Byzantine Catholic Church

[Vico]

Alexandria (rite of St. Mark) and Antioch (rite of St. James, from rite of Jerusalem) are the starting-points of the two original Eastern rites. The Roman liturgies also derived from Antioch. (Per the writings of Adrian Fortescue.)

Including Eastern Catholic, Assyrian, Oriental, and Eastern Orthodox there are many liturgies from the various traditions.

Antiocene:
Liturgy of Saint James

Alexandrian:
Liturgy of Saint Cyril (St. Mark)
Liturgy of Saint Basil (Coptic)
Liturgy of St. Gregory of Naziansus

Byzantine:
Liturgy of Saint James
Liturgy of Saint Basil
Liturgy of Saint John Chrysotsom
Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts

Armenian:
Liturgy of Saint Gregory (Lit. of Saint Basil)

Chaldean:
Liturgy of Mar Addai & Mar Mari
Liturgy of Mar Theodore of Mopsuestia
Liturgy of Nestorius

Roman:
Extraordinary Form Roman Mass (Tridentine 1962)
Ordinary Form Roman Mass (Paul VI)
Anglican Use
Ambrosian (Milan)
Mozarabic (Spain)
Bracarensis (Portugal)
Carthusian (1981)
Mass of the Presanctified (Good Friday - rite of Commemoration of the Lord’s Passion)

 

[Universal]

The Pope has allowed that Eastern Catholics stick to the pre-Filioque Nicene Creed

Hello. Thanks for the info. Do you know which Pope was this? (I suppose the one that was on the papal chair when the byzantines reunited with the Catholic Church.)

I guess it’s OK also to use leavened bread for consecrating.

Regards

 

[Universal]

I attended my first Divine Liturgy this Sunday and I must say I am very impressed and loved the Mass. What a great Liturgy and interesting customs. I have always loved iconography and this particular church was covered in icons. Beautiful! Lots of incense, crossing (reverse for you Latin Catholics), receiving the Eucharist, leavened bread received on a spoon…I could go on and on. The priest and community were VERY NICE. They flagged me down pretty easily, could smell the blood haha. When I got lost to find some hymns (only happened 3 times, not bad for a first timer ) the laity helped me find my place. The Divine Liturgy is so easy to follow. How old is this Liturgy by the way Eastern Christians? I very much enjoyed my experience and hope I can go again soon. After this weekend, I’d like to experience other Eastern Liturgies in the future! Now I am back to my current city that only has NO Masses with protestant hymns

About the same here. Had to get help from a lady that knew the songs, the pace and the sequence inside out. It was some sort of a “divine, mystic spectacle” we all were part of. The one and a half hours went by pretty quick.

I too hope to be able to attend these Divine Eastern Liturgies more often.

Regards,
Universal

 

[ConstantineTG]

Hello. Thanks for the info. Do you know which Pope was this? (I suppose the one that was on the papal chair when the byzantines reunited with the Catholic Church.)

I thought this was a pretty fairly recent development but apparently its been there for a long time.

I guess it’s OK also to use leavened bread for consecrating.

Regards

Again, the Popes have always respected age-old tradition. It was never a doctrine of the Church anyway that one form of bread is necessary for consecration. At various times in the history of the Church in many places either leavened or unleavened was used until it was standardized at some point in the history of each particular Church.

 

[5Loaves]

Roman:
Extraordinary Form Roman Mass (Tridentine 1962)
Ordinary Form Roman Mass (Paul VI)
Anglican Use
Ambrosian (Milan)
Mozarabic (Spain)
Bracarensis (Portugal)
Carthusian (1981)
Mass of the Presanctified (Good Friday - rite of Commemoration of the Lord’s Passion)

I think the Dominican is a Dominican Rite, but correct me if I’ve got that wrong. I know at their parish in Seattle they celebrate it at least annually.

 

[Aramis]

I think the Dominican is a Dominican Rite, but correct me if I’ve got that wrong. I know at their parish in Seattle they celebrate it at least annually.

