Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

[steve_b]

One wonders what the aha moment will be for the Democrat Catholics on this forum. Democrat Catholics: just how much more pro abortion would the democrat party have to get in order for you all to reconsider voting for them?

Ishii

All Catholics (bishops priests laity) need to be careful about their teaching and witness.

Fr Joseph Mary Wolf gave the following homily Re: Fr Jose Maniyangat, near death experience, in an EWTN mass that I saw on T.V. I was So interested I googled Fr Jose. youtube.com/watch?v=FeQNdXu-Uvc

This experience happened to Fr Jose 30 yrs ago. frmaniyangathealingministry.com/Content/viewcontent.aspx?linkId=41&linkLvl1Id=6

While private revelations are not promoted or validated by the Church, this story of Fr Jose’s doesn’t deny or conflict with any any Church teaching ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=604990 . I bring it up to show that Fr Jose saw in particular, bishops and priests he knew, in hell for their faulty teaching and bad example. And the usual mortal sins were mentioned as well, that send a soul to hell if not repented of before one dies.

Too many Catholics are NOT taking their faith and the teachings of the Church seriously. They either bragg about voting for pro abort candidates, and pro gay agenda candidates, etc or give it no thought at all and blindly vote for the party who established its platform on tolerance for heinous evil…thereby continuing the distruction of their own souls as well as others…

 

[theCrow]

This is a question I would love to see asked for most bishops. The Democratic Party didn’t change that much in 2012. They’ve been that way for a long time now.

Sadly, the GOP HAS changed lately, for the worse…

Anti-Gay, Anti-Woman, Anti-Poor, Anti-immigrants

 

[Dawnia]

Sadly, the GOP HAS changed lately, for the worse…

Anti-Gay, Anti-Woman, Anti-Poor, Anti-immigrants

I think you might need to clean your glasses, because you’re seeing something that isn’t there.

 

[Mulligan2]

“Democratic” is the adjective; “Democrat” is the noun. You do, in fact, hear “Democratic Senator” or “Democratic Representative” all the time in most media sources. Using “Democratic” as a noun, however, is grammatically incorrect. “Republican,” on the contrary, is both a noun (“He’s a Republican”) and an adjective (“The republican style of government”). Attempting to use “democrat” as a lowercase adjective shows why it’s grammatically incorrect (e.g. “A democrat government” vs. “A democratic government”).

It’s rather telling that Conservapedia has to resort to asking why made-up words (“republicanic”) aren’t used when real words (“democratic”) are, in order to justify their usage of a known sign of contempt.

Very true. I find that the media personalities who resort to this tactic are usually the ones who are more of the rabble rouser variety

Republicans have lost the last two presidential elections, and the response from some of them is rather surprising. Instead of promoting a positive platform and telling people what they are for, they double down on what they are against. And it’s quite similar on this thread, as some of our fellow Catholics are attempting to use our shared faith as a political tool. And their contempt for Democratic voters is unseemly on a forum of this nature.

 

[DeniseNY]

Very true. I find that the media personalities who resort to this tactic are usually the ones who are more of the rabble rouser variety

Republicans have lost the last two presidential elections, and the response from some of them is rather surprising. Instead of promoting a positive platform and telling people what they are for, they double down on what they are against. And it’s quite similar on this thread, as some of our fellow Catholics are attempting to use our shared faith as a political tool. And their contempt for Democratic voters is unseemly on a forum of this nature.

You sure you’re not confusing it with contempt for the support of intrinsic evil? That’s what’s really unseemly.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Here is a citing from the silly wikipedia variant Conservapedia:

conservapedia.com/Democrat_Party

Democrat Party is the grammatically correct term for the Democratic Party. The Party is not “democratic”, and proper nouns like “Democrat” are not converted into adjectives by adding “ic” as a suffix. It is not the “Republicanic Party,” or the “Libertarianic Party”, or a “Smith-ic Wedding.” Predictably, many Democrats dislike the term “Democrat Party,” perhaps because the official name is the “Democratic Party of the United States” since 1844[1] and perhaps they prefer the false illusion that their party is somehow more “democratic” than other parties.

