Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

[SMGS127]

So she does not support the National Democrat Party?

No such Party exists that I know of. There are only the Democratic and Republican Parties in the US for major Parties.

 

[estesbob]

Katrina Jackson sounds like the “real deal” and I could not find her endorsing President Obama per se as well. Something to at least be alert too.

newsbusters.org/people-and-organizations/katrina-jackson

I stand corrected.

 

[Path_Finder]

I stand corrected.

Well, we don’t know everything for sure but wikipedia has this as well:

In 2014, Jackson authored HB388 which is a controversial bill that would place new requirements on abortion providers in the state of Louisiana including requiring them to have admitting privileges with a hospital which would reportedly result in three of the state’s five clinics closing immediately. [2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katrina_Jackson

In spite of what we hear about the Southern Strategy, off topic, Georgia went Republican not that long ago. Seems like there are still plenty of Democrats in Louisiana and parts of Arkansas. This would all take some research. After all, Clinton came from Ark.

 

[ishii]

Proof that she voted for pro-abortion leadership? It was a Dem (Democratic Rep. Katrina Jackson) who authored the bill that was passed and signed into law. Just because jerks at the fed level are willing to put their party over values, does not mean that state and local politicians have that option. They don’t get to hide away in Washington where they don’t have see their constituents every day.

The thing is, the local and state level is like a farm system for federal level Candidates. Otherwise “moderate” state or local Democrats end up toeing the line on abortion when they run for higher office. They have to in order to get their party’s nomination. If you are not for abortion rights then you don’t have a future in the Democrat party.

Ishii

 

[Dawnia]

The thing is, the local and state level is like a farm system for federal level Candidates. Otherwise “moderate” state or local Democrats end up toeing the line on abortion when they run for higher office. They have to in order to get their party’s nomination. If you are not for abortion rights then you don’t have a future in the Democrat party.

Ishii

That can be changed.

 

[ishii]

That can be changed.

The only way for that to change would be for Catholics to stop voting for Democrats for a while. Let them taste defeat for a couple of elections due to their alliance with the secular left. Catholics really need to choose: faith or politics.

Ishii

 

[zz912]

The only way for that to change would be for Catholics to stop voting for Democrats for a while. Let them taste defeat for a couple of elections due to their alliance with the secular left. Catholics really need to choose: faith or politics.

Ishii

It really does come down to that. Which is more important to you? Your faith and God, or your political party?

 

[Mulligan2]

It really does come down to that. Which is more important to you? Your faith and God, or your political party?

That’s a gross oversimplification.

I don’t vote for the Republicans because I believe their policies are bad for our country. However, that’s not to say that I always vote for the Democratic candidate.

On the issue of abortion, I oppose the GOP on this issue because their focus is on supply and not on demand. I believe their policies are the weakest in terms of negating the reasons why women seek abortions in the first place. So while Republicans talk a good game, their policies don’t address the reasons why. And I recall the Ohio Republican lawmaker who was asked during an interview “Why do you think women have abortions?” He paused for a moment and then said “I don’t know. I guess I’ve never really thought about it.” Brilliant.

 

[ishii]

That’s a gross oversimplification.

I don’t vote for the Republicans because I believe their policies are bad for our country. However, that’s not to say that I always vote for the Democratic candidate.

On the issue of abortion, I oppose the GOP on this issue because their focus is on supply and not on demand. I believe their policies are the weakest in terms of negating the reasons why women seek abortions in the first place. So while Republicans talk a good game, their policies don’t address the reasons why. And I recall the Ohio Republican lawmaker who was asked during an interview “Why do you think women have abortions?” He paused for a moment and then said “I don’t know. I guess I’ve never really thought about it.” Brilliant.

Of course mulligan. We’ve heard all of this before. The unborn deserve legal protection just like you do. Or don’t they? That’s what it really comes down to - your rationalizations notwithstanding. Do the unborn deserve the right to life? Try to answer yes or no without bringing up your opinion of Republicans.

Ishii

 

[zz912]

That’s a gross oversimplification.

I don’t vote for the Republicans because I believe their policies are bad for our country. However, that’s not to say that I always vote for the Democratic candidate.

On the issue of abortion, I oppose the GOP on this issue because their focus is on supply and not on demand. I believe their policies are the weakest in terms of negating the reasons why women seek abortions in the first place. So while Republicans talk a good game, their policies don’t address the reasons why. And I recall the Ohio Republican lawmaker who was asked during an interview “Why do you think women have abortions?” He paused for a moment and then said “I don’t know. I guess I’ve never really thought about it.” Brilliant.

