Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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Dawnia said:
But how do you convince Dems to change if you won’t support pro-life Dems when they do show up?
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Let’s first see some true pro-life Democrats, ones who openly fight their party on their pro-abortion stance. Let’s see some pro-life Democrat politicians vote to give power to the Republican party when their party pushes abortion at every turn.

A “pro-life” Democrat politcian who votes into power the Democratic Party leadership is not pro-life.
 
zz912 said:
Let’s first see some true pro-life Democrats, ones who openly fight their party on their pro-abortion stance. Let’s see some pro-life Democrat politicians vote to give power to the Republican party when their party pushes abortion at every turn.

A “pro-life” Democrat politcian who votes into power the Democratic Party leadership is not pro-life.
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Pertinent to this topic too is the fact 2 former DemocratIC of the Louisiana legislature changed party affiliation to Republican. I know of 1 but I’m rather 2 changed. Oh, and for whatever significance it has, these two politicians were not white.
 
Mulligan2 said:
That’s a gross oversimplification.

I don’t vote for the Republicans because I believe their policies are bad for our country. However, that’s not to say that I always vote for the Democratic candidate.

On the issue of abortion, I oppose the GOP on this issue because their focus is on supply and not on demand. I believe their policies are the weakest in terms of negating the reasons why women seek abortions in the first place. So while Republicans talk a good game, their policies don’t address the reasons why. And I recall the Ohio Republican lawmaker who was asked during an interview “Why do you think women have abortions?” He paused for a moment and then said “I don’t know. I guess I’ve never really thought about it.” Brilliant.
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So you saw an inarticulate Republican on TV and that justifies voting for pro-abortion candidates?

In what other instances where human life is taken do you believe there should be me no laws against it until we address the reasons “why”…
 
Dawnia said:
The top reasons sited for having an abortion are convenience and relationship issues. How do you legislate people not be selfish and/or not have sex with people they don’t want to have children with? Those are issues better addressed by laity and religious, not politicians.
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Having counseled in a CPC for may years I do have some insight into this. The primary reason women have abortion is that the child is coming at an inconvenient time(either for them, the Father of the child or their parents) and out culture has taught them that killing the child is an acceptable alternative to removing this inconvenience.

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Has anyone else noticed how difficult it is to get through to some people? Please keep the message of God going to the “choicers” = NO to killing babies! If they choose to call themselves “Democrats”, don’t be fooled into thinking they could be the lesser evil. Who want’s to deceive souls the most? Satan does and he is rampaging in the world. During these dark times, listen to the answer to the question “Can Catholics Vote Democrat?” - NO"
 
zz912 said:
Let’s first see some true pro-life Democrats, ones who openly fight their party on their pro-abortion stance. Let’s see some pro-life Democrat politicians vote to give power to the Republican party when their party pushes abortion at every turn.

A “pro-life” Democrat politcian who votes into power the Democratic Party leadership is not pro-life.
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There have been some presented already in this thread.

You cannot expect the leadership to change if you’re unwilling to support those Dems willing to stand up for life. However, I do think that just saying they are pro-life is not enough, they have to have actions to back it up.
 
zz912 said:
So if your only two options at the local level are the Nazi Party and the Communist Party, it’s okay to belong to the Nazi Party?!?!

Of course not. When a political party has gone so far down the trail in its support and cooperation with evil, it is simply inexcuseable to belong to that party. There is no acceptable reason why you belong to the party.
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I agree. Parties whose very essence (e.g Marxism) depends on something contrary to the faith, and parties that have no chance of reforming shouldn’t have Catholic members.

The question is does the Democratic party ultimately have no hope of reform and is the very essence of the party, what makes it what it is (and perhaps this varies based on location–the party isn’t monolithic), defined by something antithetical to the faith. Ultimately that requires prudence.
 
ringil said:
The Democratic Party.

THe use of that term demonstrates a lack of objectivity in providing feedback regarding the question of the OP.