In recent decades, however, the Republican Party has made the phrase “Democrat Party” its preferred way of referring to its opposition. The Republican Party Web site makes extensive use of the term. [10] The White House since 2001 has often used the noun-as-adjective when referring to the opposition party, and President Bush has used it almost exclusively.[11] Likewise it is in common use by former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay,[12] House Minority Leader John Boehner,[13] Senator Charles Grassley,[14] Congressman Steve Buyer[15] and others. George W. Bush spoke the phrase “Democrat majority” in his 2007 State of the Union Address

Complaints about the term “Democrat Party” can be found in the lamestream media. New Yorker Magazine commentator Hendrik Hertzberg wrote: “There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. ‘Democrat Party’ is a slur, or intended to be - a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but ‘Democrat Party’ is jarring verging on ugly.”[35]

Here is another article about the usage of Democrat Party.

npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2010/03/since_when_did_it_become_the_d.html

It’s not paranoia. It is a WELL KNOWN slight aimed at the Democratic Party.

The fact that this line of discussion is going on for long long and the voluminous amount of information about this on the net surely indicates that folks have thought about this.

Not to mention that once corrected- people continue to use the term and are so defensive about it.

Associated Press as reported by the Tucson Citizen used the words ‘democrat party’

tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2006/06/15/16063-iraq-numbers-underscore-scope-deadliness-of-conflict

Scott Pelley in a transcript of ‘Face the Nation’ used the words ‘Democratic party’ but he also said ‘Democrat party’

votesmart.org/public-statement/200110/cbs-face-the-nation-transcript

Chicago tribune has used the words ‘democrat party’

articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-15/business/0608150211_1_central-banks-price-inflation-second-quarter-profit-growth

“Democrat” has been used as an adjective by USA Today.33] In Indiana there are several legally incorporated organizations with “Democrat” as part of their official name, such as the “Indianapolis, 17th Ward Democrat Club Inc.” and the “Andrew Jackson Democrat Club Of Tippecanoe County.” 34]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet

 

[DeniseNY]

Associated Press as reported by the Tucson Citizen used the words ‘democrat party’

tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2006/06/15/16063-iraq-numbers-underscore-scope-deadliness-of-conflict

Scott Pelley in a transcript of ‘Face the Nation’ used the words ‘Democratic party’ but he also said ‘Democrat party’

votesmart.org/public-statement/200110/cbs-face-the-nation-transcript

Chicago tribune has used the words ‘democrat party’

articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-15/business/0608150211_1_central-banks-price-inflation-second-quarter-profit-growth

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet

It’s telling that there’s more moral indignation and clutching of pearls from folks over the use of the term “democrat party” than there is over their party’s unfettered support for the “sacred right” of abortion. It’s absurd.

 

[Jeanne_S]

It’s telling that there’s more moral indignation and clutching of pearls from folks over the use of the term “democrat party” than there is over their party’s unfettered support for the “sacred right” of abortion. It’s absurd.

It is a diversion tactic,when faced with issues they would rather ignore…they have learned from the master…Obama

 

[Path_Finder]

Sadly, the GOP HAS changed lately, for the worse…

Anti-Gay, Anti-Woman, Anti-Poor, Anti-immigrants

ARE YOU confused about the title of this thread?? It’s not about compromising values.

Let’s see, “Anti-Gay”, does this mean I’m for redefining marriage for every man, woman and child in the USA and I’m for infertile marriages??

Anti-Woman, what does this mean? I will trade the innocent blood of my brother and sister for a vote? Well, I would not be proud of myself to have this stance and you say you are about love??

Anti-Immigrants, there is no nation without borders, of course once again confusion, it appears, anti-immigrants is a negative for those against illegal immigration.

Early Christians were fed to the lions, Jesus did not come to win a popularity contest.

Be happy if this is what you support above but that is not what this thread is about.

 

[Path_Finder]

Associated Press as reported by the Tucson Citizen used the words ‘democrat party’

tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2006/06/15/16063-iraq-numbers-underscore-scope-deadliness-of-conflict

Scott Pelley in a transcript of ‘Face the Nation’ used the words ‘Democratic party’ but he also said ‘Democrat party’

votesmart.org/public-statement/200110/cbs-face-the-nation-transcript

Chicago tribune has used the words ‘democrat party’

articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-15/business/0608150211_1_central-banks-price-inflation-second-quarter-profit-growth

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet

Fascinating reading, this reminds me of a bit the way the politically correct movement is trying to get the Washington Redskins to change their name. I’m not saying this to be off-topic and get into that subject, it just seems similar in nature. “Oh, don’t say this”.

