"Brothers" of Jesus

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Eliza10 said:
Probably. I am trying very hard to understand and have decided it must be our cognitive style of thinking is conflicting.
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The point is, Jerome, holy as he was, was capable of errors in his translation. His was a personal interpretation of an infallible Truth.
 
prodromos said:
Interesting that while St Jerome is pre-schism, he holds no such appellation in the East. I have a suspicion that if more of the Eastern Fathers works were available in translation (since only a fraction have been translated from the Greek, only one third of St John Chrysostom’s works for example), the Latins would not be so quick to heap such praise on St Jerome
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So what??? The HOLY Spirit does NOT keep HIS Promises? Mt 16:18 & 28:20

Jesus DOES NOT keet his WORDS :John17:17-20???

What my friend am I missing here:shrug:

God Bless you,
 
PJM said:
So what??? The HOLY Spirit does NOT keep HIS Promises? Mt 16:18 & 28:20

Jesus DOES NOT keet his WORDS :John17:17-20???

What my friend am I missing here:shrug:

God Bless you,
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Ditto.🤷
 
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PJM said:
So what??? The HOLY Spirit does NOT keep HIS Promises? Mt 16:18 & 28:20

Jesus DOES NOT keet his WORDS :John17:17-20???

What my friend am I missing here:shrug:

God Bless you,
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None of those passages have anything to do with the accuracy of Jerome’s translations, or with biblical interpretation generally.
 
  • The Catholic Church regards St. Jerome as the GREATEST of all the DOCTORS in clarifying the Divine Word.
prodromos said:
Interesting that while St Jerome is pre-schism, he holds no such appellation in the East. I have a suspicion that if more of the Eastern Fathers works were available in translation (since only a fraction have been translated from the Greek, only one third of St John Chrysostom’s works for example), the Latins would not be so quick to heap such praise on St Jerome
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He was not just concerned with turning Greek to Latin but he also went back into Hebrew and Aramaic. So he had a gift that enabled him to get behind things. *.

Why don’t the Orthodox churches embrace St.Jerome? I don’t know. They do not embrace the See of Peter, so, hmm. I do not know much of Orthodoxy, I just have a few things I have noticed, which is not enough to characterize Orthodoxy in any way. I considered Orthodoxy, briefly, when I was converting, but the breaking from the See of Peter was the unsurmountable obstacle for me. The other was that I notice that its rather nationalistic. Which is very lovely if you are Greek, or Russian, or whatever. But Catholic Eastern Rite churches tend to be nationalistic too. I noticed that when I attended a Ukrainian Rite Church for awhile. I loved it, but I was quite alone in the world at the time and could not find home in their beautiful, enviable nationalism.

Anyway, being nationalistic sort of goes with your comment here. Don’t you think its possible that a nationalistic spirit is one reason why St. Jerome is not embraced in the east? It might be scorned upon to uphold him.

While being broken from the Pope is a bad thing, and would never do for me, there certainly are tons of problems in our Roman Rite Masses that you don’t have to deal with that I swallow for the sake of being untied with the Pope. But in these other Catholic Rites, still united to the See of Rome, do make for a lovely relief from the discouraging liturgical messes and folk guitar hymns celebrating “We the people!”.😦 The Orthodox Church Liturgy and the Anglican Church Masses (especially a high Mass) has SO MUCH over the average Catholic Mass here in the U.S. They are just more - Catholic. In form, and the right form feeds the spirit.

Like the SSPX Masses. Its sad that they are so beautiful, and have so much over most Masses, but its the reality. Though, the Latin is an obstacle for most. Where I lived before we attended a small Anglican rite Catholic Church, and we LOVED it. But there is not one near here, and they are few and far between.

Anyway I never communicated with so many Orthodox until I came to the Sacred Scripture thread at CAF. It seems like an Orthodox apologist forum, in a way! :eek: Educational, but not what I expected.
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Someday, both lungs of the Church will be reunited, and, Lordwilling, you Orthodox will have the Pope and we Roman Catholics a better Rite…*
 
PJM said:
So what??? The HOLY Spirit does NOT keep HIS Promises? Mt 16:18 & 28:20

Jesus DOES NOT keep his WORDS :John17:17-20???