Yes, it’s a separate western Rite, just like the Ambrosian, Mozarabic, and Bragan… except that it’s nominally restricted to Dominican Friars’ celebrations of the Mass.

There are some other “monastic rites”… but they are not in stable use in the same way that the Dominican is.

The Dominican is used in Anchorage monthly. Friar Vincent uses it monthly.

The Carmelite and Carthusian are not commonly used since V II

 

[Alexander_Roman]

Yes, it’s a separate western Rite, just like the Ambrosian, Mozarabic, and Bragan… except that it’s nominally restricted to Dominican Friars’ celebrations of the Mass.

There are some other “monastic rites”… but they are not in stable use in the same way that the Dominican is.

The Dominican is used in Anchorage monthly. Friar Vincent uses it monthly.

The Carmelite and Carthusian are not commonly used since V II

The Benedictines have their own rite/usage for celebrating the Daily Office in accordance with the Rule of St Benedict.

But I’m starting to get confused here - are we talking about “Rites” or “Usages?” What really is the difference between the two?

Alex

 

[Vico]

The Benedictines have their own rite/usage for celebrating the Daily Office in accordance with the Rule of St Benedict.

But I’m starting to get confused here - are we talking about “Rites” or “Usages?” What really is the difference between the two?

Alex

I noticed the question about use. Merriam-Webster use:

“2b : a liturgical form or observance; especially : a liturgy having modifications peculiar to a local church or religious order”

 

[Alexander_Roman]

So “use” might be defined as a liturgical variant of what is essentially the same “Rite” (Latin or Byzantine, for example). And where “Rite” means an entirely distinct “litugical culture?”

Alex

 

[Aramis]

The Benedictines have their own rite/usage for celebrating the Daily Office in accordance with the Rule of St Benedict.

But I’m starting to get confused here - are we talking about “Rites” or “Usages?” What really is the difference between the two?

Alex

In the west, it’s a blurry line.

The various western “Rites” and “Uses” generally are all more properly subrites. Each has a complete missal and breviary of its own, as well as a distinct (tho oft suppressed) calendar and canon of saints.

They all fall under the Patrimony of Rome, and thus are properly of the Roman Rite, but long standing use of the term Rite instead of Use means that they are grandfathered the term. The Mozarabic, Bragan, and Ambrosian are separate Ritual Churches that are not sui iuris.

This old Roman tradition of separate missals by province comes to a screeching halt with Trent, but it had been under siege from Rome for centuries before that.

 

[ciero]

Yes, it’s a separate western Rite, just like the Ambrosian, Mozarabic, and Bragan… except that it’s nominally restricted to Dominican Friars’ celebrations of the Mass.

There are some other “monastic rites”… but they are not in stable use in the same way that the Dominican is.

The Dominican is used in Anchorage monthly. Friar Vincent uses it monthly.

The Carmelite and Carthusian are not commonly used since V II

When I visited the Carthusian Charterhouse in Vermont a few years ago, they were still using the Carthusian Rite of the Mass, and were proud that for a long time after Vatican II they were the ONLY monastic order permitted to use their own rite. The Dominicans are only just reviving the use of their rite. There is talk of other monastic rites being revived as well…lets pray that it happens.

 

[5Loaves]

The Dominicans are only just reviving the use of their rite. There is talk of other monastic rites being revived as well…lets pray that it happens.

It was my understanding from a Dominican priest who spoke about the use in Seattle that when HH Benedict XVI issued the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum that the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite may be freely celebrated that the OPs asked for clarification and received it, that their rite, and other Latin rites, likewise may be freely celebrated. See the final paragraphs of the link I provided in my previous post for more on that. Just as there is now are growing number of parishes and communities celebrating the EF of the Roman Rite since the *Motu Proprio * the Dominican who spoke with me about it saw it as a chance for them to begin celebrating (learning to celebrate) it more often.

