Can atheists do "good?"

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Not on their own initiative. No one can.

All goodness comes from God and only God is good. It’s good that Goodness will visit even those who deny Him. Wow, what an awesome God!
 
Many of them do. Humans are born with the ability to do good, this ability comes from God, but it’s a part of our nature which doesn’t vanish because of atheism, even if sin weakens it.
 
Atheists can do some good acts, however these acts won’t be meritous.

On the other hand, it is impossible for them to be good because they deny Goodness Himself: God. This is actually a grave offense.
 
Atheists can certainly do good. There is no doubt they can.

Where did we get the idea someone who believes God does not exist can do no good?

What a bizzarre idea.
 
Atheists can certainly do good. There is no doubt they can.

Where did we get the idea someone who believes God does not exist can do no good?

What a bizzarre idea.
Their good deeds, however, have no merit in the eyes of God. Just like a Catholic who has done good deeds. If that Catholic is in a state of mortal sin then their good deeds have no merit.
 
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AlsoRan:
Atheists can certainly do good. There is no doubt they can.

Where did we get the idea someone who believes God does not exist can do no good?

What a bizzarre idea.
Their good deeds, however, have no merit in the eyes of God.
I appreciate that you may have an advantage over me and that God actually told you that. If so, could you ask Him why I should do good deeds if He thinks they have no merit?
 
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Freddy:
I appreciate that you may have an advantage over me and that God actually told you that. If so, could you ask Him why I should do good deeds if He thinks they have no merit?
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That just tells me I have no real justification for holding to any particular moral position. Which doesn’t answer the question:

If my actions in doing what I consider to be good have no merit then why should I do them?
 
If my actions in doing what I consider to be good have no merit then why should I do them?
They have no merit in the eyes of God but if you are an atheist why would you care about that?
Doing something good is a step in the right direction towards God.
 
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Freddy:
If my actions in doing what I consider to be good have no merit then why should I do them?
They have no merit in the eyes of God but if you are an atheist why would you care about that?
Doing something good is a step in the right direction towards God.
OK. I think I understand. If I do something today then it has no merit. But if I then believe in God and do exactly the same thing then it does.

Glad you’ve cleared that up.
 
So it’s not that atheists cant’t do good, it’s that God sees no merit in any good they do?

God - almighty God who created the universe, whom Catholics believe died for people while they were sinners and who above all things is love, sees no merit whatsoever in an atheist say donating a kidney or a lobe of their liver to save someone, rescuing someone from drowning, or any small act of kindness?

Is that correct?
 
Good deeds, even if unmeritorious, are necessary.

On the one hand, good deeds alone at least secure a better earthly world, which I think atheists desire. Humans can understand the reason good works are necessary because many of them are closely related to natural law, which can be reached by human reason without Revelation.

On the other hand, people who do good deeds for love of God and love of neighbour preserve things such as order, goodness and justice on earth (natural level) and merit more glories in Heaven (spiritual level).
 
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Why would that be against forum rules? I’ve read guidelines and I am quite sure there isn’t anything against sarcasm.
OK. I think I understand. If I do something today then it has no merit. But if I then believe in God and do exactly the same thing then it does.
When it comes to our actions, our intentions matter while outcome mostly doesn’t. If you do something for God then that is merit in itself. Of course that doesn’t take away merit from what Atheists do. Good Samaritan wasn’t praised for being true believer… not by far. Faith helps in doing these things and in judging what is and isn’t good. It helps us overcome some earthly barriers and be radical about being good. It isn’t necessarily impossible without faith but our belief is that if you act good, it is through God helping you to act good. That doesn’t require you to believe that God exists or that He helps you, but He helps you anyway.

Faith itself helps us overcome many things in this path and it also guides us to Absolute Truth. We unite more closely with God and that is the point of our life here. To bring Heaven to Earth and ourselves to Heaven. There is no Heaven without God. Paul writes in the Bible that there is natural law in everyone’s heart and that even unbelievers are bound by that… but problem is that such law can be perversed, misinterpreted and/or ignored. When I was Atheist it wasn’t as hard to change my viewpoint on “that is good” and “that is bad” once one interpretation fit me more. I am not saying Atheists all do this and that it is common, I am saying that Faith necessarily prevents that if it is indeed correct.
 
