Can Catholics and Mormons work together?

[tommyberryhill]

Hello, my name is Tommy, and this probably sounds like a dumb question. But I believe the judgement of who is fit for heaven is not based upon the answers to theological intricacies- such as who is right about their theological beliefs and who is wrong. I’m starting to see that it is more about helping the poor, visiting the prisoner, feeding the hungry, etc…

You know, when Brother Dorsey came in, it was like- Full steam ahead; let’s blow this guy out of the water. And the poor guy has been attacked when he plainly told you that he did not come to try to convert anyone and that he wasn’t going to be converted. Perhaps Catholics can look at the Blessed Mother Teresa as an example. When she was in India, she never told the natives to accept her theological beliefs so they could attain heaven. What she said was that the people should serve the Religion they had been serving, with as much charity and humility as possible. I don’t know which Mormon to compare it to, because I know very little about it. But what I do know is that all these attacks on people are not going to accomplish anything. Want proof of that? Remember September 11th, 2002 when the planes hit the twin towers and obliberated them? It only caused hatred and strife to be stirred up in America! Why can’t we just agree to disagree, and emphasize the goodness of both theological points of reference. To the Catholics: Why let these people of a different faith bother you? Who cares if they don’t believe in the Trinity or Eternal damnation or whatever. Most of these people are good people, anyway. Isn’t ending poverty in the world a more commendable goal than worrying about some theological junk that matters little in the long run. To the Mormons: Apologies for some of the guys on this website, Any religious tradition is suspicious of something that is different from them. Why are we hating and devouring each other when LOVE and CHARITY are the EXEMPLARY values that should be upheld. That is what Christ taught, and the scriptures clarify - that love is the supreme law.

Tommy

 

[Annie_B]

Hello, my name is Tommy, and this probably sounds like a dumb question. But I believe the judgement of who is fit for heaven is not based upon the answers to theological intricacies- such as who is right about their theological beliefs and who is wrong. I’m starting to see that it is more about helping the poor, visiting the prisoner, feeding the hungry, etc…

You know, when Brother Dorsey came in, it was like- Full steam ahead; let’s blow this guy out of the water. And the poor guy has been attacked when he plainly told you that he did not come to try to convert anyone and that he wasn’t going to be converted. Perhaps Catholics can look at the Blessed Mother Teresa as an example. When she was in India, she never told the natives to accept her theological beliefs so they could attain heaven. What she said was that the people should serve the Religion they had been serving, with as much charity and humility as possible. I don’t know which Mormon to compare it to, because I know very little about it. But what I do know is that all these attacks on people are not going to accomplish anything. Want proof of that? Remember September 11th, 2002 when the planes hit the twin towers and obliberated them? It only caused hatred and strife to be stirred up in America! Why can’t we just agree to disagree, and emphasize the goodness of both theological points of reference. To the Catholics: Why let these people of a different faith bother you? Who cares if they don’t believe in the Trinity or Eternal damnation or whatever. Most of these people are good people, anyway. Isn’t ending poverty in the world a more commendable goal than worrying about some theological junk that matters little in the long run. To the Mormons: Apologies for some of the guys on this website, Any religious tradition is suspicious of something that is different from them. Why are we hating and devouring each other when LOVE and CHARITY are the EXEMPLARY values that should be upheld. That is what Christ taught, and the scriptures clarify - that love is the supreme law.

Tommy

Well said:thumbsup: I am LDS but I LOVE Mother Teresa and her approach to loving God and loving our fellow man. I bought myself 4 books by her and I am learning so much about true love of God’s children. She was an absolutely amazing woman and we all could learn so much from her. Thank you for your post. I hope it is received in the spirit that it was posted
Annie

 

[tundramom]

Want proof of that? Remember September 11th, 2002 when the planes hit the twin towers andpeople, anyway. Tommy

How about September 11, 1857?

When the travelers hit the Mountain Meadows. What about them Tommy?

in Christ
Steph

 

[Annie_B]

How about September 11, 1857?

When the travelers hit the Mountain Meadows. What about them Tommy?

in Christ
Steph

What about them? It was HORRIBLE…There was no excuse or justification then just as there was no excuse for what happened Sept. 11, 2001. Tundramom, what about the spirit of Tommy’s post? What do you think of it? How would you respond to it?

Annie

 

[tundramom]

What about them? It was HORRIBLE…There was no excuse or justification then just as there was no excuse for what happened Sept. 11, 2001. Tundramom, what about the spirit of Tommy’s post? What do you think of it? How would you respond to it?