Clarification from the Holy See was coming, and perhaps the Master knew that it was on the horizon. Already before May of 2009, a friar of the American Eastern Province had submitted a question to the Ecclesia Dei Commission, asking what the Holy Father’s intention in issuing Summorum Pontificum applied to the Dominican and other Latin religious order rites. On June 27, 2009, Msgr. Camille Perl, replied by letter (no. 86/209) that:

The generous provision made by Our Holy Father’s Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum of 7 July 2007 applies to the other Latin rites as well. . . . Therefore there is no difficulty from our side about priests of the Order of Preachers celebrating the Dominican Rite in use in 1962.

 

[Aramis]

The Western Dominican Priory has been “reviving” the Dominican rite since before V II. In my youth (70’s and 80’s), several Dominican friars were using it regularly, for private masses. Plus, in the 70’s, Dominicans of the WDP received formal permission to use the Dominican Propers with the OF missal… creating a hybrid ritual.

What they have received of late is permission to use the Dominican Missal for public masses, not just their internal use. Note that other priories had dropped it, but the WDP had not.

Sources: personal conversations with Frs. John Fearon, Donald Bramble, and Anthony Patalano.

 

[rben20]

Which ethnic Churches fall under the Byzantine Rite? Would the Russians primarily fall under this rite?

 

[magdalina]

My name is Maggie and I’m a Roman Catholic.

On most Sunday’s I assist the TLM at a diocesan parish.

After mass this Sunday, I visited a nearby Byzantine parish and attended my first Divine Liturgy. The parish [according their brochure] is organized under the Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Province of Pittsburgh, PA and Diocese of Van Nuys, CA. They celebrate the Divine Liturgy according to the Ruthenian tradition of the Byzantine Rite.

Overall the experience was positive and I am interested is visiting again in the future. In the meantime, I want to do a bit of homework to prepare myself.

There was a liturgical book in the the pews that contained what looked like an outline of the liturgy with rubrics, hymns with musical notation, propers for some of the feasts, other prayers, etc. Is there a published book that contains the complete ordinary, propers, rubrics of the Byzantine-Ruthenian Divine Liturgy [or Liturgies]? Perhaps something like the equivalent of a “Missal” for the Byzantine-Ruthenian Divine Liturgy?

If so, what is it called and where can I obtain one?

 

[5Loaves]

Maggie-

Welcome to the EC section.

… The parish [according their brochure] is organized under the Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Province of Pittsburgh, PA and Diocese of Van Nuys, CA. They celebrate the Divine Liturgy according to the Ruthenian tradition of the Byzantine Rite…
Is there a published book that contains the complete ordinary, propers, rubrics of the Byzantine-Ruthenian Divine Liturgy [or Liturgies]? Perhaps something like the equivalent of a “Missal” for the Byzantine-Ruthenian Divine Liturgy?

You might take a look at a recent thread Is there a “GIRM” for the Divine Liturgy?.

Many recommend, which I agree, when assisting at the Divine Liturgy just listen, watch and join in when you can. As you will have seen there is a great deal of repetition and one can quickly begin to participate in the chant and postures.

There are a number of threads here about going to DL for the first time which might have helpful information, one being What can I expect at a Byzantine liturgy?.

Khouria Frederica Mathewes-Green wrote a piece some time back which many have found helpful: 12 Things I Wish I’d Known…. She’s Orthodox but our Divine Liturgy is the same and she address issues about appropriate behavior in the DL.

St. Elias Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church has some very useful material in a variety of topics on their website under Church Etiquette.

If you are not familiar with Light of the East Radio you might listen to some of the archived programs. Fr. Loya is a Ruthenian priest.

If you have other EC parishes in your area you might look for one without pews. Find-a-Parish

I think the Eparchy/Diocese of Van Nuys is now Holy Protection of Mary Byzantine Catholic Eparchy of Phoenix.