Excuses #1, 6 and 9. Naturally we should repeal all laws against murder, and simply rely on policies that will address the reasons why people commit murder.

EXCUSES FOR VOTING FOR PRO-ABORTION POLITICIANS

1. National Republicans aren’t “really” pro-life, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
2. Specific candidate isn’t “really” pro-life, or I don’t believe his supposed change of belief, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
3. My deacon/priest/bishop/cardinal told me or wrote me a letter telling me it was okay to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
4. I’m not a one-issue voter, so I can ignore the Church’s teaching and vote for the virulently pro-abortion politician.
5. Republicans (at any level) have not passed enough pro-life laws (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
6. Republicans (at any level) have not had enough success on pro-life issues (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
7. Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land even though most Supreme Court justices were appointed by the Republicans, therefore Republicans aren’t serious about abortion, so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
8. I found a Church document that mentioned proportionate reasons in voting, so I personally judged support for a higher minimum wage (or other social justice cause) was on equal footing with abortion, and I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
9. I personally believe that Democratic policies will reduce abortions, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
10. We can’t do anything about abortion until we change the hearts and minds of the people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
11. You can’t legislate morality, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
12. People will still have abortions even if you make them illegal, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
13. We can’t end abortion until we address the root causes, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
14. I can’t impose my beliefs on other people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
15. There isn’t any difference between the parties, so it is okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
16. The Pro-Life movement is in the tank for the Republican party (even though all pro-life legislation has had the overwhelming support of Republicans and overwhelming opposition from Democrats), so it’s okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.

 

[zz912]

I don’t vote for the Republicans because I believe their policies are bad for our country. However, that’s not to say that I always vote for the Democratic candidate.

So for the 10% of the time (or less) you aren’t voting for the pro-abortion Democratic Party, which other party are you voting for?

 

[CaptFun]

http://www.arkansashouse.org/public/userfiles/images/representatives 2013/dickinson-jody.jpg

Jody Dickinson - Pro-life Democratic Legislator that actually cast a vote to overturn a Democratic Governor’s veto of pro-life legislation

http://www.arkansashouse.org/public/userfiles/images/representatives 2013/catlett-john.jpg

John Catlett - Pro-life Democratic Legislator that actually cast a vote to overturn a Democratic Governor’s veto of pro-life legislation

the-american-catholic.com/2013/02/28/pro-life-democrats/ < Feb 2013 story on “Pro-life Democrats” in “The American Catholic”

(Excerpt and Abraham Lincoln quote):

To people who call themselves pro-life Democrats I echo these words of Lincoln in 1860:

"What we want, and all we want, is to have with us the men who think slavery wrong. But those who say they hate slavery, and are opposed to it, but yet act with the Democratic party — where are they? Let us apply a few tests.

You say that you think slavery is wrong, but you denounce all attempts to restrain it. Is there anything else that you think wrong, that you are not willing to deal with as a wrong?

Why are you so careful, so tender of this one wrong and no other? [Laughter.] You will not let us do a single thing as if it was wrong; there is no place where you will allow it to be even called wrong!

We must not call it wrong in the Free States, because it is not there,

and we must not call it wrong in the Slave States because it is there;

we must not call it wrong in politics because that is bringing morality into politics,

and we must not call it wrong in the pulpit because that is bringing politics into religion;

we must not bring it into the Tract Society or the other societies, because those are such unsuitable places,

and there is no single place, according to you, where this wrong thing can properly be called wrong!

• See more at: the-american-catholic.com/2013/02/28/pro-life-democrats/#sthash.VPCMVxne.dpuf

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[DeniseNY]

That’s a gross oversimplification.

I don’t vote for the Republicans because I believe their policies are bad for our country. However, that’s not to say that I always vote for the Democratic candidate.

On the issue of abortion, I oppose the GOP on this issue because their focus is on supply and not on demand. I believe their policies are the weakest in terms of negating the reasons why women seek abortions in the first place. So while Republicans talk a good game, their policies don’t address the reasons why. And I recall the Ohio Republican lawmaker who was asked during an interview “Why do you think women have abortions?” He paused for a moment and then said “I don’t know. I guess I’ve never really thought about it.” Brilliant.

