Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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Path_Finder said:
I read an article about a “pro-life” Democrat but the article pointed out that he endorsed Obama so it is questionable as to whether he really was.

But I’m not necessarily coming down on this politician.

You might be a most strident pro-life person but somewhere one might be able to point out something of a person that still could be connected to abortion, abortifacients, birth control and so on. Maybe a vote, it wasn’t directly for abortion but perhaps there is still a connection and so on.

Though to me, endorsing a person who is basically known as one of the most pro-choice presidents ever and a favorite of planned parenthood is not being “pro-life”.
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That’s the problem with the “pro-life” Democrats: by their membership in the party they are aiding and abetting the Democrat party as a whole and by doing so are helping the abortion industry.

Ishii
 
Path_Finder said:
I’ll make sure once again, I will not vote for a baby being destroyed in their mother, possibly a baby of color, I won’t vote for Biden or Clinton or any of the other Democratic candidates mentioned.
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I am always curious when I see statements like:
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                  "possibly a baby of color"
Does that make one more noble when it comes to abortion? Do white babies matter less?" If one is truly anti-abortion, why is it necessary to mention race? Perhaps because there are no PP’s in Beverly Hills, the assumption is made that abortion doesn’t happen there? It does, but you don’t see it. The anti abortion crowd cannot interfere with a woman’s right to choose if she has the means to get a safe abortion. It bothers me that anti-abortion has become the cry of noble people try to only prevent poor women of color from obtaining legal abortions and not others who can obtain them discreetly.
 
Personanongrata said:
I am always curious when I see statements like:
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                  "possibly a baby of color"
Does that make one more noble when it comes to abortion? Do white babies matter less?" If one is truly anti-abortion, why is it necessary to mention race? Perhaps because there are no PP’s in Beverly Hills, the assumption is made that abortion doesn’t happen there? It does, but you don’t see it. The anti abortion crowd cannot interfere with a woman’s right to choose if she has the means to get a safe abortion. It bothers me that anti-abortion has become the cry of noble people try to only prevent poor women of color from obtaining legal abortions and not others who can obtain them discreetly.
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When you’re pro-life you do what you can to convince people. So some in the pro-life movement point out that a disproportionate number of black babies are aborted. I believe that in Mississippi over 70% of the abortions are of black babies. Given the history of racism in this country it makes sense to highlight this as evidence that the abortion industry is racist in origin. All unborn babies are equally sacred. But when more black babies are aborted than other races it makes sense to point that out.

Ishii
 
stinkcat_14 said:
If you vote for a pro-abortion politician it is considered “remote material cooperation” with abortion and that is not allowed.
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But what if both are pro-abortion? And voting for one will empower Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski, and Patty Murray to pass the “Abortion Without Limits Until Birth Act” whereas voting for the other will empower Marco Rubio and Rand Paul?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
But what if both are pro-abortion? And voting for one will empower Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski, and Patty Murray to pass the “Abortion Without Limits Until Birth Act” whereas voting for the other will empower Marco Rubio and Rand Paul?

Ishii
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In this situation we cannot say a priori who it would be moral to vote for. For example, in the current election there is little chance nancy will be speaker, so how much weight should we put on that possibility? That is something for prudential judgement.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
In this situation we cannot say a priori who it would be moral to vote for. For example, in the current election there is little chance nancy will be speaker, so how much weight should we put on that possibility? That is something for prudential judgement.
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In other words, there are situations where it might be prudent to vote for one pro-abortion candidate over another. So your earlier statement “voting for a pro-abortion candidate is not allowed” is not true.

Ishii
 
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ishii said:
In other words, there are situations where it might be prudent to vote for one pro-abortion candidate over another. So your earlier statement “voting for a pro-abortion candidate is not allowed” is not true.

Ishii
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What I said was you cannot vote for a pro-abortion republican over a pro-life democrat. I never compared two pro-abortion politicians.
 