 

[Morwenna]

It’s telling that there’s more moral indignation and clutching of pearls from folks over the use of the term “democrat party” than there is over their party’s unfettered support for the “sacred right” of abortion. It’s absurd.

Yep! :sad_yes:

Love the “clutching of pearls”; perfect description!

It is a diversion tactic,when faced with issues they would rather ignore…they have learned from the master…Obama

Absolutely!

 

[ishii]

The point of my post was to point out a lack of objectivity in the discussions here. It’s not just about Catholic doctrine and people’s believes about that should affect voting.

There is an overarching disdain for the Left- and that excludes areas outside of abortion and same sex marriage.

The use of Democrat Party is a well known “wink and nod” at fellow Conservatives saying- “yes, I am with you- I also hate this party.” It’s a gang sign- and subtle insult.

And this continued use of a purposefully derogatory term- even when it has been pointed out- only further demonstrates non-objectivity in the discussion.

It’s not “spelling a word differently” it’s making a statement- and an illuminating one for those who know about its usage.

It’s fair to point that out.

“Democratic” is the adjective; “Democrat” is the noun. You do, in fact, hear “Democratic Senator” or “Democratic Representative” all the time in most media sources. Using “Democratic” as a noun, however, is grammatically incorrect. “Republican,” on the contrary, is both a noun (“He’s a Republican”) and an adjective (“The republican style of government”). Attempting to use “democrat” as a lowercase adjective shows why it’s grammatically incorrect (e.g. “A democrat government” vs. “A democratic government”).

It’s rather telling that Conservapedia has to resort to asking why made-up words (“republicanic”) aren’t used when real words (“democratic”) are, in order to justify their usage of a known sign of contempt.

SMGS, Ringil: keep talking about the use of the term “Democrat party” while ignoring the anti-life policies of the Democrat party. An earlier poster mentioned how Democrat catholics are very uncomfortable discussing abortion and their party’s support for abortion. I think this attempt to derail the main topic of this thread is proof of that.

It doesn’t matter whether we say “Democratic” or “Democrat.” What matters is the policies and platform of that party. I indeed “hate” the policies of the Democrat party - but I am not a hater of people who are Democrats - I think they are wrong.

Ishii

 

[ringil]

Associated Press as reported by the Tucson Citizen used the words ‘democrat party’

tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2006/06/15/16063-iraq-numbers-underscore-scope-deadliness-of-conflict

Scott Pelley in a transcript of ‘Face the Nation’ used the words ‘Democratic party’ but he also said ‘Democrat party’

votesmart.org/public-statement/200110/cbs-face-the-nation-transcript

Chicago tribune has used the words ‘democrat party’

articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-15/business/0608150211_1_central-banks-price-inflation-second-quarter-profit-growth

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet

So are saying there is nothing to my assertion… It is, kind of make up?

Will, if folks believe that to be true, why not simply refer to folks as they prefer?

We do this all the time- people have a right to be called by a name they desire. An insistence on continuing to use term which people find derisive demonstrate a “too bad for you” attitude.

I think it’s commendable to those who previously used terms which folks find offensive change their language. This demonstrates a fundamental respect- at least the very basics of vicinity- to which we are all entitled.

 

[ringil]

SMGS, Ringil: keep talking about the use of the term “Democrat party” while ignoring the anti-life policies of the Democrat party. An earlier poster mentioned how Democrat catholics are very uncomfortable discussing abortion and their party’s support for abortion. I think this attempt to derail the main topic of this thread is proof of that.

It doesn’t matter whether we say “Democratic” or “Democrat.” What matters is the policies and platform of that party. I indeed “hate” the policies of the Democrat party - but I am not a hater of people who are Democrats - I think they are wrong.

Ishii

I am concerned about the issues of life and of the wrong of gay marriage.

And I would disagree that “it doesn’t matter”. Having a genuine discussion depends on a basic level of civility- well for me it does. I want folks standing on their own feet- not making constancy digs at a portion of the subject- this undermines the basics of the discussion.

You may desire to steer this discussion as some kind of captain of a ship, but it doesn’t work that way. No one is the arbiter here- except the mods.

At the same time I believe it is possible to state issues which touch on the quality of a discussion.

Should I just “drop it” when folks continue to make posts I disagree with- let myself be “shouted down”?