And Democrats do nothing to halt the “demand” for abortion by continuing to tell people that a fetus is “just a clump of cells” and referring to abortion by various euphemisms such as “reproductive freedom”.

So instead of supporting candidates who may (in your opinion) not do enough, you’re more comfortable supporting a party that does nothing? Nothing that is, other than supporting abortion on demand for any and all reasons?

 

[DeniseNY]

It really does come down to that. Which is more important to you? Your faith and God, or your political party?

Judging by many of the responses in this thread, I think we know the answer to that one.

 

[ringil]

So she does not support the National Democrat Party?

The Democratic Party.

THe use of that term demonstrates a lack of objectivity in providing feedback regarding the question of the OP.

You speak of “hatred of the GOP” and show a disdain (hatred perhaps) of the Democratic Party. How can folks tryst that you you provide non-biased feedback drawing on only doctrinal questions when you refuse to use the accurate name of the Party?

 

[Path_Finder]

http://www.arkansashouse.org/public/userfiles/images/representatives 2013/dickinson-jody.jpg

Jody Dickinson - Pro-life Democratic Legislator that actually cast a vote to overturn a Democratic Governor’s veto of pro-life legislation

http://www.arkansashouse.org/public/userfiles/images/representatives 2013/catlett-john.jpg

John Catlett - Pro-life Democratic Legislator that actually cast a vote to overturn a Democratic Governor’s veto of pro-life legislation

the-american-catholic.com/2013/02/28/pro-life-democrats/ < Feb 2013 story on “Pro-life Democrats” in “The American Catholic”

http://www.reobama.com/images/Lincoln_Nov19_1863_GettysburgAddress_CivilWar.jpg

Good post, let’s not forget these also.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.- Declaration of Independence

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that “all men are created equal.” - Gettysburg Address

Now, I say to you today my friends, even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: - ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.’ - Martin Luther King

Point being, to me, it is fairly clear, this doesn’t say “all men were born equal”, it says “created equal”, that really speaks to conception to me.

 

[Lapey]

The Democratic Party.

THe use of that term demonstrates a lack of objectivity in providing feedback regarding the question of the OP.

You speak of “hatred of the GOP” and show a disdain (hatred perhaps) of the Democratic Party. How can folks tryst that you you provide non-biased feedback drawing on only doctrinal questions when you refuse to use the accurate name of the Party?

Why should we trust you if you take your time showing more outrage for a mistake made in a post, “National Democrat Party” as opposed to national Democrat Party, than you show for the atrocity of abortion.

The national DP refers to the party on a national level as opposed to state or local. It doesn’t take much patience to realize this is what he meant and it’s not a big deal; abortion and their support of it is!

 

[Path_Finder]

If the name of the Democratic Party has been said differently, it means nothing to me, I would bet I could do a man on the street interview and ask people this question and would likely a high amount of the time get an answer that some perceive as using this supposedly negative term.

That one makes the rash judgement that one is using a sort of negative word for the party also could be interpreted as meaning something.

We can hear “Democratic Party” 100 times on the radio and TV and think they left the “ic” off.

Again, people say this is a negative but as I said, I believe it’s common usage.

Maybe we should say “the party that tried to take God out of its platform and endorses the killing of the unborn and seeks to push homosexuality on the population through the redefinition of marriage for less than 2% of the population, the same party that had the Ku Klux Klan as its militia arm and that supported slavery and segregation.”

 

[Dawnia]

The only way for that to change would be for Catholics to stop voting for Democrats for a while. Let them taste defeat for a couple of elections due to their alliance with the secular left. Catholics really need to choose: faith or politics.

Ishii

But how do you convince Dems to change if you won’t support pro-life Dems when they do show up?

 

[Dawnia]

That’s a gross oversimplification.

I don’t vote for the Republicans because I believe their policies are bad for our country. However, that’s not to say that I always vote for the Democratic candidate.

On the issue of abortion, I oppose the GOP on this issue because their focus is on supply and not on demand. I believe their policies are the weakest in terms of negating the reasons why women seek abortions in the first place. So while Republicans talk a good game, their policies don’t address the reasons why. And I recall the Ohio Republican lawmaker who was asked during an interview “Why do you think women have abortions?” He paused for a moment and then said “I don’t know. I guess I’ve never really thought about it.” Brilliant.

The top reasons sited for having an abortion are convenience and relationship issues. How do you legislate people not be selfish and/or not have sex with people they don’t want to have children with? Those are issues better addressed by laity and religious, not politicians.