Annie

I think we can all work together for the better good of Man such as good for human beings and humanity and all that good stuff. But we can’t just establish good works for good itself. In helping the poor we’re pretty good at working togehter. For the physical problems in our society… good! But for the problems with the soul, we can’t work together. Our theological differences are at odds with one another. I believe that the Catholics are obligated to help people to repent and come to Christ. While I believe that Mormons are good at helping the physical being, their help with the immortal soul is highly in doubt.

in Christ
Steph

 

[tommyberryhill]

How about September 11, 1857?

When the travelers hit the Mountain Meadows. What about them Tommy?

in Christ
Steph

Well, I never said that Mormons were perfect and I never said Catholics were perfect. But Hinduism was responsible for the martyrdom of St.THOMAS, and yet here is a saintly lady urging people to put aside their differences. You know, we can really learn alot more and put aside our differences…

Tommy

 

[zerinus]

Well said:thumbsup: I am LDS but I LOVE Mother Teresa and her approach to loving God and loving our fellow man. I bought myself 4 books by her and I am learning so much about true love of God’s children. She was an absolutely amazing woman and we all could learn so much from her. Thank you for your post. I hope it is received in the spirit that it was posted
Annie

I too have great admiration and respect for Mother Teresa and the great work that she did. I think that she exemplified the commandment of Jesus to love your neighbor as your self perfectly; and I am sure that in heaven she will receive the reward that Jesus promised. But at the same time bear in mind that, as her letters revealed after her death, most of her life she suffered a crisis of faith that she was not able to resolve to the end of her life. That is a crisis of faith that a truly converted Mormon can never have. The “testimony” that a converted Latter-day Saint can have is something so precious that the treasures of the whole earth cannot be compared to it. That is something that can only be obtained through affiliation with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It cannot be obtained in any other church. Someone who has that witness need no longer walk in darkness, but in the full light of the gospel of Jesus Christ. And I do no say this to in any way diminish from the stature of Mother Teresa as true Christian of the highest ideals, and with the highest rewards that Jesus promissed in heaven.

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

**Can Catholics and Mormons work together? **

Tommy

Actually, Catholics and Mormons do work together—and very successfully, I might add. It is only Mormons and apostate-Mormons-turned-false-Catholic who can’t work together. (Not that anyone cares, I might add!)

zerinus

 

[tommyberryhill]

I too have great admiration and respect for Mother Teresa and the great work that she did. I think that she exemplified the commandment of Jesus to love your neighbor as your self perfectly; and I am sure that in heaven she will receive the reward that Jesus promised. But at the same time bear in mind that, as her letters revealed after her death, most of her life she suffered a crisis of faith that she was not able to resolve to the end of her life. That is a crisis of faith that a truly converted Mormon can never have. The “testimony” that a converted Latter-day Saint can have is something so precious that the treasures of the whole earth cannot be compared to it. That is something that can only be obtained through affiliation with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It cannot be obtained in any other church. Someone who has that witness need no longer walk in darkness, but in the full light of the gospel of Jesus Christ. And I do no say this to in any way diminish from the stature of Mother Teresa as true Christian of the highest ideals, and with the highest rewards that Jesus promissed in heaven.

zerinus

Thank you, Zerinus. Good day to you.

Tommy

 

[tommyberryhill]

Good morning to you all. I hope you all had a good nights sleep
I didn’t mean to stir up a hornet’s nest up here. I just want to see people of religious differences to put aside these religious differences and work toward the common good. Do you know who Jesus hung out with? He hung out with the most depraved people of his time. Who did he say negative things about? The most religious people of his day- The Pharisees! Why can’t we just put aside our differences and remember that Jesus loves each one of us- regardless of what our religion is? He values humility, charity, and compassion. Keep this in mind before we turn this into another battle board…

Tommy

 

[why_me]

Catholics and Mormons work together all the time in business and in the community. It is really just a small group of Zealots that keep the pot stirring. For most people it matters little what religion a person is. What does matter is the human qualities that the person possesses for most people on this earth.

Here is an example of mormons and catholics working together:

bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A20501821

Helping Hands Day, 30 June, Sunbury–A Success!

A big THANK YOU to everyone who came to Helping Hands Day at the Sunbury-on-Thames project! It took place at St Pauls Catholic College and was attended by 150 Mormon church members, community and friends. The Mayor of Spelthorne came with his wife to open the day of service and was impressed with the teenagers, children and adults who painted four corridors, a girl’s toilet room, 6 classrooms, pruned trees and cleared nearly 200 sq metres of overgrowth in just a few hours!

