Calling all non-Catholic Christians!

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I suggest we all agree to stay on topic. This thread is NOT about the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church should not even come up in the conversation. There should be no mention of it at all.

Agreed?
 
Kay_Cee said:
I suggest we all agree to stay on topic. This thread is NOT about the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church should not even come up in the conversation. There should be no mention of it at all.

Agreed?
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You mean a thread where Protestants have to defend the tenets of Protestantism without mentioning and attacking the Catholic Church? :confused:

HAHA not gonna happen 😃

God bless
 
Roman_Catholic said:
You mean a thread where Protestants have to defend the tenets of Protestantism without mentioning and attacking the Catholic Church? :confused:

HAHA not gonna happen 😃
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It actually might if we all agree not to give in to thread derailments.

What if every time Catholicism is mentioned, we once again (as many times as necessary) point out that this thread is not about that, and refuse to engage in any tangents?
God bless
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God bless you too!

Now then, would ja4 care to answer our questions?
 
Your first premis is wrong. Protestants do not believe that Cothoicism is completely false. We agree on some subject, like the Trinity, the resurrection of Christ, that there is a heaven and angles, there is a hell, the importance of the 10 Commandments and many other things. What we disagree with is on authrotiy , the Bible, salvation, traditions and other things.

So lets get our facts correct. The Bible must be our final authority and not people, a church, or traditions. We are saved by faith alone in Christ alone Eph 2:8-9. Then those who are saved should exhibit their salvation through good works Eph 2:10.
 
🙂 hi DLC can you explain to every one here how the body of Christ is to have no authority in teaching its memebers.
 
DLC…
You are missing the point…you are side stepping the purpose for this thread.

Let me restate again, say the Catholic Church is completely false on her Tradition and authority and all other things Protestants claim she is wrong about . . .

Then which of these Protestant beliefs on interpreting the Bible is correct? If the Bible is sole authority and every Protestant interprets the Bible differently, then whose interpretation are we to trust?
 
justasking4:

First look at what that protestant church teaches about God and Christ. Does it line up with the Scriptures?
Who is the one to interpret scripture to see if the teachings line up with Scripture?

Secondly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the inspired-inerrant Word of God?
Even Catholic believe that.

Thirdly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the basis for all beliefs and practices for a Christian?
You mean like full immersion baptism, or just sprinkling, or like infant baptism, or if baptism is necessary for salvation. Or if one can lose there salvation, or in one is to worship on Sunday instead of the Sabbath?
In other words, it is alright to teach error, as long as you point to scripture alone with your incorrect interpretation to back up this error?

Fourth, what do they teach what the gospel message is?
Who is to determine what exactly the Gospel message is?

These would be just some of the many issues to determine which protestant church is teaching the truth.

Does any Protestant teach the whole truth, or do they all just teach most of it, with some error mixed in, and it is up to the believer to choose a balance between truth and error?
 
DLC said:
Your first premis is wrong. Protestants do not believe that Cothoicism is completely false. We agree on some subject, like the Trinity, the resurrection of Christ, that there is a heaven and angles, there is a hell, the importance of the 10 Commandments and many other things. What we disagree with is on authrotiy , the Bible, salvation, traditions and other things.

So lets get our facts correct. The Bible must be our final authority and not people, a church, or traditions. We are saved by faith alone in Christ alone Eph 2:8-9. Then those who are saved should exhibit their salvation through good works Eph 2:10.
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Bible as final authority, huh? Read Acts Ch’s 15 & 16 again. Wait, I’ll copy & paste a few verses here from the KJV:

Acts 15:28-29: For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 16:4: And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

Looks to me like it was a Church council guided by the Holy Spirit that taught doctrine which was then passed on to the faithful.

So, you don’t believe in the authority of oral teachings either. Take a look at 2 Tim 1:13-14, 2 Tim 2:2, and Acts 2:42. I’m sure you can now see that the faithful remained steadfast to the doctrines they were taught by the Apostles who had the authority to pass it on both orally and in writing.
 
Kay_Cee said:
It actually might if we all agree not to give in to thread derailments.

What if every time Catholicism is mentioned, we once again (as many times as necessary) point out that this thread is not about that, and refuse to engage in any tangents?

God bless you too!

Now then, would ja4 care to answer our questions?
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i answered it in post #3…
 
savedsinner;3302974]justasking4:
justasking4:
First look at what that protestant church teaches about God and Christ. Does it line up with the Scriptures?
savedsinner
Who is the one to interpret scripture to see if the teachings line up with Scripture?
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The individual is.
justasking4
Secondly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the inspired-inerrant Word of God?
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savedsinner
Even Catholic believe that.
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True to an extent.
justasking4
Thirdly, do they believe that the Scriptures are the basis for all beliefs and practices for a Christian?
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savedsinner

You mean like full immersion baptism, or just sprinkling, or like infant baptism, or if baptism is necessary for salvation. Or if one can lose there salvation, or in one is to worship on Sunday instead of the Sabbath?
In other words, it is alright to teach error, as long as you point to scripture alone with your incorrect interpretation to back up this error?
There has been debate on these issues thru the centuries.
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justasking4
Fourth, what do they teach what the gospel message is?
Who is to determine what exactly the Gospel message is?
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These would be just some of the many issues to determine which protestant church is teaching the truth.