What my friend am I missing here:shrug:

God Bless you,
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I want to affirm this, and these beautiful verses that you quoted. We are Catholic, of the Church that Jesus built on Peter, the Rock, and Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would be with this Church until the end of time. And Jesus keeps his Word!

So when the Church names St… Jerome a Saint, it is through the Holy Spirit and he is celebrated as such on earth and in all of Heaven. And such is the same when the Church defines who is a Doctor of the Church.

And when the Church says that St. Jerome is the GREATEST of all the Doctors in clarifying Divine Scripture, that, too, is inspired by the Holy Spirit. If someone in the Eastern Church did not get the title instead of St. Jerome, its probably not because the Holy Spirit was sleeping on the job.

And when Holy Mother Church venerates St. Jerome’s clarification of the Divine Word, I don’t think She is concerned about whether St. John the Baptist ate insects or roots (though I sure hope it was the latter), but I think the veneration of St. Jerome’s holy opinion is more about things like whether St. Joseph fathered a different family before/while he was head of the Holy family.

Its rock-solid ground to go with St. Jerome on such matters.:bowdown2:
  • The Catholic Church regards St. Jerome as the GREATEST of all the DOCTORS in clarifying the Divine Word.
 
Eliza10 said:
I want to affirm this, and these beautiful verses that you quoted. We are Catholic, of the Church that Jesus built on Peter, the Rock, and Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would be with this Church until the end of time. And Jesus keeps his Word!

So when the Church names St… Jerome a Saint, it is through the Holy Spirit and he is celebrated as such on earth and in all of Heaven. And such is the same when the Church defines who is a Doctor of the Church.

And when the Church says that St. Jerome is the GREATEST of all the Doctors in clarifying Divine Scripture, that, too, is inspired by the Holy Spirit. If someone in the Eastern Church did not get the title instead of St. Jerome, its probably not because the Holy Spirit was sleeping on the job.

And when Holy Mother Church venerates St. Jerome’s clarification of the Divine Word, I don’t think She is concerned about whether St. John the Baptist ate insects or roots (though I sure hope it was the latter), but I think the veneration of St. Jerome’s holy opinion is more about things like whether St. Joseph fathered a different family before/while he was head of the Holy family.

Its rock-solid ground to go with St. Jerome on such matters.:bowdown2:
  • The Catholic Church regards St. Jerome as the GREATEST of all the DOCTORS in clarifying the Divine Word.
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Yes, but what about the other Fathers?
 
Eliza10 said:
Ah, yes, you said it earlier, and I said it earlier, and you said it earlier, and…
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But when compared with other evidence, that doesn’t mean we should take it as fact. Yes, brothers in the Semitic tongue were equivalent to cousins in our language but that doesn’t mean we should qualify it as that.
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
But when compared with other evidence, that doesn’t mean we should take it as fact. Yes, brothers in the Semitic tongue were equivalent to cousins in our language but that doesn’t mean we should qualify it as that.
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I think St. Jerome based his opinion on much MORE than just the lack of the word “cousins” in Aramaic. That is a key point, yes, but there are SO MANY implications to the suggestion of St.Joseph being Bi-Vocation, and Jesus being a member of a Big Blended Family instead of the Holy Family we all think of him in. So many. St. Jerome would have considered all of this, as well as the origin of the various traditions existent in the 2nd century, when he judged what he saw as the truth of Sacred Scripture.
The Catholic Church regards St. Jerome as the GREATEST of all the DOCTORS in clarifying the Divine Word.
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Eliza10 said:
I think St. Jerome based his opinion on much MORE than just the lack of the word “cousins” in Aramaic. That is a key point, yes, but there are SO MANY implications to the suggestion of St.Joseph being Bi-Vocation, and Jesus being a member of a Big Blended Family instead of the Holy Family we all think of him in. So many. St. Jerome would have considered all of this, as well as the origin of the various traditions existent in the 2nd century, when he judged what he saw as the truth.
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Note, “what he saw as the truth.”
 
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