CAF Bible Study - The Gospel of John

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How about Thomas was beginning to understand that witnessing to Jesus through personal courageous behavior was the key to being credible when they preached Christ’s message. Like you stated Thomas was the one who was not fearful after Christ was put to death. a doubter yes, fearful no. Let us use his words, like so many thoughout history “My Lord and my God”
Thomas also seemed to be the most blunt. In chapter 14, Jesus explains to the Apostles that He must leave them, and acts as if they understand. It’s Thomas who speaks up, “Uh, no Master, we don’t know where you’re going.”
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back again and take you to myself, so that where I am you also may be. Where (I) am going you know the way." Thomas said to him, “Master, we do not know where you are going; how can we know the way?”
I like Thomas. When he’s in the scene, you always know what he’s thinking, even though he’s not spoken of very much.
 
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Compare Martha’s and Mary’s faith. Mary knows that Jesus could have saved Lazarus, but ONLY if He had been there before his death.

Martha knows that Jesus could STILL save Lazarus if He but asks God.

We should all have the faith of Martha, but often enough we only have the faith of Mary.Interesting. :hmmm:
 
I also wonder how Lazarus felt about the situation. After all, he still was going to die again, and in the meantime he would probably have the opportunity to commit major sin. But he would be there to help his sisters. 🤷
We don’t really know, do we? However, I would suspect that the guy who was raised from the dead…who experienced our Lord’s power in the most powerful way would also have a heavy duty conduit of superabundant grace, y’know? I kinda suspect that he was more interested in following the Lord than worrying about his next grave sin. 🤷

I was really just wondering whatever happened to Mary, Martha, and Lazarus when it all broke loose.
 
Yeah, it can be tough, but we have some clues.

In chapter 10 of John, we find that the scene immediately prior to Lazarus’ raising happened on the Feast of the Dedication: an eight-day festival of lights (Hebrew, Hanukkah) held in December, three months after the feast of Tabernacles (John 7:2).

This means that Jesus had around 3-4 months left before His Passion.

The Scene in Luke with Mary and Martha happens prior to Jesus Transfiguration, which occurred during the feast of Tabernacles. This occurred about 6 months before Jesus’ passion.

So the scene in Luke with Mary & Martha precedes the scene in John.
Thank you! 👍 Thus, it appears that both sisters had their own strengths: Mary the desire to listen and Martha the ability to learn from chastisement. Mary remained in the house upon the arrival of Jesus, but Martha went to greet Him. Martha appears to have grown in faith, but her chastisement refers to her preoccupation with chores and serving, rather than growing in faith. Clearly, Martha took the admonishment to heart. Martha parallels, but moves beyond that portion of the parable of the sower regarding those seeds sown among thorns-that the cares of this world choke the Word (Luke 8:7; Luke 8:14).

Christ’s peace be with you.
 
Thank you! 👍 Thus, it appears that both sisters had their own strengths: Mary the desire to listen and Martha the ability to learn from chastisement. Mary remained in the house upon the arrival of Jesus, but Martha went to greet Him. Martha appears to have grown in faith, but her chastisement refers to her preoccupation with chores and serving, rather than growing in faith. Clearly, Martha took the admonishment to heart. Martha parallels, but moves beyond that portion of the parable of the sower regarding those seeds sown among thorns-that the cares of this world choke the Word (Luke 8:7; Luke 8:14).

Christ’s peace be with you.
AMEN!
 
Hmmm, some rambling thoughts…

Lazarus rose from the dead after four days. Corruption was expected to set in after the third day, so this was a miracle beyond anything that the Jews knew of. The closest resurrection story they had was that of Jonah who stayed in the fish for three days.

Jonah lacked love for the sinners in his world, but that death and resurrection ( or perhaps temporary suspended animation? ) caused Jonah to risk death at Ninevah. I wonder if Lazarus would have stayed away from the crucifixion out of fear. He already knew what death held, I would think.

Thomas, although “fearless” is not named in the crucifixion accounts either. Only the circumloution “the disciple Jesus loved” which includes all the disciples of Jesus.

