Can an eastern rite bishop become the pope?

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dochawk said:
I’m talking about Pope Paul VI, who was Ambrosian Rite at the time he was elected . . .
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Not to nitpick, but the Ambrosian Rite is still a Latin Rite, just not the Roman Rite. Its one of several rites under the umbrella of the Latin Church.
 
I assume you mean only city in the US, not the world?
Winnipeg also has both Ukrainian and Latin archbishops. Interestingly, the Ukrainian hierarch is a metropolitan, while the Latin prelate is not. Winnipeg is one of those very rare sees that is of archdiocese / archbishop rank without being a metropolitan see… so technically the highest ranking Catholic cleric in that city is the Ukrainian metropolitan.
 
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Wandile:
I’m pretty sure this is a mistake because this is not true at all. The last Eastern Pope was over a millennium ago and most eastern popes were romans already or living in Italy celebrating in the latin tradition.
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Who said anything about Eastern? 🙂

I’m talking about Pope Paul VI, who was Ambrosian Rite at the time he was elected . . .

hawk
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I hear you. You are aware that the Ambrosian rite is one of the rites of the latin tradition?
 
Probably no change to the Latin rite masses would be made, each rite would continue to keep its own traditions intact. A Pope from an Eastern rite, might, however, celebrate some of his private eucharists according to his own original rite - the Pope may celebrate in any Catholic liturgy
 
Don’t the Easterners have any beautiful and wonderful traditions that they’d love to share with the world, couldn’t an Eastern pontificate be a wonderful opportunity for that?
 
RCIAGraduate said:
If you could speculate, what would an “Easternized”-style Pontificate be like? For instance, what Eastern traditions could be introduced to the masses?
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I would love to see an “Easternized” Pontificate lol! We Byzantines have been trying to get rid of “Latinizations” for about 100 years or more.
RCIAGraduate said:
Don’t the Easterners have any beautiful and wonderful traditions that they’d love to share with the world, couldn’t an Eastern pontificate be a wonderful opportunity for that?
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We have plenty of lovely traditions in the Byzantine rite (I can only speak for the Byzantines here) but, as has been said before, the Pope of Rome is the bishop of Rome and the “Patriarch” of the West (I know that term is not used anymore). In my opinion, it would be like making the Prime Minister of Canada our President. Sure, he speaks english and our governments are similar, but he’s Canadian! He thinks differently then we Americans do. He has cultural differences that may not mingle well with ours. As St. John Paul II wrote in his Apostolic Letter Orientale Lumen, and I’m paraphrasing here, that the Latin Church should learn about and experience the Churches of the East. That does not mean one goes back and forth between his Roman Parish and Ruthenian Greek Parish for example, but learn about the East and her traditions.

My $.02 😄

ZP
 
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ziapueblo said:
I would love to see an “Easternized” Pontificate lol! We Byzantines have been trying to get rid of “Latinizations” for about 100 years or more.
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Are “latinizations” only prevalent in the West- or do the Byzantines have them in Ukraine and other eastern areas?

One would would expect that minority Byzantines might adopt some of the piety from their Latin neighbors and friends in America and other western countries. I’d also expect that Latins living in eastern countries might adopt “byzantinizations” as well.
 
Thank you! I didn’t know that about Winnipeg. Our Archbishop emeritus, Stefan Soroka, was from Winnipeg. Oh how I miss him. :cry:

Technically, if there is a second hierarch in the same city, he’s supposed to be Arch/Bishop of (name of Saint) in the city of _____. Example: There’s the Eparchy of Parma (Byzantine Catholic) and thex Eparchy of St. Josaphat in Parma. One city, two jurisdictions, two eparchs.

Re Philadelphia: The Ukrainian Catholic Archbishop of Philadelphia is Metropolitan for the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in the U.S. However, he is still Archbishop of Philadelphia just like the Latin Ordinary.

When we get a new Archbishop and Metropolitan, then Philadelphia will have 2 archbishops again. 😃
 
Margaret_Ann said:
Pope Paul VI was Ambrosian Rite? WOW. Link, please!
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gosh, it’s on the first page of his wikipedia article, and all over any biography.

He was the Archbishop of Milan at the time he was elected–and that is the home of the Ambrosian rite.

I first learned it from the RC religious brother at my EC parish.
Wandile said:
I hear you. You are aware that the Ambrosian rite is one of the rites of the latin tradition?
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Uh, yes. Very much so.

hawk
 
Augustinian said:
Are “latinizations” only prevalent in the West- or do the Byzantines have them in Ukraine and other eastern areas?
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I’m sure “latinizations” are more prevalent here in the Americas then in Eastern Europe, though I have no facts, just a guess. When Eastern Europeans migrated to the United States they had no bishop and where under the jurisdiction of the Latin bishop. Some of these bishops pushed some Latin traditions onto the Byzantine faithful so that they would “look” more Catholic or to not “scandalize” their RC parishioners, for example, married clergy.

Even though we have been called by Rome to rid ourselves of these “latinizations” they are deep seeded in some communities. These are very pius traditions and wonderful private devotions, the rosary for example, but don’t belong as part of the public worship of the Byzantine Church. It would be like Latin churches getting ride of the rosary before Mass and praying the Jesus Prayer, then Matins and then celebrate Mass, although, and I could be wrong, but I believe that is also the ancient tradition of the Latin rite.

ZP
 
ziapueblo said:
Some of these bishops pushed some Latin traditions onto the Byzantine faithful so that they would “look” more Catholic or to not “scandalize” their RC parishioners, for example, married
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How much of the “latinization” thing is due to Latin bishops? Do you think that at least some might have came into being organically- from Byzantine youth picking up devotions while attending Latin rite school or from their Latin Rite friends, neighbors and relatives?
 
That’s how Orthodoxy came into the U.S. In the late 1800s, Fr. Alexis Toth, a married Ukrainian Greek Catholic priest, came to present his credentials to Archbishop John Ireland, the local Roman Catholic ordinary because there was no Ukrainian Greek Catholic bishop in the U.S. The archbishop noticed a wedding ring on the priest’s hand and shouted at Fr. Toth: “Get out of my sight and never come back!” Well, Fr. Toth DID, because he left the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church for Orthodoxy. So a Roman Catholic bishop was the cause of the loss of countless souls.
 
runningdude said:
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Just a little note.

On paper de jure there are only about 13-16 million Eastern Catholics (depending on source)…

But in the EC parishes I’ve been to, usually a majority of the people there are actually de jure Roman Catholics, even though some of them haven’t been to a Roman Rite Mass in years, and thus are de facto Eastern Catholics.

I would bet that if those people were included along with canonical Eastern Catholics, the number of Eastern Catholics would be more like 50 or 60 or even 75 or 80 million.
 
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Once again so much (name removed by moderator)ut on CAF for me- thank you all for this vivid discussion! 😄
 
I believe that the criteria for election to Pope are a little bit less vague. It is my understanding that you must be male baptized into the Catholic Church, not just a baptized Christian male.
 
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