Can baptized Catholics go to hell?

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Christianity argues, however, that God did reveal Himself, did live among us on Earth, and did leave behind instructions on how to live our lives.

Maybe all that didn’t play out the way you want, but the last time I checked, He isn’t required to trot out His each and every plan for our approval…
 
The answer to the thread title is yes a baptised Catholic can go to Hell if he/she dies in a state of mortal sin.
 
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For a Catholic, maybe. For the rest of us, not so much.
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Fair enough.

But, the question was concerning Catholics.

I presume your answer is that baptized Catholics, or anyone, cannot go to Hell, because you believe there is no Hell.

I respect that opinion, but your opinion has no more merit than the opinion of Catholics, and the opinion of Catholics have no less merit than your opinion.

Just sayin’!
 
As long as we agree that ones man venial sin can be another mans mortal. It’s subjective.
 
I alaredy had posted upstream with regards to my thinking within Catholic guidelines.

My remark about not believing in hell was just my reflection upon reading all of the other posts. Not to derail the thread, but it is a reminder of how I see so many Christians living in a whole lot of fear. I don’t think that is how God wants us to live, at all. But I don’t really believe in God the same way Cathoics do, so it isn’t surprising that this is my observation.
 
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Either God exists or He doesn’t.
Either Hell exists or it doesn’t.
Either the Church is correct, or it isn’t.

Funny thing is, our personal beliefs have absolutely zero effect on whether God or Hell or Catholic Morality exists.

My belief in God and Hell don’t make it so.
Your disbelief in God and Hell don’t make it so.

It’s very outside of both of us 🙂
 
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If they stop going to church, stop praying, etc… but still believe in God?
Or will their purgatory just be more intense?
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God does not send someone to hell on some sort of technicality: ‘Oops, I slipped up, ten years of freedom from mortal sin but one little slip and now I’m hell-bound’. It could happen but it would have to mean a radical and complete shift away from love of God and neighbor. According to Scripture God judges by the heart first of all, which He knows way better than we do. Here’s a relevant teaching from the Catechism:
1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;620 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”:621
 
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joyful said:
I read in a book by Peter Kreeft that hell’s fire is actually God’s love but people who hate God’s love cannot stand it so it is torture for them?
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Respectfully opinion only pondering 🤔 Fire of Love 💗 🔥
Truth? Righteousness? no more innocent suffering? lion will lay down with the lamb? men will take their swords and make them into plow shares? All will >>know me>>? Will need no one to teach them?

Isaiah 24: 23 >
The Lord who rules over all will rule on Mount Zion in Jerusalem
They Elders of the city will be there
They will see his great glory
His rule will be so glorious that
the sun and moon will be
too ashamed to shine

On earth a new>>Eutopia will take place> all will see? godless will no longer be? All will know?
Love, Peace, Joy, Harmony, Unity, Oneness will exist and be seen all through out?

2 Peter 3:5-7
They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago and an earth was formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world of that time was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgement and destruction of the godless.
continue reading 2 Peter 3 :8…

As it is above so shall it be below? 🤔

Renewed Covenant Promise>>Jeremiah 31:31-34>>I Will and all will know me?
A prophecy of his prophet Jeremiah, has this prophecy come to pass yet? I Will, not man? Circumcise our harden hearts of stone? First time wrote his Torah Laws Ten commandments on stone, this time will write his Laws of Love upon our hearts of flesh? All will live by his righteous laws without even thinking about them? 🤔

Power of >The Fire of Love 💗 🔥 🤔
Greatest Love story ever told, will come to pass?

Jesus tells us he is the>> first spark>🔥> in darkness?
Love came to restore what was broken?

Written, Jesus tells us, >> They have harden hearts of stone?
Jesus did he not come to>> restore, give us all the path, the >>way >>to return? How to become righteous within each one of us, teaching us all a > way of Life and how to live?

Written is it not>>My yoke is not heavy?
Change our harden hearts of stone?
Seek to become the fullness of love within each one of us, maybe?

Within his Spoken Word, he gives us instructions and teaches us > How?
Repent> Return> Restore>Renew >> what is broken within us, make ourselves whole again, was this Jesus teaching?
Followed by James Epistle>be doers?
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Was Jesus expecting billions of sparks of light to follow after him?

As written,>> Love 💗 conquers all >>

Pondering on his Spoken Word 🤔

Peace 💗
 
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I believe in a God of unfathomable mercy… which makes it hard to argue what He would and wouldn’t forgive.
 
Maybe, but there are a lot of (what I consider) fear-based questions on this forum. I just don’t believe God wants us to spend our lives (a blink in time) living in fear like that. I try to do the best I can in life. I think that is pleasing to him, considering the way he made us. He created us as imperfect (by human standards). By that I mean he created us in a way that, for whatever reason, we make mistakes and have failings. We are right on schedule, with those things.

Of course, Christians believe in “the fall” and all that. As an agnostic, I don’t.
 
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Not quite.
Objectively mortal sins are objectively mortal across the board.
However, the individual’s subjective guilt, or culpability, has to do with the three factors of knowledge, consent and freedom.
 
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We are prone to sinning due to our fallen nature. Just because a person sins doesn’t mean they dont desire God.
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You seem to be ignoring the repeated posting of the word “unrepentant”. Baptized Catholics go to confession if they commit a mortal sin. This is how Jesus provided for our post-baptismal forgiveness of sins. If a Catholic rejects this grace, then they are rejecting the sacrifice of Christ, and there is no other way they can be saved.
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so you mean if they sin and feel bad about it, then even if they dont get the chance to go to confession before they die, they might not go to hell?
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Joyful,

Contrition / repentance has conditions.

From the CCC

1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.

1453 The contrition called “imperfect” (or “attrition”) is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin’s ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.

1457 According to the Church’s command, “after having attained the age of discretion, each of the faithful is bound by an obligation faithfully to confess serious sins at least once a year.” Anyone who is aware of having committed a mortal sin must not receive Holy Communion, even if he experiences deep contrition, without having first received sacramental absolution, unless he has a grave reason for receiving Communion and there is no possibility of going to confession. Children must go to the sacrament of Penance before receiving Holy Communion for the first time.

The theme here is to respect the sacrament Jesus established for the forgiveness of sin especially grave (mortal) sin.

As John taught, forgiveness of mortal sin vs venial sin is different.

1 Jn 5:
16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

Therefore, we need to avail ourselves of the sacrament.
 
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All of which I believe 🙂
I was commenting on how some people congratulate themselves on their enlightenment because they’ve outgrown what they see as silly superstitions, but their belief (and to be fair, my belief), doesn’t cause God to either exist or not exist.

If everybody in the world became an atheist this instant, God would not cease to exist.
If everybody became a believer this instant, it would not cause God to be.
 
In Roman Catholic moral theology, a mortal sin requires that ALL of the following conditions are met:

Its subject matter must be grave.

It must be committed with full knowledge (and awareness) of the sinful action and the gravity of the offense.

It must be committed with deliberate and complete consent.
 
Murder, for example, isn’t always mortal. If the person has a deep rooted psychiatric condition that leaves him unable not to “freely choose” - not mortal
 
No, it’s still mortal.
However, the person isn’t as culpable or guilty.

I know it probably looks like splitting hairs 🙂
 
Upon reading you’re posts, I think we might be on the same page, or very close to it, but operating under different definitions.
I’m not a theologian, so I ask you to bear with me.
 
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