The city of Bethany, according to Luke 24:50, is where the ascension took place – in addition to being the home of Martha and Mary and Lazarus.
Acts 1:12 seems to place their return journey from a mountain called Olivet which was a sabbath days journey from Jerusalem.
Matthew 26:6 places the house of Simon the Leper(or jar maker?) in Bethany.
Mark 11:1 places Bethphage and Bethany on the mount of Olives.

Lazarus who in Jesus’ parables had his sores licked by the dogs.
Is it the same Lazarus, or just the generic name for a beggar?

Houses (beth) were also called for their trade.
Beth-phage – house of figs.
Beth-any – perhaps house of commerce, or house of Grief, or house of the poor. (Not really known).

If Strong’s Hebrew is at all reliable, house of grief would be very close sounding.

But it is interesting that if Lazarus was ill, or a leper colony was at that place, that there would be large numbers of Jews coming to see Jesus there.

On the other hand, staying at a place of lepers would tend to keep the pharisees away. It would also probably cause cleanliness laws which would tend to make people attend the later feast (eg. passover is one such feast celebrated twice because of ceremonial cleanliness)
 
John Chapter 12
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  [1] Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Laz'arus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.
  [2] There they made him a supper; Martha served, and Laz'arus was one of those at table with him.
  [3] Mary took a pound of costly ointment of pure nard and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the ointment.
  [4] But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was to betray him), said,
  [5] "Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?"
  [6] This he said, not that he cared for the poor but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box he used to take what was put into it.
  [7] Jesus said, "Let her alone, let her keep it for the day of my burial.
  [8] The poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me."
  [9] When the great crowd of the Jews learned that he was there, they came, not only on account of Jesus but also to see Laz'arus, whom he had raised from the dead.
  [10] So the chief priests planned to put Laz'arus also to death,
  [11] because on account of him many of the Jews were going away and believing in Jesus.
  [12] The next day a great crowd who had come to the feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem.
  [13] So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying, "Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!"
  [14] And Jesus found a young *** and sat upon it; as it is written,
  [15] "Fear not, daughter of Zion;
  behold, your king is coming,
  sitting on an ***'s colt!"
  [16] His disciples did not understand this at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that this had been written of him and had been done to him.
  [17] The crowd that had been with him when he called Laz'arus out of the tomb and raised him from the dead bore witness.
  [18] The reason why the crowd went to meet him was that they heard he had done this sign.
  [19] The Pharisees then said to one another, "You see that you can do nothing; look, the world has gone after him."
  [20] Now among those who went up to worship at the feast were some Greeks.
  [21] So these came to Philip, who was from Beth-sa'ida in Galilee, and said to him, "Sir, we wish to see Jesus."
  [22] Philip went and told Andrew; Andrew went with Philip and they told Jesus.
  [23] And Jesus answered them, "The hour has come for the Son of man to be glorified.
  [24] Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.
  [25] He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
  [26] If any one serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there shall my servant be also; if any one serves me, the Father will honor him.
  [27] "Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? `Father, save me from this hour'? No, for this purpose I have come to this hour.
  [28] Father, glorify thy name." Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again."
  [29] The crowd standing by heard it and said that it had thundered. Others said, "An angel has spoken to him."
  [30] Jesus answered, "This voice has come for your sake, not for mine.
  [31] Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out;
  [32] and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."
  [33] He said this to show by what death he was to die.
  [34] The crowd answered him, "We have heard from the law that the Christ remains for ever. How can you say that the Son of man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of man?"
 
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  [35] Jesus said to them, "The light is with you for a little longer. Walk while you have the light, lest the darkness overtake you; he who walks in the darkness does not know where he goes.
  [36] While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light." When Jesus had said this, he departed and hid himself from them.
  [37] Though he had done so many signs before them, yet they did not believe in him;
  [38] it was that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: "Lord, who has believed our report,
  and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"
  [39] Therefore they could not believe. For Isaiah again said,
  [40] "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart,
  lest they should see with their eyes and perceive with their heart,
  and turn for me to heal them."
  [41] Isaiah said this because he saw his glory and spoke of him.
  [42] Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
  [43] for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
  [44] And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me.
  [45] And he who sees me sees him who sent me.
  [46] I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
  [47] If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
  [48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.
  [49] For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.
  [50] And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has bidden me."
 
