C. Mahony sells convent to pay settlement "Facing their Convent's Closure"

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sprout said:
Agreed.

I stopped by the Cathedral on my way up the Coast. The highlight or most noticeable feature viewing from the 101 is the large mural of Our Lady of Guadalupe. I pulled off at the next exit and found my way around to the Cathedral and went inside.

I have toured Cathedrals throughout Europe including the Notre Dame, St. Marks in Venice, several in Germany, Austria, France, Italy (Venice, Milan, and Florence). I have been to literally hundreds of different Catholic churches throughout the US. I have never been as awestruck as I was by the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels. The tapestries with the saints was the coup de gras, it really made visible the communion of saints; the angels and saints participating in the Mass with us.

I think alot of people who say they hate it have never even seen it other than pictures of the exterior and they say this because they truly hate the person who had it built. What a thing to hate and call ugly anyway, a Cathedral, the house of God. A Cathedral dedicated to and named for Our Lady of the Angels.

http://www.olacathedral.org/zoom/images/interior4.jpg

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That photo only confirmed my low opinion of the building. How anyone can compare OLA cathedral with the beauty of many of the great cathedrals (or even many parish churches) around the world truly escapes me.
 
lepanto said:
That photo only confirmed my low opinion of the building. How anyone can compare OLA cathedral with the beauty of many of the great cathedrals (or even many parish churches) around the world truly escapes me.
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I"m guessing you have not personally seen OLA.

You DON"T compare it with great cathedrals of the past. It is not a Cathedral of the past. But it is a place where the great Liturgy of the Church (if the present Ordinary were so inclined) could be celebrated with dignity. The architect deeply understood the movement of the Mass and created a structure that celebrates the place of the Mass at the center of the created universe.

And MAN! Them alabaster walls! No windows – just pure, perfect light infusing the space as if coming from everywhere at once . . . .
 
sprout said:
I have toured Cathedrals throughout Europe including the Notre Dame, St. Marks in Venice, several in Germany, Austria, France, Italy (Venice, Milan, and Florence). I have been to literally hundreds of different Catholic churches throughout the US. I have never been as awestruck as I was by the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels.

Looks like a gymnasium to me. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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mercygate said:
Yeah. Off topic but true: you HAVE to see it to see how the light infuses the space through those walls of white alabaster! Tapestries: 👍 The architect is a genius.
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exactly. this is what their website says:
The interior of the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels evokes many spiritual and emotional responses. It calls forth the aura of God’s presence, that this is God’s house. The ambulatory that surrounds the inside of the Cathedral invites us to the Sanctuary where we gather to offer worship through the celebration of the Eucharist.
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Inspired by the themes of LIGHT and JOURNEY, architect Professor José Rafael Moneo chose natural light to flood the Cathedral. Sunlight streams through glass-sheltered, Spanish alabaster mosaics, combining the opaque white of alabaster with its various hues of earth tones – red, yellow, brown, orange and rust. Light also enters the Cathedral and devotional chapels by way of large, slanted shafts, reminiscent of those used by the early Franciscans when they designed the California Missions.
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The Cathedral features the largest single use of alabaster windows in the world–some 33,500 square feet. This powerful natural light emphasizes the purity and beauty of God’s creation. olacathedral.org/
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As I toured the Cathedral I thought “whoever built this must really love God”.
 
I am not a fan of modern art. I have not been to this cathedral, but I spent a good deal of time looking at the various photos from their website. Sure some of it is tasteful, but it is also fairly bland.

I have seen better, and bigger, parish churches in places like Kansas City, MO and St. Louis, MO.

But this is way off topic.
 
grandfather said:
sprout;2707905:
I have toured Cathedrals throughout Europe including the Notre Dame, St. Marks in Venice, several in Germany, Austria, France, Italy (Venice, Milan, and Florence). I have been to literally hundreds of different Catholic churches throughout the US. I have never been as awestruck as I was by the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels.

Looks like a gymnasium to me. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Have you been there? It makes a HUGE difference. Photographs do not convey to the least degree of accuracy the sense of the place. This building is ALL about light: how the light strikes it from without and how the light plays within.
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lepanto said:
That photo only confirmed my low opinion of the building. How anyone can compare OLA cathedral with the beauty of many of the great cathedrals (or even many parish churches) around the world truly escapes me.
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likewise, how any Catholic can call a house of God dedicated to Our Lady of the Angels ugly or compare it to a gymnasium truly escapes me.
 
sprout said:
likewise, how any Catholic can call a house of God dedicated to Our Lady of the Angels ugly or compare it to a gymnasium truly escapes me.
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Well, to be fair, the place ain’t exactly conventional, so it shatters expectations of what many think is “beautiful” in a church. But it sure doesn’t come close to looking like a gymnasium.
 
back on topic.