The premises managers were on site and had this to say, “what a pleasure it was working with such a lovely bunch of people. You have helped uplift two areas within the college for which we grateful and I am sure the students will be as well.” The Mayor also mentioned how refreshing it was to see teenagers willing to donate a Saturday to a service project. He hopes more young people will follow the example of the volunteers and feel a part of their community.

It was great to see members of different faiths work together to give much needed help to the college. The transformation was amazing to see. It was about giving back to the community and sharing skills and time for a worthy cause. The volunteers are looking forward to next year’s project. We hope you will be able to join us!

Here are the details of the event:

Once a year a Helping Hands Day project in the Surrey area is chosen to benefit and strengthen the community by working together. This year our project is going to be taking place at Sunbury-on-Thames at St Pauls Catholic College TW16 6NX

St Pauls has 1100 students attending from year 7-11 studying technology and sciences. The college is in desperate need for help to refurbish the existing facilities and provide a neat working environment on it’s beautiful campus, which means a bit of painting and cutting back some overgrowth.

All you need to bring is a picnic lunch, clothes to paint in and a smile! We hope to see you there, feel free to ask any questions.

Helping Hands Day: 30 June, 2007 from 10:00-3:00.

Much thanks,

Helping Hands Day

I have posted this link on the catholic shrine thread.

 

[RC_Matt]

The “testimony” that a converted Latter-day Saint can have is something so precious that the treasures of the whole earth cannot be compared to it. That is something that can only be obtained through affiliation with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It cannot be obtained in any other church.
zerinus

Tommy:

This statement is precisely the kind arrogant xenophobic nonsense that causes trouble between Mormons and everybody else. In the first place it is absolutely untrue and, in the second place, it is blatantly insulting and debasing to anybody who is not a Mormon. This atttitude of pride and absolute superiority is perfectly self-evident in this particular instance; consider the topic and purpose of your thread, and then read the above Mormon response.

 

[VWcrazy]

The “testimony” that a converted Latter-day Saint can have is something so precious that the treasures of the whole earth cannot be compared to it. That is something that can only be obtained through affiliation with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It cannot be obtained in any other church.
zerinus
/QUOTE]

This sounds almost exactly what a Jehovah Witness would say.

 

[ApostateRLDS]

That is a crisis of faith that a truly converted Mormon can never have. The “testimony” that a converted Latter-day Saint can have is something so precious that the treasures of the whole earth cannot be compared to it. That is something that can only be obtained through affiliation with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It cannot be obtained in any other church

I think this should answer your question, Tommyberryhill.

 

[Annie_B]

Good morning to you all. I hope you all had a good nights sleep
I didn’t mean to stir up a hornet’s nest up here. I just want to see people of religious differences to put aside these religious differences and work toward the common good. Do you know who Jesus hung out with? He hung out with the most depraved people of his time. Who did he say negative things about? The most religious people of his day- The Pharisees! Why can’t we just put aside our differences and remember that Jesus loves each one of us- regardless of what our religion is? He values humility, charity, and compassion. Keep this in mind before we turn this into another battle board…

Tommy

Good Morning Tommy I think your intentions were quite honorable, but the sad fact is that most (I will never say “all” because you cannot lump all people of one faith together) of the Catholics here will get very upset, angry and sometimes downright rude (you can see from one of the following posts ) when you say ANYTHING good about Mormons. We LDS have a scripture that states: **“When ye are in the service of your fellow being, ye are only in the service of your God” (Mosiah 2:17). **That is how I see it; when we are serving others - of ALL religious groups or no religious group at all - we are serving God. Mother Teresa tried to see Jesus in ALL people - certainly not just Catholics We could all take a lesson from her, don’t you think?

Annie

 

[Annie_B]

Good Morning Tommy I think your intentions were quite honorable, but the sad fact is that most (I will never say “all” because you cannot lump all people of one faith together) of the Catholics here will get very upset, angry and sometimes downright rude (you can see from one of the following posts ) when you say ANYTHING good about Mormons. We LDS have a scripture that states: **“When ye are in the service of your fellow being, ye are only in the service of your God” (Mosiah 2:17). **That is how I see it; when we are serving others - of ALL religious groups or no religious group at all - we are serving God. Mother Teresa tried to see Jesus in ALL people - certainly not just Catholics We could all take a lesson from her, don’t you think?