If you look back through the threads here you might also find other topics of interest to you.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Which ethnic Churches fall under the Byzantine Rite? Would the Russians primarily fall under this rite?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Rite#Greek-Catholic_Churches

Albanian Greek-Catholic Church
Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
Croatian Greek Catholic Church
Greek Byzantine Catholic Church*
Melkite Greek Catholic Church()
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
Macedonian Greek Catholic Church
Romanian Church United with Rome, Greek-Catholic
Russian Catholic Church
Ruthenian Catholic Church
Slovak Greek Catholic Church
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church(*)

 

[ConstantineTG]

My name is Maggie and I’m a Roman Catholic.

On most Sunday’s I assist the TLM at a diocesan parish.

After mass this Sunday, I visited a nearby Byzantine parish and attended my first Divine Liturgy. The parish [according their brochure] is organized under the Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Province of Pittsburgh, PA and Diocese of Van Nuys, CA. They celebrate the Divine Liturgy according to the Ruthenian tradition of the Byzantine Rite.

Overall the experience was positive and I am interested is visiting again in the future. In the meantime, I want to do a bit of homework to prepare myself.

When I went the first time it was just to experience it. The last month I went 3-of-5 Sundays and one weekday. It was truly an awesome experience. I love it.

What do you find in particular that you love? I love the 5-senses of worship. The smell of incense, the chanted Liturgy, kissing the Icons, seeing all the Icons in front and around the parish, and receiving under both kinds which enhances the sign of the Eucharist.

There was a liturgical book in the the pews that contained what looked like an outline of the liturgy with rubrics, hymns with musical notation, propers for some of the feasts, other prayers, etc. Is there a published book that contains the complete ordinary, propers, rubrics of the Byzantine-Ruthenian Divine Liturgy [or Liturgies]? Perhaps something like the equivalent of a “Missal” for the Byzantine-Ruthenian Divine Liturgy?

If so, what is it called and where can I obtain one?

You’d have to search where to get the book. I go to an Ukrainian parish and they have their own DL book. The Divine Liturgy is pretty much standard but there may be minor differences. The musical sets may be different depending on the Church. I got mine from the parish, why not call their parish office and ask if they sell copies of the book? Or check their website?

 

[Vico]

…There was a liturgical book in the the pews that contained what looked like an outline of the liturgy with rubrics, hymns with musical notation, propers for some of the feasts, other prayers, etc. Is there a published book that contains the complete ordinary, propers, rubrics of the Byzantine-Ruthenian Divine Liturgy [or Liturgies]? Perhaps something like the equivalent of a “Missal” for the Byzantine-Ruthenian Divine Liturgy?

If so, what is it called and where can I obtain one?

Faithful’s Book For The Divine Liturgy - 2006 is available for $15 from Byzantine Seminary Press: byzsempress.com/

The priest and deacon use a different book (liturgikon), one for each liturgy.

There are also books available there for:
Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts - 2010 (a liturgikon, or priest’s and deacon’s book, a people’s book with music, and a people’s book without music)

Holy Week Services
Also there is a older Byzantine Book of Prayer (1995) which has more prayers, including the liturgies of St. John and St. Basil (but not the approved 2006 text).

The Byzantine Catholic Church USA officially promulgated publications are listed here:
metropolitancantorinstitute.org/Publications2.html

 

[magdalina]

Faithful’s Book For The Divine Liturgy - 2006 is available for $15 from Byzantine Seminary Press: byzsempress.com/

The priest and deacon use a different book (liturgikon), one for each liturgy.

There are also books available there for:
Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts - 2010 (a liturgikon, or priest’s and deacon’s book, a people’s book with music, and a people’s book without music)

Holy Week Services
Also there is a older Byzantine Book of Prayer (1995) which has more prayers, including the liturgies of St. John and St. Basil (but not the approved 2006 text).

The Byzantine Catholic Church USA officially promulgated publications are listed here:
metropolitancantorinstitute.org/Publications2.html

Thanks Vivo.

Are both liturgies of St John and St Basil currently in use in Byzantine/Ruthenian parishes?

If so, do they each have a “following” as do the Roman EF and OF?

Are the revisions between the 1995 Book of Byzantine Prayer and the current 2006 Faithful’s Book for the Divine Liturgy such that the earlier text is now considered obsolete?

Best regards.

Maggie