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   [40] "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart,
  lest they should see with their eyes and perceive with their heart,
  and turn for me to heal them."
I have never understood this part. Then later Jesus says he came to save, not to judge, at least not yet. I am hoping someone else does understand this.
 
I have never understood this part. Then later Jesus says he came to save, not to judge, at least not yet. I am hoping someone else does understand this.
Don’t you remember Romans 1?[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth.
[19] For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
[20] Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse;
[21] for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened.
[22] Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
[23] and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.
[24] Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
[25] because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.
[26] For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
[27] and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
[28] And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.
[29] They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips,
[30] slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
[31] foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
[32] Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.
 
Dear Catholic Family,
Chapter 12 begins right off with squabbling sisters, each trying to get their own way! A life lesson. Sound familiar? Mary won this time, annointing the feet of Jesus with costly perfume, then wiping and drying them with her hair. It is possible that she just plain couldnt even boil an egg, let alone cook a dinner. In verse 5 when Judas mentioned selling that ointment for his own greed, Our Lord said in verse 7 “Let her keep it for the day of my burial”.
Did anyone else hear Him say that? Ointments, oils, and fragrants fill the air with abundant beauty. Was this the 2nd to the last Family Jesus stayed with on earth? How wonderful an afternoon it must have been for Him. Lots of thoughts and questions for discussion.
Sincerely, Franny
 
Sound distressingly like current Western civilization.
Yeah… it does doesn’t it?:gopray2:
Dear Catholic Family,
Chapter 12 begins right off with squabbling sisters, each trying to get their own way! A life lesson. Sound familiar? Mary won this time, anointing the feet of Jesus with costly perfume, then wiping and drying them with her hair. It is possible that she just plain couldn’t even boil an egg, let alone cook a dinner. In verse 5 when Judas mentioned selling that ointment for his own greed, Our Lord said in verse 7 “Let her keep it for the day of my burial”.
Did anyone else hear Him say that? Ointments, oils, and fragrants fill the air with abundant beauty. Was this the 2nd to the last Family Jesus stayed with on earth? How wonderful an afternoon it must have been for Him. Lots of thoughts and questions for discussion.
Sincerely, Franny
Some interesting insights, I must say.

I can empathize with the sisters though because I know myself how easy it is to let “stuff” distract me from the more important aspects of my spiritual life. Especially being as into apologetics as I am and all those debates. It helps immensely that I am a Knight of the Immaculata and have St. Maximillian Kolbe’s great version of the Miraculous Medal prayer to pray often.

O Mary conceived without sin pray for us who have recourse to thee, and for all who do not have recourse to thee, especially the enemies of Holy Church, and all those recommended to thee. Amen.
 
I pray the first part of that prayer every day, and I am going to try remembering to add that extra part. We do need to pray for everyone.
 
I pray the first part of that prayer every day, and I am going to try remembering to add that extra part. We do need to pray for everyone.
That’s great! You can always join the Militia Immaculata (See the link in my post.) and that way it becomes a part of your daily life. 👍
 
I think this to be a very moving paragraph. While Jesus was still a Man, with man feelings, but knowing the future is very near . V27 " I am troubled now. Yet what should I say?"
He proceeds to call & pray to HIs Father. V31 Now is the time of judgement of the world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. (the devil will be driven out!)
V32 “And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to Myself.”
I am drawn to Him on the Crucifix, most sorrowfull, Franny
 
