vote GOP and so, so want to vote Democrat - the challenge is to come up with a valid “morally grave” reason to vote for the abortion Democrat. (or the abortion-lite Democrat). (hint: a candidate’s support for more funding for entitlements does not constitute a “morally grave” reason for support - nor does a candidate’s (presumably GOP) support for reducing those benefits. Neither rises to the level of moral gravity of a million unborn killed each year.

Ishii