Personanongrata said:
I am always curious when I see statements like:
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                  "possibly a baby of color"
Does that make one more noble when it comes to abortion? Do white babies matter less?" If one is truly anti-abortion, why is it necessary to mention race? Perhaps because there are no PP’s in Beverly Hills, the assumption is made that abortion doesn’t happen there? It does, but you don’t see it. The anti abortion crowd cannot interfere with a woman’s right to choose if she has the means to get a safe abortion. It bothers me that anti-abortion has become the cry of noble people try to only prevent poor women of color from obtaining legal abortions and not others who can obtain them discreetly.
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First off, this is an issue much like slavery, many support abortion and rationalize it that it is not a full human being just as slaves were not seen as full human beings per the Dredd Scott decision.

Margaret Sanger, the pioneer was a eugenecist and referred to certain people as weeds, her quotes are on the internet.

Planned Parenthood clinics yes, are in minority neighborhoods but despite your speaking about Beverly Hills, Minorities disproportionately get abortion. You can cite economic factors then.

Still, cite economic factors instead of a human being, it is a bit like the conundrum with Slaves, the unborn must not be seen as the full human beings they are in some places at least.
 
Many of us pay taxes, I certainly don’t want my tax dollars going as a sort of funding for people of any color to get abortions, probably moreso towards minorities in that planned parenthood clinics are set up in many minority areas, a ratio of about 80%, yes, let’s bring up killing, I don’t want the government to be involved in some operation of eliminating peoples and that just so happens to be usually in minority areas.

Families, white, black and brown were probably more united in 1960 than nowadays. You bet.
 
Lapey said:
Who has established that fasle statement besides individuals? Surely the Church has not.
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The Church has not established this as a false statement:

But to be a democrat does not mean you agree with every plank in the party platform. Also, as we have established voting for a democrat can be perfectly moral despite the problematic plank in the platform.

So your statement that this is false, is just as much an opinion as anyone’s. Is it really that hard to understand the difference between our opinions and Church teaching? We need the humility to avoid equating our opinions with the teaching of the Church and learn to understand the difference.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
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What I said was you cannot vote for a pro-abortion republican over a pro-life democrat. I never compared two pro-abortion politicians.
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Where does Church teaching say you cannot vote for a pro-abortion Republican over a pro-life Democrat?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Where does Church teaching say you cannot vote for a pro-abortion Republican over a pro-life Democrat?

Ishii
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So you are saying it is ok to vote for a pro abortion candidate? Those Catholics who voted for Obama were being consistent with Church teaching?
 
stinkcat_14 said:
In this situation we cannot say a priori who it would be moral to vote for. For example, in the current election there is little chance nancy will be speaker, so how much weight should we put on that possibility? That is something for prudential judgement.
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One can also weigh other issues in such a situation, as well as third party candidates, though electability is an important consideration that some as the most important factor.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
So you are saying it is ok to vote for a pro abortion candidate? Those Catholics who voted for Obama were being consistent with Church teaching?
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What if you have two abortion candidates? And one will put the Senate in the power of the Democrat party which is by, of and for the abortion lobby. The other will put the GOP in power which is pro-life. Which do you support?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
What if you have two abortion candidates? And one will put the Senate in the power of the Democrat party which is by, of and for the abortion lobby. The other will put the GOP in power which is pro-life. Which do you support?

Ishii
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So, you agree that it would be sinful to vote for a pro-abortion republican over a pro-life democrat.
 
It is disturbing if one hears something like “A black baby is 5 times more likely to be aborted than a white child”. I admit, the stats are disturbing. And yes, any abortion is disturbing.

There are a number of Pro-Life African American Pastors out there. Just read about Reverend Clenard H Childress. The stats are jaw dropping. I’ve met African American men and they think Planned Parenthood is pure evil, being in their neighborhoods.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
So, you agree that it would be sinful to vote for a pro-abortion republican over a pro-life democrat.
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How about answering my question first. Then I’ll answer yours.
ishii said:
What if you have two pro- abortion candidates? And one will put the Senate in the power of the Democrat party which is by, of and for the abortion lobby. The other will put the GOP in power which is pro-life. Which do you support?
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Ishii
 
ishii said:
How about answering my question first. Then I’ll answer yours.

Ishii
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The decision whether to vote for a republican or democrat when both are pro-abortion falls into the realm of prudential judgement. The Church has not taught explicitly about effects of votes on party leadership. Much more has been taught along the pro-abortion pro-life dimension.
 
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