John Chapter 13
[1] Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.
[2] And during supper, when the devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him,
[3] Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going to God,
[4] rose from supper, laid aside his garments, and girded himself with a towel.
[5] Then he poured water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which he was girded.
[6] He came to Simon Peter; and Peter said to him, “Lord, do you wash my feet?”
[7] Jesus answered him, “What I am doing you do not know now, but afterward you will understand.”
[8] Peter said to him, “You shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part in me.”
[9] Simon Peter said to him, “Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!”
[10] Jesus said to him, “He who has bathed does not need to wash, except for his feet, but he is clean all over; and you are clean, but not every one of you.”
[11] For he knew who was to betray him; that was why he said, “You are not all clean.”
[12] When he had washed their feet, and taken his garments, and resumed his place, he said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you?
[13] You call me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.
[14] If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet.
[15] For I have given you an example, that you also should do as I have done to you.
[16] Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.
[17] If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them.
[18] I am not speaking of you all; I know whom I have chosen; it is that the scripture may be fulfilled, He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.' [19] I tell you this now, before it takes place, that when it does take place you may believe that I am he. [20] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives any one whom I send receives me; and he who receives me receives him who sent me." [21] When Jesus had thus spoken, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, "Truly, truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me." [22] The disciples looked at one another, uncertain of whom he spoke. [23] One of his disciples, whom Jesus loved, was lying close to the breast of Jesus; [24] so Simon Peter beckoned to him and said, "Tell us who it is of whom he speaks." [25] So lying thus, close to the breast of Jesus, he said to him, "Lord, who is it?" [26] Jesus answered, "It is he to whom I shall give this morsel when I have dipped it." So when he had dipped the morsel, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. [27] Then after the morsel, Satan entered into him. Jesus said to him, "What you are going to do, do quickly." [28] Now no one at the table knew why he said this to him. [29] Some thought that, because Judas had the money box, Jesus was telling him, "Buy what we need for the feast"; or, that he should give something to the poor. [30] So, after receiving the morsel, he immediately went out; and it was night. [31] When he had gone out, Jesus said, "Now is the Son of man glorified, and in him God is glorified; [32] if God is glorified in him, God will also glorify him in himself, and glorify him at once. [33] Little children, yet a little while I am with you. You will seek me; and as I said to the Jews so now I say to you, Where I am going you cannot come.’
[34] A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
[35] By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
[36] Simon Peter said to him, “Lord, where are you going?” Jesus answered, “Where I am going you cannot follow me now; but you shall follow afterward.”
[37] Peter said to him, “Lord, why cannot I follow you now? I will lay down my life for you.”
[38] Jesus answered, "Will you lay down your life for me? Truly, truly, I say to you, the cock will not crow, till you have denied me three times.
 
This is where we begin to get into the passion narrative.

There are so many things going on here and a wealth of insight to be gained.

I saw a question over in apologetics the other day that asked if Jesus knew he was the Messiah and God. I think tis passage answers that pretty well.

One thing that really jumps out at me here is Our Lord’s interaction with Peter. The first part of that is in verses 8 & 9. "Peter said to him, “You shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part in me.” Simon Peter said to him, “Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!” Look at Peter’s desire to follow the Lord! Basically he tells Jesus that he wants to be all His when he says “Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!” I will say that same thing to Our Lord in that position…and no doubt prove just as human as Peter does… Praise Be To God that Like Peter, superabundant grace is laid up for me that I may stumble along behind my Holy Lord!
 
[8] Peter said to him, “You shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part in me.”
[9] Simon Peter said to him, "Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!"
I think one of the most consistent portrayals in all four Gospels of the bible is the spontaneity of Peter. Peter is often “stepping up to the plate and swinging before he sees the pitch” (or, speaking before he thinks).

I think it is amazing and somewhat comforting to find this impetuous man become the Rock that Jesus claimed he would be in John chapter 1 (or is it 2?). As a pompous and “early swinger”, it gives me hope that I may become a rock for those around me.
 
I think one of the most consistent portrayals in all four Gospels of the bible is the spontaneity of Peter. Peter is often “stepping up to the plate and swinging before he sees the pitch” (or, speaking before he thinks).

I think it is amazing and somewhat comforting to find this impetuous man become the Rock that Jesus claimed he would be in John chapter 1 (or is it 2?). As a pompous and “early swinger”, it gives me hope that I may become a rock for those around me.
Amen! You’re in good company here. 👍
 
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