Bubonic Breeding ground? Dr Drew

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Rockoh22 said:
This is why I think that a big open location where they are sent by law, which can happen, would be a good start.
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Sounds a bit like an internment camp.

No, let’s work to make shelters and treatment available.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Sounds a bit like an internment camp.

No, let’s work to make shelters and treatment available.
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How are you going to make them take advantage of the shelters and treatment, and resolve the huge sanitation issues they are causing if you don’t “intern” them?
 
Have you ever worked with the homeless? Talked to these real human beings? Ask why they do not go to a shelter?
 
Shelters have curfews and drug policies that end up pushing some out. They need them for safety and quality of life obviously but it means an infinite shelter capacity won’t solve the problem.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Have you ever worked with the homeless? Talked to these real human beings? Ask why they do not go to a shelter?
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I’m a bit of a germophobe, so I tend not to frequent places where I have to dodge piles of human feces, used condoms, and drug needles. That probably makes me a bad person…
 
Not when some states give their homeless one way tickets to California.
 
Unfortunately, lots of people (and states) do think that homelessness is a crime. And it is so easy for people outside of California to think they are better because they “don’t” have a homeless problem.

While I was being rather facetious, it is a rather difficult problem that has no quick and easy solution. Out of sight for most people means it isn’t really a problem.
 
Maybe states should take care of their own instead of expecting California to take care of their problems.
 
Maybe call Catholic charities and ask if there is a shelter or soup kitchen where you can visit. Spend time talking to people, see them as real people, as your brothers and sisters.
 
sallybutler said:
Unfortunately, lots of people (and states) do think that homelessness is a crime. And it is so easy for people outside of California to think they are better because they “don’t” have a homeless problem.

While I was being rather facetious, it is a rather difficult problem that has no quick and easy solution. Out of sight for most people means it isn’t really a problem.
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I live in British Columbia, so we’re part of the current West Coast real estate bubble/boom/whatever-you-call-it. The West Coast of North America, in part because of relative proximity to Asia and in part because, well, it’s a pretty nice area to live in (earthquakes and tsunamis not withstanding). There’s a lot of hot industries in the region; particularly in tech, media, R&D and so forth. And homelessness is more than just someone with a substance abuse issue or mental health issue. There are stories of people who work for big tech firms who are living in RVs.

I’m seeing RV parks springing up all over my area, because for between $20000 and $30000 you can buy a place with fridge, stove and shower, and so long as you’ve 30amps of power and a reliable way to empty the septic tank, it’s a home, and because from BC to California, the weather is pretty temperate, it’s feasible to live in them all year round. But this is a solution that is mainly available to people we’d usually call the middle class. People with similar income are living in houses in other parts of the US and Canada, and if some of that economic growth could be extended to other parts of the continent, we might also see the problem alleviated.

What we’re really seeing is what major urban areas in the world have known for decades. There are people living in Tokyo for which an RV would actually be a move up space-wise.
 
Wow. got busy.

The reason I said a “tent city” is because of the large scale of people. It would be extremely difficult to house thousands of people in buildings that are not ready for this. But buildings can come in the future.

I have worked with homeless people, and when I see them I sit down and talk with them. Many of which are mentally unstable and refuse to go to a house, or a shelter or what ever one gives them free. Many are just not capable of taking care of themselves.

So a tent city to begin with, we can begin to accommodate the large quantity of people in an area that they can be provided care. And we the people can also go in and help. This can not be a government issue alone. I do not thrust government, and do not want more of it. But the government can definitely use it’s resources to begin the process and people can assist. There are a lot of charities that will help, so the help is there, but the location is not.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Maybe call Catholic charities and ask if there is a shelter or soup kitchen where you can visit. Spend time talking to people, see them as real people, as your brothers and sisters.
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In April (Autism Awareness Month), there were a fair amount of stories talking about the “measles” outbreak and how we need to quarantine the kids of parents who are concerned about vaccine safety, or have a religious or conscience objection to vaccines. This over a few hundred cases of a disease that is hardly ever fatal. But bubonic plague, on the other hand, can be 90-95% fatal, but there we have to look at these people as our brothers and sisters and be tolerant. The turnaround is kind of jarring.
 
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Once again, the solution is to make shelters safe and welcoming. To treat our homeless brethren with respect and dignity, to make health services available to them.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
I work in downtown LA and the homeless problem has only increase, partly due to investment groups buying up everything and creating high end housing beyond the meant can pay. Beyond those on the street there’s also an “invisible” rise in homeless who live in their cars/RVs.

I’m not sure what the real solution is.
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I have a solution that I haven’t heard anyone voice to date! It’s a great idea!

Instead of trying to deport the homeless, California should force a large percentage of the “high-end” people to move out of state to places in the U.S. that are considered “irredeemable” and work on “redeeming” those places–making them more like California!

Yeah!

E.g., re-locate a group of high-end Californians to places like our city in Northern Illinois! We lost 3000 people last year–they moved out of our city and most of them moved out of Illinois (probably to California!) We could sure use 3000 high-end Californians to help us become more progressive and liberal and healthy and open-minded and less up-tight and “cold” and starch-eating.

Balancing out the population in California between the homeless and the high-ends would make it possible to build more low-end housing for average people in the big California cities!

It’s a win-win! We might even start eating avocados in the winter…or probably not. They’re hard as rocks here–but maybe if Californians moved here, the avocados would be softer in January!
 
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HerCrazierHalf said:
I’m surprised the prices haven’t moved them out already. A new place in downtown LA is renting studios for $2440. Over $6k for a 3 bed.
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I know that wages are higher in CA, but I still wonder how someone with my income, or even the combined income of me and my husband, could afford it.

My daughter lived in San Diego for several years and LOVED the climate, the people, the food, the beach, and her work. She lived in a tiny apartment that cost around $1500/month, but it was still bigger than the closet she lives in in NYC and pays the same price for. And San Diego was a lot warmer than NYC!

But I don’t think she’ll move back to CA–it’s just too expensive in many respects–it’s really hard to get anywhere because the highways are soooooo crowded! I can’t believe that someone thinks a beach and warm temperatures are worth four or more hours a day sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic. What a waste of our lives!
 
The slumming of the cities is not going to be resolved by recommending the local Church’s soup kitchen. The situation has been allowed to morph into a 4th world.
Evacuating the areas - removing people and what they have left behind to fester and disease - is not being inhumane. They must be sorted out according to their afflictions, not in the sense that Hitler/Nazi’s did, but severe mental illness, addictions, and the down and out poor without any source of employment/shelter/lost. Basic needs of people do not change - their behaviors do. What was known as a “poor house” was well known years ago. There were “county farms” also, living and working there. The mental hospitals were closed down (many needed drastic change) but the mentally helpless were dumped out on society, and there is the fact that any restraint of freedom is inherent in a person to
resist even when they can’t handle it. These are much bigger problems because of neglect. Get started and make it happen - clean it up and take care of people.
Stop the endless stream of needy people lining up at our doors where we cannot
take care of ourselves or anyone else.
 
I agree with much of what you say, but I think it’s unlikely we will ever see any politicians elected who can actually implement these policies. The Democratic Party would be against everything you suggested and probably label you a “hate-monger.” The Republicans would be afraid to implement these kinds of policies because they are afraid of losing elections/funding.
 
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