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And for that, you MUST listen–let the other guys tell you what they stand for; listen intently; take good notes; make sure you understand what they’re telling you–ask questions to clarify, and to compel them to take a stance (you’ll be surprised how many times the folks you engage, will attempt to play both ends of an issue–abonding one for the other, when it may appear they have chosen wrongly–or otherwise hedge their language–so you want to ‘pin them down’, or make sure you know where they stand–and that they know that you know where they stand)…
This is one of the most important and easily overlooked techniques.👍
 
He said that when you become Christian all your sins are covered even of you later become atheist. He also took potshots at the sacraments saying they were not neccessary for salvation. Finally he denied ignorance of God saying that if a tribe in Africa were willing to convert God would drop a missionarie on them. Since they are not willing they are all dammned. What does one say to this?
The human mind cannot possible comprehend the mind of God and its mysteries.

Romans 9:15
For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

Jonah 2:9
But I with the voice of thanksgiving
will sacrifice to thee;
what I have vowed I will pay.
Deliverance (Salvation) belongs to the Lord!”

Not one single person on earth can tell if another person is saved or not.

1 Corinthians 2:11
For what person knows a man’s thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Romans 11:34
“For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”

As such we are given the Great Commission so we can bring the Gospel of Christ to others:

Matthew 28:16-20
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

From here you should be able to move into authority. Who has it and who doesn’t.

John 7:
16 So Jesus answered them,"My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.17 If anyone’s will is to do God’st will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.18 The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.

Matthew 16:
16 Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Matthew 18:
15 "If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Acts 20:
28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

To be continued
 
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God has authority - He have all authority in heaven and earth to Jesus - Jesus gave some of this authority to the Apostles - the Apostles in turn passed on this authority to Christ’s Church and Her Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, Laity.

Acts 1:
21 So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us—one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection."23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also called Justus, and Matthias.24 And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place."26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Acts 6:
1 Now in these days when the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint by the Hellenists arose against the Hebrews because their widows were being neglected in the daily distribution.2 And the twelve summoned the full number of the disciples and said, "It is not right that we should give up preaching the word of God to serve tables.3 Therefore, brothers,t pick out from among you seven men of good repute, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we will appoint to this duty.4 But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word."5 And what they said pleased the whole gathering, and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolaus, a proselyte of Antioch.6 These they set before the apostles, and they prayed and laid their hands on them.

Acts 9:
10 Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias. The Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, "Here I am, Lord."11 And the Lord said to him, "Rise and go to the street called Straight, and at the house of Judas look for a man of Tarsus named Saul, for behold, he is praying,12 and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him so that he might regain his sight."13 But Ananias answered, "Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem.14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name."15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name."17 So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized;

Col 1:
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known,26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints.27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

1 Tim. 3:
1 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task.2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife,t sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.4 He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive,5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church?6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil.7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

8 Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued,t not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain.9 They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience.10 And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless.11 Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things.12 Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.13 For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

1 Tim. 4:
14 Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you.15 Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress.16 Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.1

To be continued
 
Continued,

1 Tim. 5:
22 Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor take part in the sins of others; keep yourself pure.23 (No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.)24 The sins of some men are conspicuous, going before them to judgment, but the sins of others appear later.25 So also good works are conspicuous, and even those that are not cannot remain hidden.

Titus 1:
5 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you—6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife,t and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.7 For an overseer,t as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain,8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

All the verses above are clear on the delegating authority that Jesus gave the Apostles. It includes warnings and the proper way of laying the hands and the responsibilities of each position. It does not talk about an independent person delegating this authority outside the direct succession of the Apostles.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about inheriting Authority from the Bible, obviously because there was no such thing until about the 400s. In fact, what is known as the Septuagint was a collection of scrolls and not a canon per se. This Church was persecuted and we have very valuable witnesses in Justin Martyr, Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Cyprian, Athanasius, among others. I stopped with Athanasius because from him we have the 1st list of the 27 books of the New Testament that we have today. And this authority was exercised without the Bible and based on oral Tradition and on Old Testament, Inter-Testament scrolls that the Jews did not want to acknowledge because of their Christology.

If possible, focus on the 1st 400 years of Christ’s Church. Make them think - Was there a Church back then? Without a Bible!? 😃

Read up on Justin Martyr, Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome.

For free here:
earlychristianwritings.com/
newadvent.org/cathen/

Most important, pray! And ask the Holy Spirit to debate with love and not anger. In humility and not pride.

God Bless,

Jose
 
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