J
Jeanne_S
Guest
On the lighter side…it will be fun to keep a running tally of his daily gaffes.He no doubt won’t disappoint
By what authority did five major US States simultaneously stop counting votes?
- Status
M
Maximian
Guest
Remember that after the Nazi annexation of Austria, they held a referendum. The ballot papers were traceable and those who voted no were recorded by the Gestapo for later use.
H
HarryStotle
Guest
There was actually a psychological purpose for it. The idea was to prep the electorate that the red wave they saw before the election night ended was merely a “mirage” that would disappear in the following days.
The fact that it was Fox that called it was to give credibility to it. It is media manipulation and the pollster were pretty much in on it, despite that the actual evidence for their “Biden being way up” polling was non-existent.
I can provide links to a pollster in Florida who called the 2016 election for Trump and clearly lays out the case that the media polls are fake to set a particular psychological expectation or expected narrative before the fact.
It is all very technical because it gets into the granular details of county and precinct and why the results are very suspicious. Most people wouldn’t be interested and wouldn’t likely follow the logic of the argument so it won’t be compelling for those who merely have feelings or instincts about who won.
FYI the analyst at Fox who called Arizona for Biden early was Arnon Mishkin a political consultant that was hired by Fox but is aD Democrat with ties to all kinds of leading Democrat politicians.
Last edited:
J
JanR
Guest
And the whole idea behind that was to make people afraid to vote so they would stop voting, altogether, and all checks and balances would be eliminated.
I would hate to see that happening in this country.
M
Maximian
Guest
No, that’s not correct. The Annexation was very popular and the Nazis were not afraid of losing the vote. Even if they had, they would have held on by force. They concealed the fact that they were tracing the ballots by typing the reference number on the back of the ballot paper using a typewriter without a ribbon. The voters did not realize they could be traced at the time.
B
Balto1
Guest
It’s really fantastic the people on the right are still getting upset that Arnon Mishkin is a legitimate pollster who calls it as he sees it and gives credit to Fox’s respected polling operation. This takes me back to the halcyon days of 2012 when Mishkin (accurately) calling Ohio for Obama caused a Karl Rove meltdown.
Last edited:
V
Victoria33
Guest
Debatable. Check Arizona.
Last edited:
V
Victoria33
Guest
This sentiment is understandable.
On the other hand, I’m not going to shut out the direct words of a lot of folks on twitter, what some personality says and so on. Yes, I"d be careful of fast and loose information.
I’m not looking for news stories on twitter, that’s an individual’s own choice.
Twitter would not be that different than picking up what someone says on TV.
The internet, all kinds of places are dubious.
A news network says something, it has quite a bit more credence but is still not failsafe.
Last edited:
T
ThinkingSapien
Guest
Republicans trend more to voting the day-of while democrats are more likely to use absentee voting. These differences were exacerbated by differences in responses to COVID-19 and by Trump encouraging his supporters to use in-person voting.
As many states have rules that prevent the absentee ballots from being processed prior to election day, and since paper voting takes longer to process, the “Blue Shift” is the result of having many of the Biden votes in the ballots that would be processed later while many of the Trump voted being in the group that were tallied the day of.
P
phil3
Guest
If you place the lowest at 35,000 and the highest at 200,000. That would make congress with about 1,600 memebers
P
phil3
Guest
You might be correct, they will say do you see any evidence of votes being printed after the election was over? They are not saying there were no “extra” votes just they were not printed during the “shut down”.
Trump is going to walk away from this smelling like a rose. I read a article in which he should start his own news station or buy a conservative news outlet.
Trump is going to walk away from this smelling like a rose. I read a article in which he should start his own news station or buy a conservative news outlet.
H
HarryStotle
Guest
You are deflecting. Fox and Mishkin weren’t so “accurate” calling Arizona as early as they did. It could not have been a mistake because the data wasn’t there to support the call. It was far too early and you know it. There had to be another motivation for doing so. Analysts are not that clueless, but they are motivated. And Mishkin is.
Last edited:
H
HarryStotle
Guest
That doesn’t explain Fox and Mishkin being so wrong for calling Arizona when they did. However, such a call is explicable if they knew something in advance and were gushing in their enthusiasm that they couldn’t hold back. I.e., that Arizona wasn’t so out of reach that a little hocus pocus couldn’t dampen the red wave and make it a mirage.HarryStotle:
Republicans trend more to voting the day-of while democrats are more likely to use absentee voting. These differences were exacerbated by differences in responses to COVID-19 and by Trump encouraging his supporters to use in-person voting.
As many states have rules that prevent the absentee ballots from being processed prior to election day, and since paper voting takes longer to process, the “Blue Shift” is the result of having many of the Biden votes in the ballots that would be processed later while many of the Trump voted being in the group that were tallied the day of.
Analysts wouldn’t just “call” a state absent hard data.
As Biden himself said, "…we have the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization…
Apparently so “inclusive” that it includes some on the right.
Last edited:
H
HarryStotle
Guest
Ballots didn’t need to be printed after close, they just needed to be available to be tabulated in adequate numbers to change things.
T
ThinkingSapien
Guest
Just as it doesn’t explain why the fortune teller down the street was wrong. The prediction faults of onlookers isn’t of relevance.
H
HarryStotle
Guest
Mishkin and Fox were merely “onlookers”? Innocent bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time? Uh huh.HarryStotle:
Just as it doesn’t explain why the fortune teller down the street was wrong. The prediction faults of onlookers isn’t of relevance.
I suppose the pollsters will take exception to you comparing them to “fortune tellers down the street.” But we’ll make note of that comment for the next time you cite a pollster.
Last edited:
P
phil3
Guest
my point is, when the counting started and Trump was going to win, they stopped counting to add the hundreds of thousands of ballots for biden.
H
HarryStotle
Guest
Oh, I agree that is what they did.
It is interesting that the states that were most in play were those that delayed counting during the night.
T
ThinkingSapien
Guest
Why did you add the word “merely”?
They are spectators and speculators. I don’t know why you are using victim wording. It looks out of place.
If it makes anyone feel better, I could choose some other predictive entity that has no relevance and juxtapose them with that. How about "Just as it doesn’t explain why this A.I. predictive model was wrong.The prediction faults of onlookers isn’t of relevance. "
k_hand:t4::+1:t6:
H
HarryStotle
Guest
Oh quit it. You know Mishkin and Fox were either grossly incompetent and don’t deserve to be considered legitimate analysts after that debacle, or something else entirely is in play.HarryStotle:
Why did you add the word “merely”?
They are spectators and speculators. I don’t know why you are using victim wording. It looks out of place.
If it makes anyone feel better, I could choose some other predictive entity that has no relevance and juxtapose them with that. How about "Just as it doesn’t explain why this A.I. predictive model was wrong.The prediction faults of onlookers isn’t of relevance. "
The last decade has been the big tech oligarchs and political/cultural elites running a vast human experiment to see what they can get away with next in terms of gaslighting the population.
We have succeeded at making a completely bumbling Joe Biden the most popular elected president ever. So what’s next? Hey, I know… a compelling case for gold being radioactive and deadly so the innocents will merely turn it over to us in mass quantities?
Last edited:
- Status