Can Catholics be Democrats?

[XndrK]

Because most nationalists in my experience are not racist. I do think that @starshiptrooper’s opinions do tend toward borderline racism and I disagree with a lot of what he says. But from my experience with him, he’s not stupid, and is right on a surprising number of things. And if you don’t give him – or any of us – the decency of hearing us out and responding to us on our terms, nobody’s going to change their mind.

 

[edtaylor51]

Let’s be real. No one is going to change their mind - especially about politics - from an online message board. Especially someone who holds fringe views like nationalism/racism.

 

[XndrK]

Nationalism is a fringe view now?

 

[edtaylor51]

Nationalism, yes. Patriotism, no.

 

[XndrK]

What are your intentions when you discuss politics over the internet?

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

No this is Democrats re-writing history. There is no anti-black racist party. These people you talk of who are insignificant in numbers have the choice between a Republican party who have always believed in respecting citizens rights regardless of race and a Democratic party that is now mildly anti-white in its rhetoric. Given that choice they are going to choose the Republican Party. You have been taught to put the horse before the cart and associate the Republican Party with these people. That is clearly wrong and an attempt to shift blame from the historic evil of the Democratic Party and it’s continuing use of race politics albeit now in a different guise.

I live within the borders and confines of the Southern States. The Republican Party in this region contain a great number of Racists. It has been like this since George C Wallace shenanigans. The Racists of the Deep South are Republicans.

All of the Racists that were part of the Democrat Party in the Southern States became Republicans. That is established History.

 

[edtaylor51]

It’s futile with many militant republicans. Everything bad that’s ever happened is because of the democrats. 9/11, Vietnam, the Great Depression, the civil war, racism, the reformation, the great schism…all because of those lousy democrats.

 

[Vonsalza]

ok so we have abandoned the pro-life in favor of social progrevism; i got it

Unfortunately, you don’t “have it”.

I haven’t abandoned the pro-life stance. I’m just willing to admit that there are other issues that are worthy of consideration as well. And since legal abortion will undeniably continue to be part of the American culture, I don’t particularly consider the issue when casting my vote.

Remember; if the miracle happens and Roe V. Wade gets overturned, that wont make abortion illegal. It just throws it to the states. While Utah, Mississippi and a few states immediately surrounding those might pass state-level legislation to ban abortion, it will be available the next state over.

Legal abortion is a hard reality. So pick issues that are actually up-for-grabs when casting your ballot.

As I’ve said earlier, on those other issues I’m overwhelmingly a democrat.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

It’s futile with many militant republicans. Everything bad that’s ever happened is because of the democrats. 9/11, Vietnam, the Great Depression, the civil war, racism, the reformation, the great schism…all because of those lousy democrats.

And gee, I thought Republicans blamed all those things on Obama-Care alone.

 

[Vonsalza]

abucs:

You have been lied to. Fascism is a left wing ideology…

There are many people here old enough and educated enough to know better than this

Yeah, I found this odd too.

Most fascist regimes produce totalitarian leadership structures; a hallmark of classic conservative political theory.

 

[MonteRCMS]

No this is Democrats re-writing history. There is no anti-black racist party. These people you talk of who are insignificant in numbers have the choice between a Republican party who have always believed in respecting citizens rights regardless of race and a Democratic party that is now mildly anti-white in its rhetoric. Given that choice they are going to choose the Republican Party. You have been taught to put the horse before the cart and associate the Republican Party with these people. That is clearly wrong and an attempt to shift blame from the historic evil of the Democratic Party and it’s continuing use of race politics albeit now in a different guise.

If you want to see an anti-black racist party, just take a look at how the Democrats treat politically conservative black writers.

 

[Vonsalza]

This makes no sense.

Republicans fought against the Democrats in the battle for the right for blacks to vote…

And in an odd turn of political events, Republicans how work feverishly to disenfranchise the black vote through gerrymandering.

But I agree, 150 years ago, the reps were progressive and a great party.

Now they’re just the advocacy group for the ultra-wealthy that uses religious and social views as bait for cheap votes.