Annie

I meant from one of the PREVIOUS posts

 

[Annie_B]

Tommy:

This statement is precisely the kind arrogant xenophobic nonsense that causes trouble between Mormons and everybody else. In the first place it is absolutely untrue and, in the second place, it is blatantly insulting and debasing to anybody who is not a Mormon. This atttitude of pride and absolute superiority is perfectly self-evident in this particular instance; consider the topic and purpose of your thread, and then read the above Mormon response.

Ok RC-Matt - where is YOUR response to the “topic and purpose of this thread”? Or would you rather just not answer? You are quick to condemn without giving your own response to the OP.

Annie

 

[RebeccaJ]

Ok RC-Matt - where is YOUR response to the “topic and purpose of this thread”? Or would you rather just not answer? You are quick to condemn without giving your own response to the OP.

Annie

Why lie? I can’t work with Mormons. If others want to, or need to, go for it. But I always see underlying motives that are meant to show just how fabulously superior Mormons feel they are to everyone else. I refuse to be a part of that.

Zerinus’ post showed just that, as does yours.

edit: Or, their motives are to convert people. I don’t say this out of inexperience. I have worked with Mormons for decades, and every meeting I have been in with them, they always include something about how their helping others will bring in converts.

So stop comparing Mother Teresa to this. Her motives were never to convert. And she never went around shouting out her good works like Mormons like to do.

 

[Annie_B]

Why lie? I can’t work with Mormons. If others want to, or need to, go for it. But I always see underlying motives that are meant to show just how fabulously superior Mormons feel they are to everyone else. I refuse to be a part of that.

Zerinus’ post showed just that, as does yours.

edit: Or, their motives are to convert people. I don’t say this out of inexperience. I have worked with Mormons for decades, and every meeting I have been in with them, they always include something about how their helping others will bring in converts.

So stop comparing Mother Teresa to this. Her motives were never to convert. And she never went around shouting out her good works like Mormons like to do.

I have NO ulterior motives, I do NOT try to “convert” others (that is up to God and God alone) I do NOT go around “shouting out” my good works. I feel that helping others has NOTHING to do with getting converts. Even the Jesus says in the Bible that **“you do it unto the least of these you do it unto me”. ** As far as comparing Mother Teresa, I ask YOU the following: Why don’t YOU stop comparing ALL Mormons to the ones you have had bad experiences with? Would you like anyone to lump ALL Catholics into the same behavior category? Either one would be impossible, as we are all human and none of us are perfect. We Mormons are not all the same - anymore than all Catholics are the same. The OP had a good point; why can’t we ALL break down the barriers that keep us from helping others and leave the “salvation” up to God. I trust that God is in control; do you?

Annie

 

[RC_Matt]

Ok RC-Matt - where is YOUR response to the “topic and purpose of this thread”? Or would you rather just not answer? You are quick to condemn without giving your own response to the OP.
Annie

Annie, I did respond to Tommy’s topic. I pointed out, by direct example, how difficult it can be to have amiable relationships with Mormons because of the inherent attitude of outright superiority; which most don’t hesitate to express – particularly to Catholics. I’m not saying ALL Mormons are like this, I have some close life-long Mormon friends who are totally cool, and you do sound like a genuinely nice and decent person yourself, but my overall experience with Mormons has been very unpleasant and I try to avoid them whenever possible. Not that I care what they believe, or don’t believe, but I just don’t need the aggravation and a lot of us (Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc.) feel this way. If you want to get along with others, you have to respect others; and you don’t show much respect by spewing the kind of garbage that comes from Mormons like Zerinus dude.

I have never, nor would I ever, tell someone of another faith that my faith community is the BEST, the ONLY true faith, and the ONLY way one can be with God. It’s the best way for me, but that’s not the case for everybody and I’m fully cognizant of that fact and respect others accordingly. Even though I am a practicing Catholic, and my faith has always been a very major part of my life, the overwhelming majority of my close friends are NOT Catholic; a couple aren’t even Christian. The only person I ever helped convert was my Baptist college roommate, and I did that unintentionally and without a word; he saw what I had and wanted it for himself. I certainly never criticized his faith, nor promoted my faith over his.

The point is that if you want others to play nice with you, you have to play nice with them; and you certainly don’t do that by telling people that they’re going to BURN IN HELL unless they convert to your faith. You don’t build relationships with other faith communities by overtly and constantly trying to proselytize their members. Jesus’ message was to “love you neighbor as yourself,” and this “God likes us better than you” kind of stuff is arrogant, stupid and gets real old, real fast. It puts people off immediately and that is EXACTLY the message the Mormon poster gave us.