Bush: The First Catholic President?

[rlg94086]

I’m not about to judge his soul and say he’s hellbound but simply agreeing with Catholic principles does not make one Catholic. So cease and desist. He is not a Catholic president.

There is no reason to cease and desist. No one is claiming he is actually Catholic.

BTW…ignore the poster previous to you. He wasn’t making a comment about President Bush…he thinks you and I are hellbound, as well. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3586758#post3586758

 

[Della]

BTW…ignore the poster previous to you. He wasn’t making a comment about President Bush…he thinks you and I are hellbound, as well. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3586758#post3586758

It’s the “everyone’s pixilated except us” argument, isn’t it, then.

As to GWB, I’m not sure he could ever bring himself to “cross the Tiber.” But, he is open to being influenced by Catholic thought, and that is certainly a good thing, IMHO.

 

[aimee]

Well its the protocol for the leaders of a nation to meet the Pope, when he visits.

On the issue of Supreme Court appointees, in fairness, it wasn’t Bush who selected them. He was given a list of candidates, by the GOP leadership. On his own, Bush picked Harriet Myers.

Jim

It may be protocol but President Bush is the first president of US to greet the Pope.

 

[BamaRider]

There is no reason to cease and desist. No one is claiming he is actually Catholic.

BTW…ignore the poster previous to you. He wasn’t making a comment about President Bush…he thinks you and I are hellbound, as well. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=3586758#post3586758

Dang, goofyjim got on a roll…LOL. From the tone of that post Jimbo would be upset if the President did convert???

I’m thinkin if the President went Methodist>Epsicopal>Catholic would be logical. I think it would be hard for him to understand all the stuff goin on in the Episcopal Church currently, especially with his views on abortion and the morality of homosexuality.

He was the first President to greet the Holy Father at the airport, and when asked what he saw when he looked in his eyes, he repsonded “God.” So it is possible, especially with the help of Jeb.

 

[rlg94086]

Dang, goofyjim got on a roll…LOL. From the tone of that post Jimbo would be upset if the President did convert???

I’m thinkin if the President went Methodist>Epsicopal>Catholic would be logical. I think it would be hard for him to understand all the stuff goin on in the Episcopal Church currently, especially with his views on abortion and the morality of homosexuality.

He was the first President to greet the Holy Father at the airport, and when asked what he saw when he looked in his eyes, he repsonded “God.” So it is possible, especially with the help of Jeb.

Absolutely. I thought the same thing, when I saw the interview on EWTN.

The primary point of the OP is not about his conversion though, it is just showing that his presidency has had the closest relationship with the Vatican and the papacy in US history…much to the chagrin of Catholics who hate him apparently.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Absolutely. I thought the same thing, when I saw the interview on EWTN.

The primary point of the OP is not about his conversion though, it is just showing that his presidency has had the closest relationship with the Vatican and the papacy in US history…much to the chagrin of Catholics who hate him apparently.

I believe Ronald Reagan had a closer relationship with the Vatican.

Jim

 

[goofyjim]

Dang, goofyjim got on a roll…LOL. From the tone of that post Jimbo would be upset if the President did convert???

I’m thinkin if the President went Methodist>Epsicopal>Catholic would be logical. I think it would be hard for him to understand all the stuff goin on in the Episcopal Church currently, especially with his views on abortion and the morality of homosexuality.

He was the first President to greet the Holy Father at the airport, and when asked what he saw when he looked in his eyes, he repsonded “God.” So it is possible, especially with the help of Jeb.

You read in too much. I would not be in the least upset if he converted. But he hasn’t so he isn’t Catholic.

 

[rlg94086]

I believe Ronald Reagan had a closer relationship with the Vatican.

Jim

Now your talking! Obviously missed in the OP (and by me ). I found an interview about their relationship:
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_/ai_n13634133

I especially like this part…

How would you compare the President and the pope? Do you think they shared common personal characteristics, or a common political outlook?

CLARK: The pope and the President shared the view that each had been given a spiritual mission-a special role in the divine plan of life. Both are deeply prayerful-in Reagan’s case, without public display. Several times, President Reagan applied to himself the words of Abraham Lincoln: “I am frequently forced to my knees in the overwhelming conviction that I have no place else to go.”

These common characteristics became apparent on the occasion when the two men came together at the Vatican in June 1982, to pray together and to talk about life. That meeting, you may remember, came after each man had survived a near-fatal assassination attempt-in two shootings that took place just six weeks apart.

