Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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stinkcat_14 said:
The decision whether to vote for a republican or democrat when both are pro-abortion falls into the realm of prudential judgement. The Church has not taught explicitly about effects of votes on party leadership. Much more has been taught along the pro-abortion pro-life dimension.
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Has the Church said that in all cases, we must vote for so-called “pro-life” Democrats over a pro-abortion Republican?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Has the Church said that in all cases, we must vote for so-called “pro-life” Democrats over a pro-abortion Republican?

Ishii
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Cardinal Burke could not come up with a good reason not to. What makes more of an expert than him?
 
I need to chime in here having read all the pages because I think something is being misrepresented. The issue of whether a sincere Catholic should vote for a Pro-Life Democrat versus a Pro-Abortion Republican.

Lets address the possibility of a Pro-Life Democrat as being possible. Lets say Mark Shea decides to run for Congress. Anyone who has read his blogs and his Facebook page will know is that he is no lover of the Republican Party. However, he will criticize the Democrats when its warranted. I completely trust his pro-life principles and would expect to vote in accordance of that. It would not surprise me that if he ever did run for Congress that he would run as a Democrat. No doubt some people would accuse him of horrible things but I would trust him to vote morally. Where he lives in Washington State, is a very progressive (i.e. Liberal) State and it would not be surprising that his Republican counterpart could be Pro-Abortion.

If I was a voter in his area, I couldn’t vote for the Republican. Shea’s voting record will not/should not help the pro-abortion lobby at all.
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
I need to chime in here having read all the pages because I think something is being misrepresented. The issue of whether a sincere Catholic should vote for a Pro-Life Democrat versus a Pro-Abortion Republican.

Lets address the possibility of a Pro-Life Democrat as being possible. Lets say Mark Shea decides to run for Congress. Anyone who has read his blogs and his Facebook page will know is that he is no lover of the Republican Party. However, he will criticize the Democrats when its warranted. I completely trust his pro-life principles and would expect to vote in accordance of that. It would not surprise me that if he ever did run for Congress that he would run as a Democrat. No doubt some people would accuse him of horrible things but I would trust him to vote morally. Where he lives in Washington State, is a very progressive (i.e. Liberal) State and it would not be surprising that his Republican counterpart could be Pro-Abortion.

If I was a voter in his area, I couldn’t vote for the Republican. Shea’s voting record will not/should not help the pro-abortion lobby at all.
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So you are saying Mark Shea would not endorse the Democratic Nominee for President who is likely to be pro-choice or pro-abortion and that Mark Shea is not for the Affordable Care Act?
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
I need to chime in here having read all the pages because I think something is being misrepresented. The issue of whether a sincere Catholic should vote for a Pro-Life Democrat versus a Pro-Abortion Republican.

Lets address the possibility of a Pro-Life Democrat as being possible. Lets say Mark Shea decides to run for Congress. Anyone who has read his blogs and his Facebook page will know is that he is no lover of the Republican Party. However, he will criticize the Democrats when its warranted. I completely trust his pro-life principles and would expect to vote in accordance of that. It would not surprise me that if he ever did run for Congress that he would run as a Democrat. No doubt some people would accuse him of horrible things but I would trust him to vote morally. Where he lives in Washington State, is a very progressive (i.e. Liberal) State and it would not be surprising that his Republican counterpart could be Pro-Abortion.

If I was a voter in his area, I couldn’t vote for the Republican. Shea’s voting record will not/should not help the pro-abortion lobby at all.
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It’s difficult to believe your assertion that “it would not be surprising that his Republican counterpart could be Pro-Abortion.” Do you actually have a name for this or any backup or are just saying this?

Preamble to the Washington State GOP
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The Washington State Republican Party is dedicated to preserving a constitutional republic through active participation by citizens for the protection and preservation of conservative values including: the sanctity of human life; preserving a free society, free markets, and free trade; limited government; low taxes; minimal bureaucracy; strong national defense; and private property rights.
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SECTION 7: We believe the FAMILY unit is the cornerstone of a free and moral society.
It is the duty of parents, not the state, to guide their children to be responsible citizens. Government’s responsibility is to uphold and respect traditional institutions, such as marriage between one man and one woman; ** to protect the elderly and children from the harmful elements of society; and to defend the unalienable right of human life, from conception to natural death.**
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Do you know of some Republican candidate in Washington State who doesn’t actually believe in this? Or should your statement just mean you don’t care to vote for a Pro-Life Republican or possibly any Republican at all?
 
Mark Shea writes a blog for Patheos.

Does he have any qualifications beyond this?? Does he have any chance to actually be elected, let’s get this straight, by Democrats in Washington State? Oh, alright! Sounds possible.
 
Path_Finder said:
So you are saying Mark Shea would not endorse the Democratic Nominee for President who is likely to be pro-choice or pro-abortion and that Mark Shea is not for the Affordable Care Act?
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I don’t know if he would endorse the Democratic Nominee for President. I’m sure he is for certain aspects of the ACA like not being able to drop people who have pre-existing conditions. Perhaps you should ask him.
Path_Finder said:
It’s difficult to believe your assertion that “it would not be surprising that his Republican counterpart could be Pro-Abortion.” Do you actually have a name for this or any backup or are just saying this?

Preamble to the Washington State GOP

Do you know of some Republican candidate in Washington State who doesn’t actually believe in this? Or should your statement just mean you don’t care to vote for a Pro-Life Republican or possibly any Republican at all?
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Its difficult to believe that there are Pro-Choice Republicans? While there aren’t many, they do exist not withstanding the Republican platform. Tom Ridge was one, Condoleeza Rice another.
Path_Finder said:
Mark Shea writes a blog for Patheos.