I did a real estate search for single family homes for the zip code of the Convent.

The listing price ranges from $600,000 to $6,749,000

homes.realtor.com/search/searchresults.aspx?zp=93103&typ=1&sid=9e02f746aad44400a4a0eca04a8e20f7&pg=10

The cheapest single family home I was able to find in even the surrounding communities was $595,000.

Contrast that that with convent zipcodes in the communities where you live. I know the Missionaries of Charity Convent in the metropolis where I live in IS in the poorest neighborhood in the County.
 
rpp said:
I am not a fan of modern art. I have not been to this cathedral, but I spent a good deal of time looking at the various photos from their website. Sure some of it is tasteful, but it is also fairly bland.

I have seen better, and** bigger**, parish churches in places like Kansas City, MO and St. Louis, MO.

But this is way off topic.
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Nope. Maybe churches more to your taste (Basilica in St. Louis!!!) but not bigger. The place is HEW-MON-GOUS.
 
sprout said:
back on topic.

I did a real estate search for single family homes for the zip code of the Convent.

The listing price ranges from $600,000 to $6,749,000

homes.realtor.com/search/searchresults.aspx?zp=93103&typ=1&sid=9e02f746aad44400a4a0eca04a8e20f7&pg=10

The cheapest single family home I was able to find in even the surrounding communities was $595,000.

Contrast that that with convent zipcodes in the communities where you live. I know the Missionaries of Charity Convent in the metropolis where I live in IS in the poorest neighborhood in the County.
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That’s our good ole California Real Estate prices: makes it impossible make a humble living and raise a family in a safe neighborhood. You have to be a millionaire to live in a place with no drive-bys…
 
Carthusianish said:
That’s our good ole California Real Estate prices: makes it impossible make a humble living and raise a family in a safe neighborhood. You have to be a millionaire to live in a place with no drive-bys…
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Santa Barbara, though, is a community that far exceeds even the State averages for real estate. For as long as I can remember they have had a moratorium on building and have been “no growth” which only increases real estate value. They’re sandwiched between Montecito (home of Oprah Winfrey) and Santa Ynez (home of Michael Jackson, President Reagan) which are two of the richest communities in the Nation.

Kinda makes you wonder who these “poor” are that the sisters care for?
 
mercygate said:
I’m no fan of His Eminence. But this was a place where he used his head. It would have been the second biggest scandal in the diocese to have spent all that $$$ out of the diocesan till.
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Figures never lie, but…
 
A $50,000,000 art collection was bequeathed to U of San Diego. The archdiocese of LA was supposed to be the conservatore, the guardian. It was displayed in the library. Workmen came in one day and hauled it all off. Anyone know where it went?
 
grandfather said:
sprout;2707905:
I have toured Cathedrals throughout Europe including the Notre Dame, St. Marks in Venice, several in Germany, Austria, France, Italy (Venice, Milan, and Florence). I have been to literally hundreds of different Catholic churches throughout the US. I have never been as awestruck as I was by the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels.
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Looks like a gymnasium to me. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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I guess it must be. To me it looks like a cross between a harbor breakwall and a public restroom.
 
No wonder he went after private donations… he put himself into the tapestry along with Mother Theresa, the late pope and all the other “saints”. I’d say one must indeed be careful not to pick the pockets of the unsuspecting in order to honor oneself. Yuck…no thanks.
 
sprout said:
Santa Barbara, though, is a community that far exceeds even the State averages for real estate. For as long as I can remember they have had a moratorium on building and have been “no growth” which only increases real estate value. They’re sandwiched between Montecito (home of Oprah Winfrey) and Santa Ynez (home of Michael Jackson, President Reagan) which are two of the richest communities in the Nation.

Kinda makes you wonder who these “poor” are that the sisters care for?
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Santa Barbara is a popular vacation spot and therefore has a large population of service employees who are typically working poor (low income relative to cost of living, no insurance, mostly unskilled immigrants, etc). These would be the poor that these sisters care for.
 
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