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joyful
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If they stop going to church, stop praying, etc… but still believe in God?
Or will their purgatory just be more intense?
Or will their purgatory just be more intense?
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Limoncello4021
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Those who die in unrepentant mortal sin merit hell. Even the devils believe in God.
Do you own a Catechism? You can look it up.
Do you own a Catechism? You can look it up.
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Maximilian75
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Anyone can go to Hell, since anyone can die with unrepentant mortal sin on their soul.
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joyful
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Isn’t hell for people who don’t desire God?
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Maximilian75
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If they die with unrepentant mortal sin, they don’t want God.
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joyful
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I read in a book by Peter Kreeft that hell’s fire is actually God’s love but people who hate God’s love cannot stand it so it is torture for them?
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joyful
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I mean we all sin, but say you get hit by a car after you just lie to someone, does that mean that person would go to hell?
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Maximilian75
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It depends.
Did they regret it, or would they eventually have if they could have subjectively looked back on their actions?
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joyful
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mortal sins are done intentionally though, usually people who lie do so intentionally. the other posters mentioned dying in a state of mortal sin
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Maximilian75
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If the person
- lies
- knows lying is a mortal sin, contrary to God’s will
- lies completely willingly
Certainly there can be mitigating circumstances, and looking at mortal sin in such a legalistic manner is rather reductionistic of God’s mercy, but the bottom line is that God will not force someone into eternal relationship with him who did not want it. If you violate His divine law, it’s obvious you don’t want to be with him.
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We are prone to sinning due to our fallen nature. Just because a person sins doesn’t mean they dont desire God. There are a lot of people who sin and dont care that they sin, which is a different story…QwertyGirl:
If the person
then they have cut themselves off from God.
- lies
- knows lying is a mortal sin, contrary to God’s will
- lies completely willingly
Certainly there can be mitigating circumstances, and looking at mortal sin in such a legalistic manner is rather reductionistic of God’s mercy, but the bottom line is that God will not force someone into eternal relationship with him who did not want it.
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Maximilian75
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If they do so consciously, yes, it does mean that (at least for that moment in time).
For that split second, they loved lying/what they could gain from lying more than God.
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guanophore
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You seem to be ignoring the repeated posting of the word “unrepentant”. Baptized Catholics go to confession if they commit a mortal sin. This is how Jesus provided for our post-baptismal forgiveness of sins. If a Catholic rejects this grace, then they are rejecting the sacrifice of Christ, and there is no other way they can be saved.
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so you mean if they sin and feel bad about it, then even if they dont get the chance to go to confession before they die, they might not go to hell?joyful:
You seem to be ignoring the repeated posting of the word “unrepentant”. Baptized Catholics go to confession if they commit a mortal sin. This is how Jesus provided for our post-baptismal forgiveness of sins. If a Catholic rejects this grace, then they are rejecting the sacrifice of Christ, and there is no other way they can be saved.
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Maximilian75
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Yes. Exactly.
= a state of ‘repentance’
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guanophore
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Feeling bad has little to do with repentance, which means to turn a 180. You will notice that an Act of Contrition is not based on emotions.
Most Catholics who commit mortal sins have plenty of “chance to go to confession”, they just choose not to do so. They convince themselves their sin is not mortal, or they are too embarrassed to confess, or the sacrament is not something required.
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QwertyGirl
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I think everyone needs to be careful here. This reminds me of when I was in Catholic grade school. Father R. would come over a couple times a month to visit the class. We would wind up playing the game “What if”. What if I drink grape juice but spit it out and don’t swallow it 30 minutes before communion. Is that a sin? What if I take money out of my mom’s purse to buy ice cream but put it back before she comes home. Is that a sin? What if I tell my sister her dress looks nice when I really think it is ugly. Is that a sin?
There is so much more that goes into sinning than the act itself. It is all about intent. It is why no one (including myself) should be answering these kinds of questions here.
So if someone tells a lie (even intentionally) and immediately gets hit by a bus, who are we to say they don’t go to heaven. Maybe the knew the lie was wrong but they told it anyway. Maybe they didn’t consider that it was putting distance between them and God. Maybe they have a lying habit that were working on improving, but fell short.
When someone isn’t able to figure this out for themself, they should ask their priest if they are concerned about it. We have some people here who believe every act of human failure is a big, ugly sin. It isn’t that simple.
Now I am going to go remove my previous response because I shouldn’t have given a difinitive answer based on my opinion, either.
There is so much more that goes into sinning than the act itself. It is all about intent. It is why no one (including myself) should be answering these kinds of questions here.
So if someone tells a lie (even intentionally) and immediately gets hit by a bus, who are we to say they don’t go to heaven. Maybe the knew the lie was wrong but they told it anyway. Maybe they didn’t consider that it was putting distance between them and God. Maybe they have a lying habit that were working on improving, but fell short.
When someone isn’t able to figure this out for themself, they should ask their priest if they are concerned about it. We have some people here who believe every act of human failure is a big, ugly sin. It isn’t that simple.
Now I am going to go remove my previous response because I shouldn’t have given a difinitive answer based on my opinion, either.
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Limoncello4021
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You may wish to read up about the mercy of God. I suggest the autobiography of St. Faustina.
God condemns no one to hell. People who adamantly reject the mercy of God with their dying breath go to hell. They send themselves there.
God, who is love and mercy itself, could not possibly “throw” someone in hell merely because they lied and then were hit by a car without time for confession. But if that person had a history of spitting in the face of God, rejecting Him, and committing grave sin, and if they were unrepentant with their dying breath despite God’s last offer of mercy, they condemn themselves to hell.
God condemns no one to hell. People who adamantly reject the mercy of God with their dying breath go to hell. They send themselves there.
God, who is love and mercy itself, could not possibly “throw” someone in hell merely because they lied and then were hit by a car without time for confession. But if that person had a history of spitting in the face of God, rejecting Him, and committing grave sin, and if they were unrepentant with their dying breath despite God’s last offer of mercy, they condemn themselves to hell.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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Yes they can go to hell by committing a mortal and not truly repenting for it in confession before their death. Missing Sunday mass is a grave sin so they could go to hell for that and not praying kind of shows a presumption of sorts. Catholicism is not Sola fide or faith alone.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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If the lie was a mortal sin and they didn’t go to confession or have perfect contrition then yes. Most lies aren’t grave matter though. In order for a sin to be mortal it needs to have
- grave matter
- full knolwedge
- free consent
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