Can an eastern rite bishop become the pope?

[JulianN]

Shudder. …

 

[ziapueblo]

He would the head of the Latin Church, right? He’s the bishop of Rome so he would be the bishop of that diocese which is Latin. I would assume he would have to celebrate the Mass. It would be interesting. I’ve heard of some eastern bishops in the “running” in the past.

My personal opinion is let the east be east and the west be west.

ZP

 

[dochawk]

I know they are in full communion, but I never saw an eatsern cardinal, and I wonder why

There are several, but the growing trend is for heads of EC churches to decline it. There are some long threads at byzcath.org a couple of years ago about whether it is ever the right thing for the end of a sui juris church to accept an internal roman position like this.

As for the papacy itself, it is widely believed that +Josyf Slipyj was a papabili in 1963.

Intriguingly, the protagonist in The Shoes of the Fisherman, who was heavily based on him, was elected Pope, and convened a Council which brought about some of the changes that actually happened at Vatican II. The book was published in 1963.

This is mainly why I ask - I was not sure if there´s a duty to celebrate the latin rite when both are in communion. So, I wondered, if an eastern cardinal elected as pope could simply use the eastern rite.

It’s not the Pope’s duty to celebrate the latin rite at so much the Bishop of Rome’s duty . . . but since these are necessarily the same person . . .

Note that recent popes have celebrated other rituals, and that Pope Frances held bi-ritual faculties before becoming a bishop.

It’s technically a possibility, but, as was said above, highly unlikely.

It has been a full half-century since the last time a non-latin right bishop was elected pope . . .

So, while someone of an Eastern rite could be elected, once he got in, he would be essentially and de facto Latin Rite.

Unlike priests, bishops are omni-ritual. In fact, they have the obligation to provide for the spiritual needs of all rites in their dioceses, including ordination of priests in those rites.

The abysmal failure of the north american bishops to meet this obligation, instead persecuting their charges, is the very reason we ended up with Eastern Catholic hierarchies in North America.

hawk

 

[giuseppe96]

I also think Cdl DiNardo would make a good pope. I kinda like Cdl Burke, but I know he’s a controversial figure.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

In theory, yes, however this would be pretty much a bad move.

Why? Well, you have to consider that the Pope is also in charge of the entirety of the Latin Rite. Yes he is in charge of the EC too, but they have there own traditions, where as the Pope upholds the traditions of the West.

That would be like a Guy running an all girls school. They have 2 different traditions and needs. Could My dad be the next President? Yeah, he meets all of the qualifications, but he probably isn’t the best one for the Job.

 

[Augustinian]

Unlike priests, bishops are omni-ritual. In fact, they have the obligation to provide for the spiritual needs of all rites in their dioceses, including ordination of priests in those rites.

I didn’t realize this. I was under the impression that the eastern bishop had the responsibility for the faithful in their eparchy

 

[dochawk]

I didn’t realize this. I was under the impression that the eastern bishop had the responsibility for the faithful in their eparchy

Diocese/eparches are (were?) territorial, potentially with multiple rites. The Eastern Bishops shouldn’t really exist in North America, but they’re necessary.

(Come to think of it, isn’t “the rest of the world” actually EP territory per canon, and not Roman? So maybe it’s the latin bishops that shouldn’t be here . . . :crazy_face:)

hawk

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I like Burke, considering that he is a traditionalist, but if we are going to put a traditionalist in the Pope seat then it should probably be Cardinal Sarah.

 

[Augustinian]

Diocese/eparches are (were?) territorial, potentially with multiple rites

Looking outside the west, the city of Kosice has both a Eastern eparchy and Latin Rite Archdiocese.

 

[twf]

Not just de facto… de jure…

 

[twf]

(Come to think of it, isn’t “the rest of the world” actually EP territory per canon, and not Roman? So maybe it’s the latin bishops that shouldn’t be here . . . )

Come on… you know that Rome changes canons like you change socks . Rome has direct responsibility for mission territories these days.
But hey, even if we’re looking at this from an Orthodox perspective, I’m pretty sure Moscow would “exercise economy” in regards to that particular ancient canon…

 

[dochawk]

Looking outside the west, the city of Kosice has both a Eastern eparchy and Latin Rite Archdiocese.

Dollars to donuts says that they’re actually in different cities, although one may be a suburb of the other. That’s even done for RC diocese raised where there is already an Orthodox or Anglican bishop.

An attempt is made to pay at least lip service to the ancient canon of one bishop per city . . .

But then, both the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix and my own eparchy, The Holy Protection of Mary Byzantine Catholic Eparchy of Phoenix, have Phoenix both in the name and their street address, so . . .

Come on… you know that Rome changes canons like you change socks .

Rome has direct responsibility for mission territories these days.

But is that because of the schism? I seriously don’t remember which was parceled to who (and were mission territory and unknown territory separate patriarchies?).

But hey, even if we’re looking at this from an Orthodox perspective, I’m pretty sure Moscow would “exercise economy” in regards to that particular ancient canon…

Basic rules of Russian negotiation, whether secular or ecclesiastical:

What is ours, is ours.
What was ours in the past, is ours.
What is yours, is negotiable.

hawk

 

[twf]

Dollars to donuts says that they’re actually in different cities, although one may be a suburb of the other. That’s even done for RC diocese raised where there is already an Orthodox or Anglican bishop.

Yes, in some cases you have “double dipping”, but often an effort is made. Locally, the Latin metropolitan is in Vancouver proper, while the Ukrainian Greek Catholic eparch is in New Westminster, a suburb of Vancouver. Actually the Latin see was originally New Westminster but it was moved to Vancouver over a century ago. I’m not sure when the Ukrainian see was established.

But is that because of the schism? I seriously don’t remember which was parceled to who (and were mission territory and unknown territory separate patriarchies?).

I’m not sure. I think there were regions within “the West” (Northern Europe say) that would have been missionary territories but directly under Rome… likewise unexplored parts of Africa would have been Alexandria’s mission territory.

 

[dochawk]

Oh, and I left out . . . Russia was part of the EP’s territory. North America isn’t part of what was granted to Russia.

hawk

 

[Wesrock]

Keep in kind the Pope isn’t a democratic or republic leader of the Church, but is the Bishop of Rome. Cardinals are Bishops who have been given formal offices in the Diocese of Rome. So when the Pope is elected, he’s elected by officials in the diocese of Rome. I don’t want to undermine the Pope’s role in the Church, but he is Bishop of the See of Rome.

Still, a Bishop from an eastern rite maybe could be elected, I think, but he’d become Bishop of a latin rite see.

 

[Wandile]

It has been a full half-century since the last time a non-latin right bishop was elected pope . .

I’m pretty sure this is a mistake because this is not true at all. The last Eastern Pope was over a millennium ago and most eastern popes were romans already or living in Italy celebrating in the latin tradition.

 

[poche]

Right about the time that Cardinal Slipji was made a cardinal, Hollywood made a movie about the election of an eastern rite bishop as Pope. It was called “In the Shoes of the Fisherman.”

 

[mrsdizzyd]

I several screenshots of the Eastern Cardinals at yesterday’s canonization mass…

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[twf]

Where did the non-Cardinal patriarchs come in during the procession? Before or after the cardinals? I’m really curious.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

Im sorry, you are right in that Patriarch Ibrahim Isaac is not a Cardinal. The others pictured (Souraphiel?, Alencherry and Cleemis) are Cardinals, however.

Nevertheless, I’m sure he processed in with the rest.