Bums or Saints?

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I once worked right in the center of downtown in a large US city. Beggars were everywhere - wheelchairs, signs, shabby clothes, jangling cups, all that. They were most visible, it seemed, at lunchtime and before/after regular business hours. How could anyone turn a cold eye and walk past all that poverty? How can one know if a person is legitimately in need? And who of us can rightly judge that legitimacy?

Unfortunately, some of them became aggressive and scary. Then, there was the news about a man who had refused a beggar and got stabbed. We were advised (I believe by the police department via the security personnel in our building) that we should not give directly to the beggars, but to the mission houses instead.

I worry about posting this because, obviously, while not all those “in need” truly are, those that are don’t live structured lives. So getting themselves to a mission at the moment they need money may be a ridiculous thing to expect of them. And how humiliating it must be to have to justify to someone your sad situation in exchange for a buck. Cash money, given on the spot, is still the most liquid asset we can offer to someone in need (whatever that need might be). Although, I do like posters’ suggestions to simply ask, What do you need?

As far as the OP goes, I have to ask: Doesn’t a priest’s first responsibility go toward his parish? Maybe their safety in this case? I’m sure that he is aware of how charitable acts are performed in structured manner as with the myriad works the Catholic Church does (and has done) to serve humanity in so many ways throughout the years and throughout the world.

Nevertheless, I can respect the OP’s discomfort with this. (Matthew 25:35-40)

Alas, I am not an expert on any of this. I cannot look into anyone’s mind or heart - the priest, the OP, or anyone who gives or receives. I can only ask: What would Jesus do? Okay, Jesus would know their heart. So, what would Mother Theresa do? Hmm, I’m really warming up to the idea of simply asking what is needed.

God bless~

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Most homeless are afraid and grateful to those that offer them what they need. Rarely does one of them attack a donor. I’ve noticed some rules set out by law enforcements can be directed against the homeless depending upon the Chiefs and even the cities councilperson. A lot of rules and laws are more interested in pleasing those few who “hate” the homeless person and what they represent; poverty. A lot of the responsibility to serve the homeless and poor are given to each parish in my last 2 diocese. In 2 parish’s parish personnel the office ladies are exaggerated in their fears and often close the doors to the poor and homeless even if they are parishioners. The Catholic Church is never the problem, it’s usually the well meaning Catholics which have personal issues that prevent them from being charitable and solid Catholics

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Nevertheless, I can respect the OP’s discomfort with this. (Matthew 25:35-40)

Alas, I am not an expert on any of this. I cannot look into anyone’s mind or heart - the priest, the OP, or anyone who gives or receives. I can only ask: What would Jesus do? Okay, Jesus would know their heart. So, what would Mother Theresa do? Hmm, I’m really warming up to the idea of simply asking what is needed.

God bless~

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Mat; 25, 3535
I was hungry, and you gave me food. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was alone and away from home, and you invited me into your house. 36 I was without clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me**.’

Great observations:clapping:
 
Not just “giving” them a job, but training them in the practical skills they need, and inculcating good attitudes and good work habits so that they can keep the job, and move up in the organization, and so that they can get good references when they’re ready to move on to bigger and better things.

It means developing a relationship with them, and giving them strong ground to stand on - the security of knowing that you’re always there for them - while they reach for their goals.
Wishful thinking jmcrae. The homeless population is mostly made of what we in society call ‘dispensable’ those who cannot function in a structured society for many different reasons. Today, there are now many who, because of our high unemployment, are educated and found now in the streets. So, no this training ideas doesn’t always work. We as Catholics should provide for there needs whatever they may need which can include assistance with job searches if and when applicable but it is not even close to resolving homelessness.
 
I see you’ve already been accused of being unkind, but I agree with you and find it increasingly frustrating that this complex problem is only approached on the level of emotion. Do we really want to help them or are we content to perpetuate the problem.

I copied this from a recent Catholic article I read. If we could ponder some of the deeper aspects, maybe we could truly help the “bums” become "saints.
The Catholic writer has his/her opinion to this issue. It doesn’t change my approach towards it. If one kindly, motherly women is out there providing hot homemade meals out there for them to eat. I applaud her. The writer and them I’m sure would not be found anywhere close to the homeless, much less satisfying their needs.
 
The Catholic writer has his/her opinion to this issue. It doesn’t change my approach towards it. If one kindly, motherly women is out there providing hot homemade meals out there for them to eat. I applaud her. The writer and them I’m sure would not be found anywhere close to the homeless, much less satisfying their needs.
Well, I’m afraid you would be wrong, WilT, because the quote was written by Monsignor Charles Pope of the Archdiocese of Washington. Here you can listen to him speak about the positive impact parishioners had on the impoverished:

facebook.com/video.php?v=10150512107193787&permPage=1
 
Wishful thinking jmcrae.
Not at all. Our approach works. The reason you don’t want to do it is not because it doesn’t work, but because it requires getting to know homeless people, and including them in the centre of your life, rather than just feeling good about yourself as you throw some spare change in their direction, while carrying on your life without being changed in any way by your encounters with the homeless.
 
