Can Catholics be Democrats?

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That’s a great trend.

Looks like if we continue on that path, by 2050 will be under 250,000 a year.
 
This is the ultimate goal of almost everyone. Fewer abortions.

How we make this trend continue is up for debate, but that’s the goal. I contend that fixing the underlying reasons people seek abortions is most effective, and that making it illegal and ignoring the other issues will only make matters worse. I pray for the day that whether or not its legal is irrelevant, that it is only reserved for extreme circumstances.
 
Catholic Mother Country Italy has not made abortion illegal yet, or at least it is not apparent it has.
2015 94,000 abortions. 8.2 abortions per 1000 capita.

Mother Country of Christianity ISRAEL has not made abortion illegal yet, or at least it is not apparent it has.
2014 20,000 abortons 10.0 abortions per 1000 capita.
 
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But the number of abortions will continue to climb because overall population climbs.
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except they didn’t climb, they are falling, down from 1.5 mill at your chart high rate. the point is almost a million abortions isn’t something to rejoice over.

funny when its anti-2a even one life saved is worth it but when it is abortion …you get it
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This is the reason you should measure macroscopic data in per capita or ratio amounts
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except this is just an argument for the gun control groups, even chiraqians will tell you chiraq is safe just not the gang zones. numbers that really matter are more local in general.

ymmv
 
Perhaps you should clarify your economic theories first before telling me what works and does not work.
 
I have made my feelings known about Trump in conservative circles and have not gotten that sort of reaction, seriously, otherwise, I wouldn’t be saying this.
 
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except this is just an argument for the gun control groups, even chiraqians will tell you chiraq is safe just not the gang zones. numbers that really matter are more local in general.
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I’d rather live in the slums of Chicago than the slums of New Orleans. In Chi I’ve got a 16.4-in-100K chance of being shot. In the Big Easy, I’ve got a 46.9-in-100k chance.
 
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I have made my feelings known about Trump in conservative circles and have not gotten that sort of reaction, seriously, otherwise, I wouldn’t be saying this.
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Your experiences are individual.

My dad, on the other hand, couldn’t understand how a man could be a democrat and “be saved” (he wasn’t Catholic). Similarly, he was happy to break company with anyone who “spouted that liberal nonsense”.

Your example about Trump isn’t super good either because it’s becoming a non-partisan fact - Trump is a sub-par president.

Attack the memory of Reagan and see what you get. 😀
 
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I’d rather live in the slums of Chicago than the slums of New Orleans. In Chi I’ve got a 16.4-in-100K chance of being shot. In the Big Easy, I’ve got a 46.9-in-100k chance.
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go for it: try living in englewood.

per a chi trib website:

Englewood beats that hands down at 132 murders per 100,000 people
 
Vonsalza said:
I’d rather live in the slums of Chicago than the slums of New Orleans. In Chi I’ve got a 16.4-in-100K chance of being shot. In the Big Easy, I’ve got a 46.9-in-100k chance.
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Yep, and there is one ward in New Orleans that even the Cops don’t go into at Night. What happens in that Ward at Night stays in that Ward.

But also Blacks and other minorities are to never venture in to Livingston Parish. It is where David Duke is from. It probably the most racist and white supremacy region in the country. You can’t even go there accompanied by a white person.
 
Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict
  • Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year – or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2]
  • Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.[3]
  • As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.[4]
  • Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of “Guns in America” – a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5]
  • Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that “only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high.”[7]
  • Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. [8] Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as “Saturday Night Specials.”
 
B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime
  • Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home. [9] * Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:
  • States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%; [10] and * If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.[11]
  • Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission… without paying a fee… or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union – having three times received the “Safest State Award.”[12]
  • Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida’s concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state. [13] FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period – thus putting the Florida rate below the national average. [14]
  • Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder.
  1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin.
  2. And even the 155 “crimes” committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport. [15]
 
C. Criminals avoid armed citizens
  • Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole. [16]
  • Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed. [17]
  • Nationwide. Statistical comparisons with other countries show that burglars in the United States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign counterparts who live in countries where fewer civilians own firearms. Consider the following rates showing how often a homeowner is present when a burglar strikes:
  • Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great Britain, Canada and Netherlands: 45% (average of the three countries); and, * Homeowner occupancy rate in the United States: 12.7%. [18] Rapes averted when women carry or use firearms for protection
  • Orlando, FL. In 1966-67, the media highly publicized a safety course which taught Orlando women how to use guns. The result: Orlando’s rape rate dropped 88% in 1967, whereas the rape rate remained constant in the rest of Florida and the nation. [19]
  • Nationwide. In 1979, the Carter Justice Department found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of the attempted rapes were actually successful. [20] Justice Department study:
  • 3/5 of felons polled agreed that “a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun.” [21]
  • 74% of felons polled agreed that “one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime.”[22] * 57% of felons polled agreed that “criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.” [23]
 
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