savedsinner
Does any Protestant teach the whole truth, or do they all just teach most of it, with some error mixed in, and it is up to the believer to choose a balance between truth and error?
Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?
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QUOTE=tGette;3300319]Hypothetically, let us say that the Catholic Church is indeed completely false:
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I do not think it is completely wrong of course because we agree on some things.
Among all the other denominations, where is Christian truth?
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Denominations are not in the Bible.
Everyone argues that the Catholic Church is full of man-made changes and thus has fallen into error.
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yes
Though every Protestant church is blatantly man-made. They came hundreds of years after Christ and presume to be individually inspired toward truth.
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Individually inspired, never heard that one.
So, again, hypothetically speaking, the Catholic Church is wrong.
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Yes
Which Protestant denomination is correct? Which Non-Denominational church is correct?
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Mine
Which interpretation of the Bible is correct?
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I tend to trust mine but I never said I was infallible of course
You guys cannot trust Catholicism, then which of these man-made churches and interpretations are we to go to for truth?
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Go to the ones that follow the Bible, they will be the pillar of truth
There cannot be a universal “spiritual” Christian church without theological unity. Why is it taking two thousand years after Christ’s resurrection for people to figure out Christianity?
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This is a lot of questions. People had it figured, they got confused and then in God’s time the truth is there for all to hear…or read
Did Jesus not teach His Apostle’s well enough to pass it through the generations? Was Jesus lying when He said He would be with His Church always?
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So if people disagree with you Jesus is a liar? What a darned if you do and darned if you dont question
Instead of listing the doctrines of Catholicism you cannot understand, show me the reasons why a Protestant church is superior among another Protestant church, etc.
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because we follow the Bible of course
If the Catholic Church is so wrong, why do you trust it enough to trust the Bible that she gave us?
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The Catholic Church gave me the KJV?? News to me…
I desire any responses
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you would get more if you asked fewer questions
 
Rightlydivide:

How is your Bible church’s interpretation more correct than another Bible church? I guarantee you do not all agree theologically.

The KJV uses the New Testament that the Catholic Church compiled. If you do believe the Catholic Church is wrong why was it trust worthy enough to give you the New Testament? The same New Testament that was passed through the generations and eventually TRANSLATED as your King James Version.

Yes darned if you do, darned if you don’t. Jesus taught one truth. He did not give us a Bible. He gave us a Church that had no Bible in the beginning. A church that did not rely on a Bible!

So please EXPLAIN why the church you have that relies on the Bible is correct and why it is correct among other Bible churches.
 
tGette;3303455]Rightlydivide:
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How is your Bible church’s interpretation more correct than another Bible church? I guarantee you do not all agree theologically.
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Lets take the deity of Christ as an example. All Bible believing protestant churches believe that Christ was God.
The KJV uses the New Testament that the Catholic Church compiled. If you do believe the Catholic Church is wrong why was it trust worthy enough to give you the New Testament? The same New Testament that was passed through the generations and eventually TRANSLATED as your King James Version.
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All this shows that the catholic church can be right on some things.
Yes darned if you do, darned if you don’t. Jesus taught one truth. He did not give us a Bible. He gave us a Church that had no Bible in the beginning. A church that did not rely on a Bible!
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This is incorrect. If you read the gospel accounts for example there is a continual referring to the OT. Secondly the writings of the apostles are considered God’s word and to held by the church and all believers in the highest esteem. The church also possessed the OT since the very beginning. It to was considered Scripture. It is a mistake to think the church does not rely on the Bible.
So please EXPLAIN why the church you have that relies on the Bible is correct and why it is correct among other Bible churches.
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Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?
 
tGette said:
Hypothetically, let us say that the Catholic Church is indeed completely false:

Among all the other denominations, where is Christian truth? Everyone argues that the Catholic Church is full of man-made changes and thus has fallen into error. Though every Protestant church is blatantly man-made. They came hundreds of years after Christ and presume to be individually inspired toward truth.

So, again, hypothetically speaking, the Catholic Church is wrong. Which Protestant denomination is correct? Which Non-Denominational church is correct? Which interpretation of the Bible is correct? You guys cannot trust Catholicism, then which of these man-made churches and interpretations are we to go to for truth? There cannot be a universal “spiritual” Christian church without theological unity. Why is it taking two thousand years after Christ’s resurrection for people to figure out Christianity? Did Jesus not teach His Apostle’s well enough to pass it through the generations? Was Jesus lying when He said He would be with His Church always?

Instead of listing the doctrines of Catholicism you cannot understand, show me the reasons why a Protestant church is superior among another Protestant church, etc.

If the Catholic Church is so wrong, why do you trust it enough to trust the Bible that she gave us? Despite the lack of books in a Protestant Bible, the rest was compiled by the Catholic Church. If the Catholic Church is so wrong how did it compile the New Testament correctly but pervert the rest of the religion in the meantime?

Jesus did not send His disciples out to teach differently. So each denomination teaching differently cannot be what Christ intended.

I desire any responses!
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If the Catholicism is hyphothetically completely false, then the bible is also hyphothetically completely false, then Marthin Luther was making a new sola scriptura belief based on the hyphothetically completely false bible. The Mormon and the JW also often make quotations out of the hyphothetically completely false bible. The Quran which mentioned something about Jesus who was supposed to be hyphothetically completely false, also suggests that the Angel of Gabriel was quoting to Muhammad things that hyphothetically completely false.
 
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