Calling all non-Catholic Christians!

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Hypothetically, let us say that the Catholic Church is indeed completely false:

Among all the other denominations, where is Christian truth? Everyone argues that the Catholic Church is full of man-made changes and thus has fallen into error. Though every Protestant church is blatantly man-made. They came hundreds of years after Christ and presume to be individually inspired toward truth.

So, again, hypothetically speaking, the Catholic Church is wrong. Which Protestant denomination is correct? Which Non-Denominational church is correct? Which interpretation of the Bible is correct? You guys cannot trust Catholicism, then which of these man-made churches and interpretations are we to go to for truth? There cannot be a universal “spiritual” Christian church without theological unity. Why is it taking two thousand years after Christ’s resurrection for people to figure out Christianity? Did Jesus not teach His Apostle’s well enough to pass it through the generations? Was Jesus lying when He said He would be with His Church always?

Instead of listing the doctrines of Catholicism you cannot understand, show me the reasons why a Protestant church is superior among another Protestant church, etc.

If the Catholic Church is so wrong, why do you trust it enough to trust the Bible that she gave us? Despite the lack of books in a Protestant Bible, the rest was compiled by the Catholic Church. If the Catholic Church is so wrong how did it compile the New Testament correctly but pervert the rest of the religion in the meantime?

Jesus did not send His disciples out to teach differently. So each denomination teaching differently cannot be what Christ intended.

I desire any responses!
 
Im catholic, but i know what they will say… Christ’s Church is the right church, it does not have a name.:rolleyes:
 
tGette said:
Hypothetically, let us say that the Catholic Church is indeed completely false:

Among all the other denominations, where is Christian truth? Everyone argues that the Catholic Church is full of man-made changes and thus has fallen into error. Though every Protestant church is blatantly man-made. They came hundreds of years after Christ and presume to be individually inspired toward truth.

So, again, hypothetically speaking, the Catholic Church is wrong. Which Protestant denomination is correct? Which Non-Denominational church is correct? Which interpretation of the Bible is correct? You guys cannot trust Catholicism, then which of these man-made churches and interpretations are we to go to for truth? There cannot be a universal “spiritual” Christian church without theological unity. Why is it taking two thousand years after Christ’s resurrection for people to figure out Christianity? Did Jesus not teach His Apostle’s well enough to pass it through the generations? Was Jesus lying when He said He would be with His Church always?

Instead of listing the doctrines of Catholicism you cannot understand, show me the reasons why a Protestant church is superior among another Protestant church, etc.

If the Catholic Church is so wrong, why do you trust it enough to trust the Bible that she gave us? Despite the lack of books in a Protestant Bible, the rest was compiled by the Catholic Church. If the Catholic Church is so wrong how did it compile the New Testament correctly but pervert the rest of the religion in the meantime?

Jesus did not send His disciples out to teach differently. So each denomination teaching differently cannot be what Christ intended.

I desire any responses!
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First look at what that protestant church teaches about God and Christ. Does it line up with the Scriptures?

Secondly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the inspired-inerrant Word of God?

Thirdly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the basis for all beliefs and practices for a Christian?

Fourth, what do they teach what the gospel message is?

These would be just some of the many issues to determine which protestant church is teaching the truth.
 
“There cannot be a universal “spiritual” Christian church without theological unity”

Christ said, they would know we are one by our Love. It was the Pharasees that insisted that “theological unity”, “correct understanding” was the unitifly factor.
 
justasking4 said:
First look at what that protestant church teaches about God and Christ. Does it line up with the Scriptures?
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According to whose interpretation?
Secondly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the inspired-inerrant Word of God?
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I’ve yet to meet a Christian who doesn’t believe this, yet I’ve met many Christians who believe opposing doctrines.
Thirdly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the basis for all beliefs and practices for a Christian?
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I’m not sure all Protestants believe sola scriptura.
Fourth, what do they teach what the gospel message is?
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Again, according to whose interpretation?
These would be just some of the many issues to determine which protestant church is teaching the truth.
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I’d be interested in knowing where the scriptures contain this list, especially in light of #3 above.

I think the problem the OP is getting at is this:

What do you do when all the Protestant churches you investigate claim they do this–yet teach doctrines contrary to each other? Then what?
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
“There cannot be a universal “spiritual” Christian church without theological unity”

Christ said, they would know we are one by our Love. It was the Pharasees that insisted that “theological unity”, “correct understanding” was the unitifly factor.
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Would you agree that there is not a complete “theological unity” in the catholic church?
 
justasking4 said:
Would you agree that there is not a complete “theological unity” in the catholic church?
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Nice try in changing the subject. The OP made it clear this thread is not about the Catholic Church.

If you want to discuss unity, or lack of it, within the Catholic Church, please start another thread. Don’t hijack this one.
 
justasking4 said:
Would you agree that there is not a complete “theological unity” in the catholic church?
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I am not sure what you mean by “theological unity”. Certainly there is a great variety of thought and belief in the field of theological study, just as there is in science, philosophy, and other subjects of human study.

