Can a Roman Catholic Attend a Byzantine Catholic Liturgy?

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marhaba said:
Lol… We don’t even believe that of Maryam (Mary)!
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The Immaculate Conception of the BVM is dogma that all Roman Catholics are obligated to accept, regardless of rite, including Maronites. It is not specific to the Latin rite.
 
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If you are a Roman Catholic of ANY rite, Latin, Byzantine, Marionite or Melkite. you have absolutely no choice but to accept the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the BVM without question. Failure to do so is heresy, and puts one outside of the Church. It is not a Latinization, but a dogma binding on all Roman Catholics.

When it comes to matters of dogma, there cannot be any differences between the various rites.

Here is an article for Maronites about the Immaculate Conception, but there is nothing in there that does not equally apply to all of the other rites.
https://livingmaronite.com/resource...e-feast-of-the-immaculate-conception-of-mary/
 
marhaba said:
And nobody seems to pay attention to what the women in a family are when it comes to the rite of their children! My grandmother was Orthodox. For what it’s worth.
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It does come up occasionally. I know a case in which the mother was Byzantine Catholic and the father was Anglican. The child was baptized in the Anglican Church, but raised in the Roman Catholic Church (including First Communion and Confirmation). She has been determined to be Byzantine, based on the Church enrollment of her only Catholic parent.
 
marhaba said:
There is absolutely no need to do a “canonical transfer” unless one wants to become a priest etc.
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It certainly makes it easier when it comes to baptizing children and it clarifies the situation for those children in the future. Many a Catholic has been surprised to learn that they are actually Byzantine when they want to get married. It is important to know this for a number of reasons, not the least of which is potential invalidity if the marriage is performed by a deacon in the Latin Rite.
 
AndrewAxland said:
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marhaba:
A canonical transfer of rite is more than permission to marry.
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Yes, they were two different matters: permission to marry, and permission to join the parish. The transfer of rites was not needed for the former, but it was for the latter. Sorry for being unclear.
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At the time of the marriage, she would have been free to transfer to the rite of her husband, no permission needed, per CCEO.
 
marhaba said:
I was referring to Melkite belief which is identical to Eastern Orthodox belief in every way. The dogmatism is lacking as well. So in the Byzantine Church - one has more choice regarding this matter re. Maryam & other beliefs.
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Melkites also have no choice but to fully accept all of the exact same dogma that all other Roman Catholics must, including the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.

This is not a matter for discussion, but an extremely clear and unambiguous teaching of the church.

Perhaps you should discuss this with your Pastor. It seems that you have be given some faulty information about this.
 
Please don’t tell us what we believe. This is part of the problem…the Latins tend to talk down to us…we’re not “Roman” Catholic enough for you. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we’re too Catholic for the Orthodox and too Orthodox for the Catholics.

We aren’t Roman Catholic. That was a derogatory term anyway. I happen to be Ukrianian0Greek Catholic.
 
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That is correct. But she needed to be a member of a parish BEFORE she got married, and wanted to be a member of the Latin rite parish in which she had grown up. There were some other solutions available to them, but they were all a lot more complicated. According to the Pastor, this was the easiest option.
 
Angel_Gabriel said:
we’re not “Roman” Catholic enough for you.
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You’re barking up the wrong tree. I have no sense of Latin superiority over the other rites. At all.
Angel_Gabriel said:
We aren’t Roman Catholic.
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Yes you are. No two ways about it. You are in communion with the Bishop of Rome, which is the definition of Roman Catholic. You are exactly as Roman as any other member of any other rite, and obligated to believe in the exact same dogma as any other rite.
 
Well, you can keep right on telling yourself that. It doesn’t make it true. And your tone smacks of superiority. sigh, I think I’m done here.
 
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marhaba said:
I’m sorry but I have politely explained that Melkites differ from Maronites. They believe exactly as Orthodox.
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You are seriously mistaken. Perhaps you should discuss this with your Pastor. I won’t say any more on this matter.
 
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AndrewAxland said:
Yes you are. No two ways about it. You are in communion with the Bishop of Rome, which is the definition of Roman Catholic. You are exactly as Roman as any other member of any other rite, and obligated to believe in the exact same dogma as any other rite.
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There is no such thing as a member of a rite. Eastern Catholics are members of particular churches, not of rites. And being in communion with the Bishop of Rome no more makes us Roman Catholic than being in communion the Melkite patriarch makes members of other Catholic Churches Melkite.
 
Absolutely.

Just know, I want to learn.

However, how can you be in communion with Rome if you don’t agree with them in this regard?
 
Yes because they believe the Eucharist is the body,blood, of Jesus Christ our King
 
Huh.

So, essentially, it’s dumbed down to full communion with us Latins, but really more nuanced than that?
 
marhaba said:
As I have explained if we don’t believe any infant is born w/ sin; then Maryam was not born without it exclusively.
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Then no problem. You do accept the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the BVM. There is nothing in it that requires you to believe in original sin or that her conception was exceptional, just that if there was such a thing as original sin (which you don’t have to believe as that is not dogma), then Mary was born without it. It doesn’t matter if you believe that so was everybody else as well.
marhaba said:
We are separate but equal & in unity.
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That’s correct. The Melkite and the Latin Churches are indeed distinct (not separate) as equal members of the Roman Catholic Church, whose supreme head is the Bishop of Rome. The Latin Church is in no way “better” than any of the other member Churches.
 
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