Not at all. Our approach works. The reason you don’t want to do it is not because it doesn’t work, but because it requires getting to know homeless people, and including them in the centre of your life, rather than just feeling good about yourself as you throw some spare change in their direction, while carrying on your life without being changed in any way by your encounters with the homeless.
Jim with all due respect you seem to be denigrating those of use who give money to beggars. I don’t throw spare change at them to feel good about myself. I give them money because I want to bring some joy in their life.
 
Jim with all due respect you seem to be denigrating those of use who give money to beggars. I don’t throw spare change at them to feel good about myself. I give them money because I want to bring some joy in their life.
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Well, I’m afraid you would be wrong, WilT, because the quote was written by Monsignor Charles Pope of the Archdiocese of Washington. Here you can listen to him speak about the positive impact parishioners had on the impoverished:

facebook.com/video.php?v=10150512107193787&permPage=1
He can be a Bishop and/or Cardinal but it doesn’t change things. We all, who follow Our Faith closely, many of times disagree amongst ourselves and between themselves. The one who’s idea leans closer to Christ’s teachings is usually the correct one. By your fruits you will be known, says the scriptures.

I saw the video and it’s a video on a project. It has little baring to this conversation Tigg…
 
He can be a Bishop and/or Cardinal but it doesn’t change things. We all, who follow Our Faith closely, many of times disagree amongst ourselves and between themselves. The one who’s idea leans closer to Christ’s teachings is usually the correct one. By your fruits you will be known, says the scriptures.

I saw the video and it’s a video on a project. It has little baring to this conversation Tigg…
I know your heart means well and you have a great love for the homeless. The problem is, on these many threads, you judge and accuse others of being unkind or not loving the poor who do not say or portray what you think the standard should be. You have even made implications that the Catholic Church does not do enough for the poor which is quite ludicrous imo, and then there is the thought that we should build more housing for them. This seems a noble idea on the surface but I can tell you that I have made it a point to actually talk with the homeless and try to get to know them while working in a soup kitchen and many, many of them panic at the thought of being contained in one place. Although to be homeless is an abhorrent idea to our way of thinking, many of them are actually free spirits who are happy and simple minded despite the hardships they suffer. Most of them do not even complain about their situation because it is their own free choice. Would you force them into your idea of what life should be like for them. Should we build shelters and have a curfew and tell them they need to be in bed by 10 pm and up for breakfast by 7am? Should we put them on schedules that they would hate which would infringe upon their personal freedom, but which would make us feel as though we are doing something good?

This is actually a very complex issue and we all do what we can for them in our own way, whether it be volunteering or writing a monthly check. But you cannot judge others on this forum based upon your own *emotional *assessment and my statement would be to the Church, to social justice groups and to all who are close to this issue, BEWARE that you are not actually slighting the poor by only taking into account their material needs. The complete human person needs much, much more than that.

Here is the actual link from Msgr Pope who is saying much the same thing :

courageouspriest.com/category/msgr-charles-pope
 
I am under no illusion that giving someone $20 is going to solve their problem.It will, however, bring a little joy into their life.
I wish I could package up some “joy” in a Christmas box with a big red bow and freely give it out. “Joy” to some might be in buying another bottle, to another getting a “fix” and yet to another in just having a full belly. But you keep on doing what you’re doing because I do understand your point and actually, really, can find no fault at all in what you’re saying.
 
I wish I could package up some “joy” in a Christmas box with a big red bow and freely give it out…
Give freely Tigg. God gives us everything for free even when we’re undeserving so give freely Tigg and don’t be restraint by your own prejudices.😉
 
I know your heart means well and you have a great love for the homeless. The problem is, on these many threads, you judge and accuse others of being unkind or not loving the poor who do not say or portray what you think the standard should be…
I know too that you mean well in your service to the poor and I’m glad you help out in your parish with them. Many are not ‘free spirits’ but they do what they have to do to survive even if that means living in the street. I have found that a lot of families can be harsh with them so the bottom line is many of times is not of their choice.
My concern is not mainly with their monetary needs as you may believe, it’s only because so many people argue and complain of giving money to them. They, those who don’t give $$ have a hard time letting it go for reasons good or bad. I believe it can be because they can’t freely give. Their attached to money. Now, if you decide to give to your parish by check or cash…so be it. Why do you feel you have to debate those who side with giving the poor what they may need even if it is cash.
 
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