Shouldn’t we be able to stick to an issue until we are understood?

And to end the discussion of the term Democrat for me at least. Folks just need to either use the proper terms, or at least continue to use it and admit that the usage of “democrat” is a little slight and little jab at the Party. I can respect that- respect honesty.

Admit that- it’s honest. It’s well documented. It’s not paranoia.

 

[Path_Finder]

Yep! :sad_yes:

Love the “clutching of pearls”; perfect description!

Absolutely!

In the vernacular, the two names are used interchangeably. You can not convince me that people go out of their way to use one of the terms to treat others derisively since their is no sort of meant negative connotation in using one term over the other. If there was, this would be different, however the only sources that are used are on the internet.

Is it “Democratic National Convention”? Why can a sole politician be called a “Democrat”, is it disparaging then? Do we have a Democratic Vice President? Is this the correct term? And when one hears these words, they come out much the same. It’s not like an epithet one calls a person where one says clearly, that word is out of bounds.

 

[J_Peterson]

All Catholics (bishops priests laity) need to be careful about their teaching and witness.

Fr Joseph Mary Wolf gave the following homily Re: Fr Jose Maniyangat, near death experience, in an EWTN mass that I saw on T.V. I was So interested I googled Fr Jose. youtube.com/watch?v=FeQNdXu-Uvc

This experience happened to Fr Jose 30 yrs ago. frmaniyangathealingministry.com/Content/viewcontent.aspx?linkId=41&linkLvl1Id=6

While private revelations are not promoted or validated by the Church, this story of Fr Jose’s doesn’t deny or conflict with any any Church teaching ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=604990 . I bring it up to show that Fr Jose saw in particular, bishops and priests he knew, in hell for their faulty teaching and bad example. And the usual mortal sins were mentioned as well, that send a soul to hell if not repented of before one dies.

Too many Catholics are NOT taking their faith and the teachings of the Church seriously. They either bragg about voting for pro abort candidates, and pro gay agenda candidates, etc or give it no thought at all and blindly vote for the party who established its platform on tolerance for heinous evil…thereby continuing the distruction of their own souls as well as others…

I only got to the purgatory part of his account and I am confident that it is not real. My reason is that his account contradicts St. Catherine of Genoa’s account of Purgatory.

 

[ringil]

I only got to the purgatory part of his account and I am confident that it is not real. My reason is that his account contradicts St. Catherine of Genoa’s account of Purgatory.

So voting for a Democratic Candidate will result in time in purgatory as a result of their votes.

Gosh! We sure don’t want that! OUCH!!

 

[estesbob]

I am concerned about the issues of life and of the wrong of gay marriage.

And I would disagree that “it doesn’t matter”. Having a genuine discussion depends on a basic level of civility- well for me it does. I want folks standing on their own feet- not making constancy digs at a portion of the subject- this undermines the basics of the discussion.

You may desire to steer this discussion as some kind of captain of a ship, but it doesn’t work that way. No one is the arbiter here- except the mods.

At the same time I believe it is possible to state issues which touch on the quality of a discussion.

Should I just “drop it” when folks continue to make posts I disagree with- let myself be “shouted down”?

Shouldn’t we be able to stick to an issue until we are understood?

And to end the discussion of the term Democrat for me at least. Folks just need to either use the proper terms, or at least continue to use it and admit that the usage of “democrat” is a little slight and little jab at the Party. I can respect that- respect honesty.

Admit that- it’s honest. It’s well documented. It’s not paranoia.

You don’t show concern by voting for people who have vowed to do everything in their power to keep abortion and homosexual marriage legal.

 

[theCrow]

You don’t show concern by voting for people who have vowed to do everything in their power to keep abortion and homosexual marriage legal.

It’s a FAIL to compare Abortion to Homosexual Marriage.

Also, believe it or not, being Pro Choice does not always mean Pro Abortion.

 

[grotto]

So voting for a Democratic Candidate will result in time in purgatory as a result of their votes.

Gosh! We sure don’t want that! OUCH!!

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You forgot the “lol” after your “OUCH”. Maybe you weren’t joking or mocking the consequences of promoting evil? Should we play with words to distract from the reality and cry “foul”? The “politically incorrect” and “inclusive language” tools just cannot get the job done anymore. These terms are worn out. The word “consequences” has real meaning.