Bush: The First Catholic President?

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Rand_Al_Thor said:
Nothing? Other than vetoing the embryonic stem cell funding bill, appointing pro-life justices to the supreme court, supporting abstinence education and supporting the partial birth abortion ban, yeah, I guess he has done nothing. :rolleyes:

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Rand
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One point on appointing pro-life justices. Judge Alito and Judge Roberts, were on a list of nominees that the GOP leaders recommend for appointment. On his own, George Bush would’ve chosen people who would never have made it to the bench, Harriet Myers was one of his nominees.

Jim
 
He may have some incidental agreements with the Church but he is far from Catholic. On to the next thread.
 
I have read Bush has seriously considered converting to the Catholic church after he leaves office. I cannot find where I read it. Perhaps his brother Jeb and the president have had some talks?
 
Esperance said:
I have read Bush has seriously considered converting to the Catholic church after he leaves office. I cannot find where I read it. Perhaps his brother Jeb and the president have had some talks?
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I wouldn’t be surprised. I can’t imagine how meeting with the Pope can’t have some effect on people, and certainly his brother is an influence…aren’t we all influenced by our family members?

However, I wouldn’t speculate too much. Just pray for him.
 
BTW, the title of the thread is incorrect. We’ve already had a Catholic president. Does anyone remember JFK? 😉

Jim
 
JFK was Catholic in name only. I think GWB is much more Catholic than JFK ever was.

My family prays for him and we basically consider him Catholic. We are almost positive that he will become Catholic, just as his friend Blair did. Wouldn’t that be wonderful.

My family supports most of his decisons, and we really liked him as president, my dad thinks that he should have just flatened Iraq and Afganistan, but we know that that would be too politically incorrect.
 
Margarite
regardless of what kind of Catholics you think JFK or Bush are, it still doesn’t change the inaccuracy of the thread title.:cool:

Jim
 
Margarite said:
my dad thinks that he should have just flatened Iraq and Afganistan, but we know that that would be too politically incorrect.
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Including the Iraqis and Afghanis? or not including them?
Just wondering.
 
Margarite said:
JFK was Catholic in name only. I think GWB is much more Catholic than JFK ever was.

My family prays for him and we basically consider him Catholic. We are almost positive that he will become Catholic, just as his friend Blair did. Wouldn’t that be wonderful.

My family supports most of his decisons, and we really liked him as president, my dad thinks that he should have just flatened Iraq and Afganistan, but we know that that would be too politically incorrect.
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Do we have the same dad?
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Margarite
regardless of what kind of Catholics you think JFK or Bush are, it still doesn’t change the inaccuracy of the thread title.:cool:

Jim
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The OP was referring to the fact that Clinton was styled as the “first black president” for including blacks in his administration, and in like vein, Bush could be said to be the first Catholic president because he has surrounded himself with many Catholic advisers. As another poster pointed out, though, FDR also had many Catholic advisers but he certainly had no intentions of converting.
 
Della said:
The OP was referring to the fact that Clinton was styled as the “first black president” for including blacks in his administration, and in like vein, Bush could be said to be the first Catholic president because he has surrounded himself with many Catholic advisers. As another poster pointed out, though, FDR also had many Catholic advisers but he certainly had no intentions of converting.
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Well, giving Bill Clinton the title, “first black president,” was also inaccurate, as people are finally starting to realize.

Jim
 
rlg94086 said:
Really? So, you know his heart then?
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His brother made the conversion. He has not. Why do we insist on calling him Catholic simply because he has moral agreements with the Church? He must profess the Catholic faith to be Catholic and to my knowledge he has not done so.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Well, giving Bill Clinton the title, “first black president,” was also inaccurate, as people are finally starting to realize.

Jim
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True. Clinton simply claimed the title for himself. I don’t think Bush has done the same with any group of people, to his credit. 😉
 
I think it’s interesting that when the Republican convention was in NYC in 2004 Bush asked Fr. Rutler (probably the priest referenced in the post article) to conduct a private prayer service at Our Saviour Church in Manhattan. What was originally a small affair ended up growing as more and more people wanted to be present. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Bush crossed the Tiber when his term is up.
 
Too bad Bush didn’t convert before he invaded Iraq. If he had, perhaps he wouldn’t have gotten us into the mess we’re in. But then, conversion to religion doesn’t necessarily mean a conversion of heart.

Jim
 
goofyjim said:
His brother made the conversion. He has not. Why do we insist on calling him Catholic simply because he has moral agreements with the Church? He must profess the Catholic faith to be Catholic and to my knowledge he has not done so.
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What do you mean “we,” Kimosabe? 😃

The author of an article made an argument that he “could” be called the “first Catholic president” in the same way Clinton called himself the “first black president.” No one is “insisting” on calling him Catholic, as far as I can tell. 🤷

You said “he is far from Catholic” though, which is a pretty bold statement. Without knowing what is going on in his faith life and in his heart, you don’t know that. All I am saying, is that I am praying for his conversion…as should we all, no? Or, are you against the idea of George W. Bush becoming a Catholic?
 
JimR-OCDS said:
BTW, the title of the thread is incorrect. We’ve already had a Catholic president. Does anyone remember JFK? 😉

Jim
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That was undestood within the article. The article actually refers to JFK being a Catholic. But Bush is the first one who has let Catholic saocial teaching influence his views on social issues. That is why it makes the statement that he is the first Catholic president. There should be no problem with a statement like this.It shouldn’t evoke confusion as it seems it has. When we see that Jesus is called the vine in scripture we do not argue, ‘no He actually wasn’t a vine, He was a man.’ Of course Christ was a man but that is not the point. Associating Bush with Catholics is a similar type of concept. Metaphysically he might not be a Catholic but they are making the claim that he is a closet Catholic. You might disagree with the association but there is no point saying it is wrong because JFK was actually the first, it misses the point.
 
jimmy said:
That was undestood within the article. The article actually refers to JFK being a Catholic. But Bush is the first one who has let Catholic saocial teaching influence his views on social issues. That is why it makes the statement that he is the first Catholic president. There should be no problem with a statement like this.It shouldn’t evoke confusion as it seems it has. When we see that Jesus is called the vine in scripture we do not argue, ‘no He actually wasn’t a vine, He was a man.’ Of course Christ was a man but that is not the point. Associating Bush with Catholics is a similar type of concept. Metaphysically he might not be a Catholic but they are making the claim that he is a closet Catholic. You might disagree with the association but there is no point saying it is wrong because JFK was actually the first, it misses the point.
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lol - I think you dealt with that quite thoroughly.

He sees God in the eyes of the Pope? How could he not convert?
 
i think he’ll be catholic one day. his brother is and he was deeply moved at the funeral of JPII. he also says he likes catholicism’s absolute moral authority. anyone who says he sees God in the eyes of the pope is bound to be catholic.

or he’s just pretending to get catholics to like him, which i don’t believe is the case.
 
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