Does he have any qualifications beyond this?? Does he have any chance to actually be elected, let’s get this straight, by Democrats in Washington State? Oh, alright! Sounds possible.
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He probably wouldn’t run but I only mentioned his name because he’s an example of a potential Pro-Life Democrat.
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
I don’t know if he would endorse the Democratic Nominee for President. I’m sure he is for certain aspects of the ACA like not being able to drop people who have pre-existing conditions. Perhaps you should ask him.

Its difficult to believe that there are Pro-Choice Republicans? While there aren’t many, they do exist not withstanding the Republican platform. Tom Ridge was one, Condoleeza Rice another.

He probably wouldn’t run but I only mentioned his name because he’s an example of a potential Pro-Life Democrat.
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So otherwise, are you saying you would vote for the Democratic Party and for abortion?
 
pnewton said:
Begging the question (once again). The two are not the same.
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In your opinion. Thank you. More like an excuse to support the snuffing out of life (once again).

I’m proudly NOT a part of the daily holocaust of the unborn that the Democratic Party and those who elect them are responsible for.
 
Obama held up a budget so planned parenthood could be funded. You bet, voting Democrat or at least for the great majority of their candidates means supporting abortion.

Google is our friend, I suppose if one googles it, they can find pro-choice Republicans.
 
Path_Finder said:
In your opinion. Thank you. More like an excuse to support the snuffing out of life (once again).
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There is no “excuse”. It is begging the question. Read the title. If you assume the answer is “no”, you cannot use your answer in proving the point. Math applies to both Republicans and Democrats. Likewise, logic is the same for both.

Also, saying it is an excuse to support snuffing out of life assumes that one is supporting snuffing out of life. If charity is an impossibility in supporting the Republican Party, then choose whether charity is more important than political posturing.
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
I need to chime in here having read all the pages because I think something is being misrepresented. The issue of whether a sincere Catholic should vote for a Pro-Life Democrat versus a Pro-Abortion Republican.

Lets address the possibility of a Pro-Life Democrat as being possible. Lets say Mark Shea decides to run for Congress. Anyone who has read his blogs and his Facebook page will know is that he is no lover of the Republican Party. However, he will criticize the Democrats when its warranted. I completely trust his pro-life principles and would expect to vote in accordance of that. It would not surprise me that if he ever did run for Congress that he would run as a Democrat. No doubt some people would accuse him of horrible things but I would trust him to vote morally. Where he lives in Washington State, is a very progressive (i.e. Liberal) State and it would not be surprising that his Republican counterpart could be Pro-Abortion.

If I was a voter in his area, I couldn’t vote for the Republican. Shea’s voting record will not/should not help the pro-abortion lobby at all.
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I need to chime in here being from Washington state. The idea of a " pro-life" Democrat being nominated is pretty far-fetched. In national contests for national office such as senator and gubernatorial contests you will see pro-choice Republicans against pro-choice Democrats. Invariably the Democrat has the support of the abortion lobby and the Republican even though they’re kind of pro-choice is usually attacked by the abortion lobby. Moreover the Republican even go pro choice is usually for some kind of restrictions be at parental notification or some other restriction. My point is the Democrat party it’s so in bed with the abortion lobby and the abortion industry that the idea of a pro-life Democrat being nominated for an important office is almost out of the realm of possibility. So your hypothetical is unlikely.

What I’m seeing on this thread is a lot of denial on the part of Democrat Catholics. You all seem to be unwilling or unable to accept the reality of the nature of the Democrat party and it’s allegiance to the abortion lobby. Clearly the desire to vote Democrat is very strong on the part of some Catholics or perhaps the hatred for the Republican Party is equally strong. Whatever the case, that does not justify voting for a party in bed with the abortion lobby

Ishii
 
pnewton said:
There is no “excuse”. It is begging the question. Read the title. If you assume the answer is “no”, you cannot use your answer in proving the point. Math applies to both Republicans and Democrats. Likewise, logic is the same for both.

Also, saying it is an excuse to support snuffing out of life assumes that one is supporting snuffing out of life. If charity is an impossibility in supporting the Republican Party, then choose whether charity is more important than political posturing.
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If anyone out there understands this post would you please translate it for me?

Ishii
 
stinkcat_14 said:
So, you agree that it would be sinful to vote for a pro-abortion republican over a pro-life democrat.
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Let’s take a step back for a second. A pro-life Democrat for national office isn’t even possible today. Any claim to be pro-life is immediately made false whenthey vote into power their leadership as it stands. The Congressional Democratic leadership is rabidly pro abortion, and the “pro-life” Democrat’s vote for them ends their claim to being pro life.
 
ishii said:
If anyone out there understands this post would you please translate it for me?

Ishii
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Republicans are mean and evil, and oppose charity (as defined as govt handouts) so naturally we can’t support them either, so he uses this logic as the excuse to vote for the rabidly pro abortion party. (that’s my best guess what it means)
 
Sure, a Catholic can vote Democrat. There is nothing stopping them from doing so. However, I refuse to vote for the most pro-abortion political party in the United States. Also, they are for “gay marriage” and that is yet another reason why I refuse to support them or vote for them. In addition, some Democrat politicians are in favor of assisted suicide and euthanasia legislation.
 
ishii said:
If anyone out there understands this post would you please translate it for me?

Ishii
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I think what pnewton is saying is that a priori assuming that any vote for a Democrat is a vote for abortion is wrong (since that precludes any possibility of discussing “Can Catholics Vote Democrat?”), since there can be a pro-life Democrat. For instance, I think that Collin Peterson from Minnesota is a pro-life Democrat.
 
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