Make no mistake; if you’re a republican politician and you fail to overturn gay marriage, The Koch brothers will clap you on the back and say “What are ya gonna do, right?”. If you fail to pass their tax credits for petroleum surveying, you’re out unless you’re enormously popular elsewhere.

 

[Vonsalza]

abucs:

No this is Democrats re-writing history. There is no anti-black racist party. These people you talk of who are insignificant in numbers have the choice between a Republican party who have always believed in respecting citizens rights regardless of race and a Democratic party that is now mildly anti-white in its rhetoric. Given that choice they are going to choose the Republican Party. You have been taught to put the horse before the cart and associate the Republican Party with these people. That is clearly wrong and an attempt to shift blame from the historic evil of the Democratic Party and it’s continuing use of race politics albeit now in a different guise.

If you want to see an anti-black racist party, just take a look at how the Democrats treat politically conservative black writers.

There’s some truth there. Dems don’t give conservative blacks a pass on the fact they’re black while the republicans try to find all of them they can so they can be hoisted up in an attempt to say “See??? We’re not racist! Look at my black friend over there! (a la Trump)”.

 

[Vonsalza]

brian_custer:

ok so we have abandoned the pro-life in favor of social progrevism; i got it

And it’s not even progressive either, the championing of sodomy is regressive.

What are you even talking about???

So are all these other evil means Clinton and the Democrats pursue to kill off their own population…

Their goal is obviously not to “kill off their own population”.

It is to preserve a right they think women ought to have. Abortions both in number and per capita rate are about as low as they’ve ever been on record. I don’t see any dems sitting around saying “Man! I wish we could get people to have more abortions!”

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Your rhetoric here was unambiguously inflammatory, factually hollow and tremendously sub-par overall. For the sake of the legitimacy of these forums and this discussion, let’s try to stick to measured rhetoric - both sides please.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Within those states that would ban abortion, abortion could become a lucrative business or a safe-haven on Indian Reservations as long as “Registered Indians” are performing the abortion. Mississippi for example contains the "Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians’ Utah has Uintah and Ouray Indian Reservations.

And if a State along a Canadian or Mexican Border banned abortion, they would just cross the Border.

And if a Coastal State banned abortion, they could just go offshore on a floating abortion clinic. States have limited jurisdiction on ocean. But to be safe, it would behoove the clinic to go 12 nautical miles out into international waters.

And secondly there are abortion pills and morning after pills. Not even a State can prevent Internet Orders. And the State has no jurisdiction over the USPS.

And thirdly, do a search on “Herbs for Abortion”. Now there are claims that cinnamon is being considered a cause for miscarriages.

In summary, banning abortion would not stop it at all. What is the saying?
If there is a will there is a way.

 

[Victorygirl]

There are things a President can do to kill and make millions and billions
suffer, that doesn’t include abortion. So when people say you have to be
right wing I say that is not true. But keeping this in mind, God loves
everyone and that includes Republicans, Democrats and any other party.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

There are things a President can do to kill and make millions and billions

suffer, that doesn’t include abortion. So when people say you have to be

right wing I say that is not true. But keeping this in mind, God loves

everyone and that includes Republicans, Democrats and any other party.

Bravo Zulu,
By George, I think she’s got it.

 

[Annie]

Seems to me that we have had laws against murder for centuries, and yet, people still find ways of murdering others, don’t they?

Now, imagine if we removed all legal restrictions for murder, do you think we would have more murders, or fewer?

The fact that an act is prohibited by law does not mean it will be eradicated, it means that the government believes it to be sufficiently wrong that it is willing to spend resources to finish those who commit the act.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Just like Drugs, they have been made Illegal for a very long time.
Did making them illegal stop their usage? Nope

 

[billcu1]

Yes I’m glad you see it. The democrats have kept the blacks (and others) down and the poor down for a long time. It’s not to their advantage to have upward mobility. You would become wealthy and independent. Ergo, the evil one. There is one rule. There are no rules doesn’t get it for me personally.