The two men discussed the unity of their spiritual views and their concern for not only the terrible oppression of atheistic communism, but also for the excesses of unbridled capitalism. Ronald Reagan never attacked capitalism as such-nor has the Holy Father, really-but rather he often reminded business and commerce leaders that the private sector must act more aggressively to meet public needs, since the alternative is an unhealthy government paternalism.

 

[Elzee]

This was the second time I have heard President Bush say that the Pope has ascended to the ‘chair of Peter’. Once after JPII’s death, and when he greeted B16 at the White House. That’s a pretty Catholic thing to say…I don’t know any Protestant who would admit that the Pope is the successor to Peter.

 

[aimee]

This was the second time I have heard President Bush say that the Pope has ascended to the ‘chair of Peter’. Once after JPII’s death, and when he greeted B16 at the White House. That’s a pretty Catholic thing to say…I don’t know any Protestant who would admit that the Pope is the successor to Peter.

Well, Pres Bush brother Jeb Bush is catholic and a Knight of C…so .he is familiar with catholics

 

[Sure]

It’s also interesting that he constantly calls him the “Holy Father” and not “the Pope” or “Pope Benedict” like the media does.

 

[BamaRider]

It’s also interesting that he constantly calls him the “Holy Father” and not “the Pope” or “Pope Benedict” like the media does.

I hadn’t noticed that, but he does.

 

[Shoshana]

Now your talking! Obviously missed in the OP (and by me ). I found an interview about their relationship:
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_/ai_n13634133

I especially like this part…

I have read much about the relationship of Presiednt Reagan and John Paul 2. I must admit I was REALLY impressed. Although they have also had their little squirmishes…

 

[Dwyer]

As far as I remember:

Bush Achievements:

1. Vetoed Federal Tax dollars going to fund babykilling Stem Cell “Research” twice. Very good, Mr. President!
2. Appoints Roberts to U.S. Supreme Court; when pushed by Conservative supporters, his pick for his second Supreme Court Justice, Harriet Miers, was replaced with Alito.
3. Bill Outlawing Partial Birth Abortion passed.
4. Helped Terry Schiavo(?)? get Federal Judicial review of Florida Supreme Court decision.; I’m pretty sure he did.
5. Welcomes Pope Benedict

Bush Failures

1. Knowingly Nominated new FDA Commissioner who supported Abortion Pill (“Emergency Contraception”) without a prescription.

–This is a major expansion of abortion on demand in our country and conflicts with Catholic moral teaching and adds another contraception product to the market, one that kills a newly conceived human being (yeah, I know there’s probably some out there that do not believe that, and I don’t want to get into it on this thread).

Happened shortly after vetoing the first babykilling Stem Cell “Research” Bill ; IMO, really awful move on Bush’s part.

1a) Doing this caused and causes problems for Pro-life Pharmacists across the U.S., some of whom are fired in disputes with their employers at pharmacies.

1. Bush promised to appoint Justices “in the mold of Scalia and Thomas.”

Second Supreme Court nominee White House Chief of Staff Harriet Miers was in the mold of no one because she had never served as a judge.

Bush only appointed Alito after enough Conservative groups raised a ruckus

1. Couldn’t get Protection of Marriage Constitutional Amendment passed.

These are the most well-known; there’s one or two others, but I’d probably need to post some documentation for those.

 

[MelanieAnne]

You have know idea how much I loathe Bush.

And the principle of subsidiary is overrated – some people need a managerial state to survive.

How can you loathe someone you don’t even know?

You can loathe what they do, to the extent you know what that is, you can loathe their decisions, to the extent that you know what they are, but unless you know them personally, how can you loathe THEM?

I’m not Bush apologist, but it seems preposterous that anyone can loathe someone they have never met.

 

[BamaRider]

So where ya been MelanieAnnie?

 

[MelanieAnne]

But… he didn’t finish reading it, he even said so. Yes, Jeb converted when he married his Catholic wife.

That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that. The President is an avid reader, he’s said to read 1-2 books per week, at least that’s what I heard once in an interview. It’s a surprise to hear that they started, but didn’t finish a book, unless he just hadn’t finished it YET.

 

[MelanieAnne]

So where ya been MelanieAnnie?

Choir Practice?

 

[MelanieAnne]

I didn’t go back and read all the posts (kinda lazy) so if this has been answered don’t get upset, but what is the President’s current Church address? Episcopal?

President Bush is a Methodist

 

[Lovemyfaith]

I would love to see the president become catholic. Of course, I would love to see everyone become catholic.

I have taken such comfort in the times when President Bush has noted that he prays. The media has been hard on him because of it, but he hasn’t backed down.