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Aramis
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Indeed he did. We have no metropolitan at the moment. Pray for Rome and the hierarchs to jointly come to a wise agreement on our next Metropolitan, quickly and quietly.
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smad0142
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What do you mean we don’t do the Divine Liturgy? We most definately do. The book is titled the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. It has the approval of the UGCC hierarchy.
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ConstantineTG
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Sorry, I should have put quotes on it. “The Divine Liturgy: An Anthology for Worship” is a book. Here’s the link to the book:
ustpaul.ca/Sheptytsky/pubs/publications_main.htm
You’d have to scroll down a bit. Although it does look like most other books for DL
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smad0142
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That looks like the one we use.
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Universal
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Today it was my first time at one of their “Divine Liturgy” celebrations (the equivalent of our Mass). It was great.
I think, though, that they didn’t state (singing) that the Holy Spirit comes from the Son also – that’s why I posted a question for the apologists today.
Other than that, very, very nice. I hope you enjoyed it too.
Regards,
Universal
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ConstantineTG
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The Pope has allowed that Eastern Catholics stick to the pre-Filioque Nicene Creed
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ConstantineTG
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Curious, I don’t recall there ever been anything in there that calls for kneeling.
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5Loaves
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glad to hear the Byzantine Catholic Church you visited was true to our venerable patrimony.
Also, when prayed in the original Greek there is no “filioque”-- His Holiness Benedict XVI and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I pray it together here in the original Greek.
Universal - Welcome to the CAF.
Glad to hear the Byzantine Catholic Church you visited was true to our venerable patrimony.
Also, when prayed in the original Greek there is no “filioque”-- His Holiness Benedict XVI and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I pray it together here in the original Greek.
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rben20
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I attended my first Divine Liturgy this Sunday and I must say I am very impressed and loved the Mass. What a great Liturgy and interesting customs. I have always loved iconography and this particular church was covered in icons. Beautiful! Lots of incense, crossing (reverse for you Latin Catholics), receiving the Eucharist, leavened bread received on a spoon…I could go on and on. The priest and community were VERY NICE. They flagged me down pretty easily, could smell the blood haha. When I got lost to find some hymns (only happened 3 times, not bad for a first timer
) the laity helped me find my place. The Divine Liturgy is so easy to follow. How old is this Liturgy by the way Eastern Christians? I very much enjoyed my experience and hope I can go again soon. After this weekend, I’d like to experience other Eastern Liturgies in the future! Now I am back to my current city that only has NO Masses with protestant hymns 
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ConstantineTG
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St. John Chrysostom’s Divine Liturgy dates back to around 500 AD I think.I attended my first Divine Liturgy this Sunday and I must say I am very impressed and loved the Mass. What a great Liturgy and interesting customs. I have always loved iconography and this particular church was covered in icons. Beautiful! Lots of incense, crossing (reverse for you Latin Catholics), receiving the Eucharist, leavened bread received on a spoon…I could go on and on. The priest and community were VERY NICE. They flagged me down pretty easily, could smell the blood haha. When I got lost to find some hymns (only happened 3 times, not bad for a first timer
I know its easy to stick out in an Eastern Parish. It usually is a small community plus it also usually is from the same ethnic background as where the Church is from. Glad you were warmly received.
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davidwilsoon
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Also I’m curious about the kissing of the Book of Gospels. Before the Gospel reading the priest bring the book outside the iconostasis and presents it. Then our subdeacon brings his kids and they lineup and kiss the Gospel. Can I do it sometimes? Although I feel ackward because its mostly the kids who do it.(I agree with all you saidjust not quoting it all.)
There are also some fairly recent threads here on this topic.
I think that 12 Things I Wish I’d Known…First Visit to an Orthodox Church is a good piece to read. Our liturgy is the same so although Khouria Frederica is writing about visiting an Orthodox Church the Divine Liturgy is the same in an ECC.
You mention you’re going to visit a Ruthenian parish. This reminds me that Fr. Tom Loya is a Ruthenian priest. Are you familiar with his weekly radio program “Light of the East”? It’s archived here. His programs deal with our EC/OC traditions, not only the Ruthenians. He has a lot of experience with Latin Catholics and with Orthodox Christians as well.
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rben20
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So amoungst the other Eastern Catholics, is the St. John Chrysostom liturgy the only one used or are there others? The Divine Liturgy is the St. John Cysostom liturgy correct?
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ConstantineTG
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Its called the “Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom”
The other one in wide usage is the “Divine Liturgy of St. Basil the Great” which is used during special feast days and the 5 Sundays of Lent.
Unlike the OF and EF of the Roman Rite which are used exclusively (independent from one another all the time), the Divine Liturgy of St. Basil are used interchangably given the occassion. Its kind of like saying in the Roman Rite we have the OF exclusively everywhere, but during Christmas and Easter its the EF exclusively everywhere. Or like in Easter Vigil its a slightly different, longer Mass
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rben20
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Wow. I always assumed there were many liturgies spread out over all the 21 churches. I guess the only difference is the customs and music here and there right?
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countertenor
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No across the various Eastern Catholic Churches there are more than just the DL of St. John and the DL of St. Basil. There is also that of St. James, of which there is the west syriac version and I think a greek version. Then the the syro-malabaras follow the east syriac liturgy, and the chaldean’s and assyrians also have their own divine liturgy. The Maronites are also west-syriac, but their liturgy is different than the other west syriac churches.
I’m sure I’ms till leaving others off.
I’m sure I’ms till leaving others off.
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rben20
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So the DL of St. John and the DL of St. Basil is specific to the Byzantine Rite?
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countertenor
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Yes
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Aramis
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the Older and longer DL of St. Basil the Great adds 10-30 minutes due to a longer anaphora and a couple of longer glorifications of the Theotokos.
The DL of St James the Just is the oldest in use; Not all byzantines use it, but the Melkites certainly do.
The other Rites have their own liturgical traditions; The Quorbono/Qurbana, the Coptic Liturgies of St Mark and St Basil, the Armenian Badarak, The Ethiopian services…
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ConstantineTG
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Yahoo! I got a copy of “The Divine Liturgy: An Anthology of Worship”
Can’t wait to go home and read it. Although I forgot to ask Father to bless it
Can’t wait to go home and read it. Although I forgot to ask Father to bless it
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ConstantineTG
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The Rites would be the liturgical tradition a sui juris Church would adhere to. The Byzantine Rite is used by 14 sui juris Churches. The other Rites would be the Western Syriac, Eastern Syriac/Chaldean, Armenian and Alexandrian. In the case of Armenian and Roman Rites, they are only used in one sui juris Church, although we all know that the Roman Church has the largest population so it has wider usage. But in terms of number of sui juris Churches that adhere to a Rite, the Byzantine Rite is used by more Churches.
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