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Freddy:
OK. I think I understand. If I do something today then it has no merit. But if I then believe in God and do exactly the same thing then it does.
When it comes to our actions…
Well put. I disagree with you but well put anyway.

And there’s no need for a capital A for atheist. It makes all atheists sound as if they’re all part of some homogenous group. When all we have in common is a lack of belief in gods.
 
And there’s no need for a capital A for atheist. It makes all atheists sound as if they’re all part of some homogenous group. When all we have in common is a lack of belief in gods.
I apologize 😃 I am quite used to doing that with certain words… I don’t really consider atheists homogenous group by far. Then again, neither do I consider theists or christians to be homogenous. Not by my standards at least 😃
Well put. I disagree with you but well put anyway.
Thank you. I understand that this is Catholic approach, which is far from atheistic approach but I wanted to somehow explain how we view it… especially because there was some sort of notion that actions of atheists can’t have merit.
 
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Freddy:
And there’s no need for a capital A for atheist. It makes all atheists sound as if they’re all part of some homogenous group. When all we have in common is a lack of belief in gods.
I apologize 😃 I am quite used to doing that with certain words… I don’t really consider atheists homogenous group by far. Then again, neither do I consider theists or christians to be homogenous. Not by my standards at least 😃
Well put. I disagree with you but well put anyway.
Thank you. I understand that this is Catholic approach, which is far from atheistic approach but I wanted to somehow explain how we view it… especially because there was some sort of notion that actions of atheists can’t have merit.
No worries, Orbis. But now you’ve put Christians with a lower case c. You’re driving me nuts! But it’s funny - I’m so used to writing ‘He’ when I talk about God that I quite often use a capital H when talking about us mere mortals.
 
But now you’ve put Christians with a lower case c. You’re driving me nuts!
Well I said I don’t consider us homogenous enough when it comes to being Christian/christian 😃 but yeah it is definitely more homogenous than atheists or theists are.
But it’s funny - I’m so used to writing ‘He’ when I talk about God that I quite often use a capital H when talking about us mere mortals.
😃 I am quite surprised how quickly habits form… and how they often show when they aren’t meant to 😃
 
Certainly, the closet atheist can do good when unconsciously complying with God’s encouragement. However, the proselytizing atheist should read Matthew 18:6.
 
If I do something today then it has no merit. But if I then believe in God and do exactly the same thing then it does.
The Catholic Encyclopedia (under its article on “merit”) notes that for a work to have “supernatural merit”, it must be:
  • morally good;
  • morally free;
  • done with the assistance of actual grace; and
  • inspired by a supernatural motive.
The last condition, “inspired by a supernatural motive” (ie done to please God out of love for Him) could be different depending on each person. Fr Pohle (in his work “Grace, Actual and Habitual”) (the work has the nihil obstat and imprimatur) discusses the difference between good acts done with and without a “supernatural motive”:

Sacred Scripture and the Fathers, St. Augustine included, admit the possibility of performing naturally good, though [supernaturally] unmeritorious, works (opera steriliter bona) in the state of unbelief; and their teaching is in perfect conformity with right reason.

a) Our Divine Lord Himself says: “If you love them that love you, what reward shall you have? Do not even the publicans do this? And if you salute your brethren only, what do you more? Do not also the heathens do this?” (Matthew 5:46-47) The meaning plainly is: To salute one’s neighbor is an act of charity, a naturally good deed, common even among the heathens, and one which, not being done from a supernatural motive, deserves no supernatural reward. But this does not by any means imply that to salute one’s neighbor is sinful.

St. Paul says: “For when the gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: who shew the work of the law written in their hearts.” (Romans 2:14-15) By “gentiles” the Apostle evidently means genuine heathens, not converts from paganism to Christianity, and hence the meaning of the passage is that the heathens who know the natural law embodied in the Decalogue only as a postulate of reason, are by nature able to “do those things that are of the law,” i.e. observe at least some of its precepts. That St. Paul did not think the gentiles capable of observing the whole law without the aid of grace appears from his denunciation of their folly, a little further up in the same Epistle: “Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened, etc.,” and also from the hypothetic form of Rom. 2:14.

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