Doctrinal unity, on the other hand is complete. Persons who are not in unity with Catholic doctrine are no longer Catholic. They have become Protestant, though many of them do not know it. The unity of the church is based in the unity of doctrine, not the study of theology, science, or other subjects.
 
Kay_Cee said:
Nice try in changing the subject. The OP made it clear this thread is not about the Catholic Church.

If you want to discuss unity, or lack of it, within the Catholic Church, please start another thread. Don’t hijack this one.
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Thanks for the reminder! This is one of ja4’s favorite tactics, and I fell into it again!
 
justasking4 said:
First look at what that protestant church teaches about God and Christ. Does it line up with the Scriptures?

Secondly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the inspired-inerrant Word of God?

Thirdly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the basis for all beliefs and practices for a Christian?

Fourth, what do they teach what the gospel message is?

These would be just some of the many issues to determine which protestant church is teaching the truth.
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By whose standard of interpretation, ja4? Mormons believe that they teach the gospel message…
 
justasking4 said:
First look at what that protestant church teaches about God and Christ. Does it line up with the Scriptures?

Secondly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the inspired-inerrant Word of God?

**Thirdly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the basis for all beliefs and practices for a Christian? **

Fourth, what do they teach what the gospel message is?

These would be just some of the many issues to determine which protestant church is teaching the truth.
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Since you believe that the Bible is the basis for all Christian beliefs and practices, can you show me using the Scriptures where theres four points are listed in order to, “determine which protestant church is teaching truth”? Since this is after all your belief and I assume you are a Christian.

God bless
 
Kay_Cee said:
According to whose interpretation?

I’ve yet to meet a Christian who doesn’t believe this, yet I’ve met many Christians who believe opposing doctrines.

I’m not sure all Protestants believe sola scriptura.

Again, according to whose interpretation?

I’d be interested in knowing where the scriptures contain this list, especially in light of #3 above.

I think the problem the OP is getting at is this:

What do you do when all the Protestant churches you investigate claim they do this–yet teach doctrines contrary to each other? Then what?
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Sorry Kay Cee I made my comment before I read yours. Great minds think alike?

God bless
 
Kay_Cee said:
According to whose interpretation?

What do you do when all the Protestant churches you investigate claim they do this–yet teach doctrines contrary to each other? Then what?
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We’ve heard so much talk of what,“protestants” do and what they believe! Someone even spoke about the ,'Protestant Church".

Yet no one explains just what a protestant is?

At school, I was taught that a protestant was a follower of Luther who nailed his protest to the Church door.

Yet in 1791, (give or take a year,) the Roman church in a letter to the British authorities, (House of Lord’s,) describing themselves as Dissenting Protestant Catholics!

On this board many people seem to use i protestant quite out of context as though it was going out of use and they want quit of their stocks.

Which of the sects use the term ? What does it mean?
 
Kay_Cee said:
Nice try in changing the subject. The OP made it clear this thread is not about the Catholic Church.

If you want to discuss unity, or lack of it, within the Catholic Church, please start another thread. Don’t hijack this one.
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i was reponding to this post by
Originally Posted by Daniel Marsh forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
“There cannot be a universal “spiritual” Christian church without theological unity”

Christ said, they would know we are one by our Love. It was the Pharasees that insisted that “theological unity”, “correct understanding” was the unitifly factor.

*i guess if anyone was hi-jacking it was Daniel Marsh. However i don’t think he was since he was making a point about his position. *
 
justasking4 said:
What is the gospel message in catholicism?
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That was an interesting twist you did there, ja4. You asserted that a 'true" church can be found where the “gospel is preached”. I pointed out that there are many different “gospels”, and that Mormons also believe they preach the true gospel of Christ. Instead of addressing this lack of consistency found in non-Catholic faith communities, you have twirled it around to sling it back at Catholics! Another forum member just told you that the purpose of this thread is not to pick at Catholic belief. In fact, the OP specified that the assumption was being made that the Catholic Church is off the mark, so your question is irrelevant, and is an attemp to derail yet another perfectly good thread. Why don’t you post this in a new thread? 🤷
 
Thank you Kay Cee and guanophore!

We are supposed to be pretending that the Catholic Church is absolutely false.

Protestant can mean a variation of denominations. Instead of using Protestant let me readdress the topic. Which Christian belief among the various denominations and “non-denominations” should we go to as Christ’s church? If the Christian church is an “invisible” church should we get rid of all physical church buildings?

All these sects have different interpretations of scripture. How do we know for sure which one of these to believe as correct?

Daniel Marsh:
Addressing what you said about the Pharisees. If Christians were united in love this love would stem from the same beliefs. Your argument is saying it does not matter Mormons and Lutherans do not agree theologically (especially on Christ’s divinity) that their uniting with love is sufficient. Are you saying it is alright to believe whether Jesus is God or not as long you believe in His Love?
 
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