California AG Probing Priestly Abuse... will it ever end?

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And that is exactly what church leader have tried to avoid over the past 4 decades.
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I didn’t say that. I said let the state and federal judges make the judgment, since they are the ones hearing all the facts.
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And that is exactly what church leader have tried to avoid over the past 4 decades. But that is changing legal justice is coming to a catholic church near you.
 
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Even christ himself said " It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin." Christ would rather see someone that harmed a little one drowned than to be allowed to harm a child. I believe these men should go to jail, christ would have drowned them.

Just because this happen in all walks of life doesnt justify allowing these men or the church leaders to go unpunished.

we cant pick and choose what is right and what is wrong.
 
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As far as I am concerned, I welcome the state and federal investigations. If the clergy is found guilty, then let them suffer the consequences.

At any rate, the sins of Catholics (lay or clergy) should not be a reason for leaving the Church. We are all sinners. Even St. Peter sinned. In fact, that is how you can tell that the Catholic Church is the true church founded by Christ. Because it is not perfect. The Church is like a diamond. Real diamonds, unlike fake diamonds, have impurities and imperfections. So our Church, imperfect as it is, is the real deal.
 
You can guarantee but that isnt knowing… But you KNOW church leaders covered up crimes. You KNOW catholic priest molested little boys.
 
I have no faith the church leaders will even change on their own. lady Justice is coming to town and boy is she ready to serve justice I am not going to be a part of an organization that will allow cover up and child molestation
 
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I am waiting for the reasons that christ really didnt mean what he said, That is was a metaphorical drowning.
 
OK I will quit this thread now. I understand how you feel, and I don’t blame you for being angry at what you perceive is terribly wrong. Just between you and me, I am angry, too. Wasn’t Christ angry at those who turned the Church into a den of thieves? We have a right to be angry at those who turn the Church into an unholy place.

Peace.
 
This is a bit unsettling for me. I’m planning to move into the area soon, and a lot of churches I was looking at had a priest named in one of the reports. I’ll be praying for the Archdiocese of San Francisco, Diocese of Oakland, and Diocese of San Jose. I may also stay on top of the responses from these diocese and priests in them to get an idea of where exactly I want to move, since the church I want to go to will help guide where I move to.
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I do wonder if revelations of this nature will in any way backfire on the LGBT movement.
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I doubt it. The consistent factor in all of this is abuse of power, not homosexuality.
 
ZMystiCat said:
This is a bit unsettling for me. I’m planning to move into the area soon, and a lot of churches I was looking at had a priest named in one of the reports.
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The reports cover decades. With the number of priests who served in churches over that amount of time, many parishes will have had a priest named. In Pennsylvania, I have regularly attended at least 4 churches that “had a priest named”, but the priest in question was there years before I arrived at said church and in 2 cases, decades before. I’m not going to be concerned that a church had a problem priest in 1987 when I didn’t even attend there till 2017.
 
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The reports cover decades. With the number of priests who served in churches over that amount of time, many parishes will have had a priest named.
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Yeah, all the priests that I checked the date for were from 15+ years ago. Still, when the Boston or PA stuff came out, it was on the other side of the country. I guess for me the feeling is a bit different when it hits churches I recognize to an extent. It won’t stop me from going, though, unless the current priest gives a horrible response to this, which I honestly haven’t seen yet. Many of these churches still have statements up regarding the PA report, and all the ones I’ve read were good.
 
Would christ have been angry when he drown these men for the harm they caused the little ones? I am not angry, I have righteous anger towards these men who committed crimes and because of church leaders were able to get away with it. If those want to call me names because I believe these crimes need to be punished and no I dont think it is political grandstanding. These church leaders are guilty of a cover up and if that included men as high as a Pope, then justice needs to be served. Christ himself demanded it.
 
I dont know, but if it does then we need to know justice needs to be served, legal justice. I am not going to say things like, this happened so long ago, this happens across all organization, we are all sinners, this is a sickness, Let the Pope determine the best course of action, or dozens of other “reasons” we need to not see justice served.

I have been saying for 40 years this will see the light of day and the longer the church leaders covers it up the worse it is going to be for the church. Keep saying thing like like that above and more and the church leaders are only making it worse
 
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If demanding that child molesters and those who commited crime by allowing those molestations to continue is prejudice, then I am guilty.
 
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If demanding that child molesters and those who commited crime by allowing those molestations to continue is prejudice
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Do you honestly think that that’s what I’m talking about?
 
You might want to go back and brush up on a few things. The church has taught since the beginning that satan is active in the world; and if you want to dis the Church, then sit down and start reading the bible; start with Genesis, and work on through to the sayings of Christ.

Stating that satan is active does not say that people have no responsibility for the choices they make, and I know of no moral theologian who would say otherwise.
 
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I doubt it. The consistent factor in all of this is abuse of power, not homosexuality.
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88% of the abuse cases involve an adult male and a teenage boy (or older) and that isn’t homosexuality??
Yea, abuse of power is the main concern, but trying to downplay or ignore the fact that the abuse was textbook homosexual activity is simply ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
 
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