You speak of “hatred of the GOP” and show a disdain (hatred perhaps) of the Democratic Party. How can folks tryst that you you provide non-biased feedback drawing on only doctrinal questions when you refuse to use the accurate name of the Party?
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So the “hatred of the Democrat party” you speak of results in spelling a word differently. The hatred of the GOP we speak of results in turning a blind eye to the killing of the unborn. You reserve criticism for the former. I haven’t noticed much about the latter.

And I’d like an answer: do you think the unborn are worthy of protection by the law?

Ishii
 
Dawnia said:
But how do you convince Dems to change if you won’t support pro-life Dems when they do show up?
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It’s not a matter of convincing dems to change. It’s a matter of getting Catholics to put their faith before politics. Judging from this thread is say we have our work cut out for us: it seems the unborn are down the list - after misspelling the word Democrat.

Ishii
 
zz912 said:
I’ll give you a hint: The party starts with the letter “D”, and ends with “emocratic”. Or in other words, the pro-abortion party.
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Is there a source for that or is it just a guess?
 
ishii said:
So the “hatred of the Democrat party” you speak of results in spelling a word differently. The hatred of the GOP we speak of results in turning a blind eye to the killing of the unborn. You reserve criticism for the former. I haven’t noticed much about the latter.

And I’d like an answer: do you think the unborn are worthy of protection by the law?

Ishii
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It the usual attempt to derail the thread into a semantics argument-much easier to argue semantics than defend the democrat Partys support of Abortion, homosexual marriage and forcing Nuns to buy contraception
 
ishii said:
It’s not a matter of convincing dems to change. It’s a matter of getting Catholics to put their faith before politics. Judging from this thread is say we have our work cut out for us: it seems the unborn are down the list - after misspelling the word Democrat.

Ishii
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That’s Democratic…get it right 😛 (Ignore the fact I always use the abreviated form of Dem & Repub)

After spending time on secular news sites and their comment boards. Democrat isn’t even in the running for most offensive name change. That award, I think, goes to the name female Repubs get called.
 
It looks like Bishop Tobin switched from Democrat to Republican 08/22/2013. The article is printed this month

As he put it

"“The aha moment for me was the 2012 Democratic Party Convention. It was just awful,” Bishop Tobin told the GOP gathering, while noting that he had been a Democrat since 1969. “I just said that, ‘I can’t be associated structurally with that group,’ in terms of abortion and NARAL and Planned Parenthood and [the] same-sex ‘marriage’ agenda and cultural destruction I saw going on.”

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/bishop-thomas-tobin-why-i-switched-to-the-republican-party/#ixzz3ArtdcBfc

The question I would ask the bishop,

This is not new knowledge for you about the Democratic party platform. This has been the democratic party platform for decades. What took you so long to do something about your own position?
 
steve_b said:
It looks like Bishop Tobin switched from Democrat to Republican 08/22/2013. The article is printed this month

As he put it

"“The aha moment for me was the 2012 Democratic Party Convention. It was just awful,” Bishop Tobin told the GOP gathering, while noting that he had been a Democrat since 1969. “I just said that, ‘I can’t be associated structurally with that group,’ in terms of abortion and NARAL and Planned Parenthood and [the] same-sex ‘marriage’ agenda and cultural destruction I saw going on.”

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/bishop-thomas-tobin-why-i-switched-to-the-republican-party/#ixzz3ArtdcBfc

The question I would ask the bishop,

This is not new knowledge for you about the Democratic party platform. This has been the democratic party platform for decades. What took you so long to do something about your own position?
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One wonders what the aha moment will be for the Democrat Catholics on this forum. Democrat Catholics: just how much more pro abortion would the democrat party have to get in order for you all to reconsider voting for them?

Ishii
 
Path_Finder said:
Good post, let’s not forget these also.

Point being, to me, it is fairly clear, this doesn’t say “all men were born equal”, it says “created equal”, that really speaks to conception to me.
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:yup: “created!”

:cool: - go ahead, reach for those red pencils … :mad:
 
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