Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

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Mulligan2 said:
You seriously believe ringil was trying to derail the thread? :rolleyes:

This thread has over 100 pages to it - the majority of which consist of belittling and condemning your fellow Catholics who do not share your political viewpoints. The comments by ringil are legitimate. What is wrong with pointing out the denigrating language someone is using, and politely asking them to refrain?
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For the record, Mulligan2, I have neither belittled nor condemned anyone. If you believe otherwise perhaps you could point out where I’ve done that.

Ishii
 
Mulligan2 said:
You seriously believe ringil was trying to derail the thread? :rolleyes:

This thread has over 100 pages to it - the majority of which consist of belittling and condemning your fellow Catholics who do not share your political viewpoints. The comments by ringil are legitimate. What is wrong with pointing out the denigrating language someone is using, and politely asking them to refrain?
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Given the Democrat Party’s support of so much abject evil I can totally understand why one would consider the term “Democrat” denigrating.
 
ishii said:
For the record, Mulligan2, I have neither belittled nor condemned anyone. If you believe otherwise perhaps you could point out where I’ve done that.

Ishii
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Kind of reminds me when a supporter commented on Harry Truman giving people “Hell”. He said " “I don’t give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it’s Hell.”
 
Mulligan2 said:
You seriously believe ringil was trying to derail the thread? :rolleyes:

This thread has over 100 pages to it - the majority of which consist of belittling and condemning your fellow Catholics who do not share your political viewpoints. The comments by ringil are legitimate. What is wrong with pointing out the denigrating language someone is using, and politely asking them to refrain?
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Supporting pro-abortion candidates and party platform with a CATHOLIC vote or not is not politics. Your Church has declared forever that abortion is intrinsically evil. If you vote for a democrat candidate or a (you name the party) who believes in the right to kill children, you are participating in the evil. Now as I said earlier, you decide at what level of perception you are guilty of, I will continue to reject it.
 
estesbob said:
Given the Democrat Party’s support of so much abject evil I can totally understand why one would consider the term “Democrat” denigrating.
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I wish Catholic democrats would spend this much energy at their meetings trying to change the party platform instead of making excuses of “I can still vote this way because of my farm, union or to look cool in front of my co-workers.”
 
estesbob said:
Kind of reminds me when a supporter commented on Harry Truman giving people “Hell”. He said " “I don’t give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it’s Hell.”
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Harry Truman. Now there was a Democrat. But that was before the Democrat party was taken over by the secular left with the goal of transforming American society into a relativistic wasteland where mothers kill there babies and men get married to men. That is the thing - do the Democrat catholics even regret the fact that the secular left has taken over the Democrat party and made social liberalism its goal? I regret that a great deal and I was never a Democrat. I do recognize that it was once a great party which produced some great leaders. But the difference between the party of 1948 and the party of 2014 is night and day. The leaders of 1948 wouldn’t recognize the party today.

Compare/contrast:

Harry Truman, John F Kennedy, Hubert Humphry, Scoop Jackson.

Hillary, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Patty Murray.

Ishii
 
ringil said:
Here is a citing from the silly wikipedia variant Conservapedia:

conservapedia.com/Democrat_Party

Democrat Party is the grammatically correct term for the Democratic Party. The Party is not “democratic”, and proper nouns like “Democrat” are not converted into adjectives by adding “ic” as a suffix. It is not the “Republicanic Party,” or the “Libertarianic Party”, or a “Smith-ic Wedding.” .
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I Guess if logic can be ignored, so can grammar, as long as it supports ideological rhetoric. However wrote this entry needs to repeat grade school and learn that English is not regular in many respects. You were being nice calling it “silly”.

Oh, and “autocrat” does become the adjective “autocratic” and adjectives can be used in titles. :rolleyes:

Still, I would give up correct others if I were you. People will still be deliberately offensive if that is their wont.
 
Mulligan2 said:
You seriously believe ringil was trying to derail the thread? :rolleyes:

This thread has over 100 pages to it - the majority of which consist of belittling and condemning your fellow Catholics who do not share your political viewpoints. The comments by ringil are legitimate. What is wrong with pointing out the denigrating language someone is using, and politely asking them to refrain?
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The arguments do tend to repeat, though perhaps rhetoric is a better word. Either word is better than “excuses” as one does not need and excuse to stand by the teaching of the Catholic Church. And speaking of which, the title of this thread, implies whether a Catholic can vote Democrat according to the moral teaching of the Church (since we know the little machines actually allow the physical possibility of voting as we wish.)

One thing that is absent, and will remain, is where the Church made voting for a Democrat a sin. That is because it is morally permissible, at least in theory. Again, I will link the USCCB guide, as I find it more useful than that “excuse list” that floats around.

usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/
 
pnewton said:
I Guess if logic can be ignored, so can grammar, as long as it supports ideological rhetoric. However wrote this entry needs to repeat grade school and learn that English is not regular in many respects. You were being nice calling it “silly”.

Oh, and “autocrat” does become the adjective “autocratic” and adjectives can be used in titles. :rolleyes:

Still, I would give up correct others if I were you. People will still be deliberately offensive if that is their wont.
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Consider:

#1: A million abortions performed last year. A million unborn babies killed. All legal thanks to the policies of the Democrat party.

#2: A word misspelled. Perhaps deliberately :eek:

I consider the former much, much more offensive than the latter, pnewton.

And so should you.

Ishii
 
J_Peterson said:
I think they are referring to people who won’t have an abortion themselves but respect the the rights of others to have an abortion. It’s not pro-abortion since pro-abortion implies that the person sees abortion is a good thing. Pro-Choice can have more nuance. For instance you can still see abortion as a problem but still believe that it’s necessary.
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The 2 greatest commandments

  1. *]love God with your whole mind heart and soul
    *]love your neighbor as yoursef

    If someone says I wouldn’t have an abortion because I know it’s murder, and I’m liable to go to hell as a result, but I wouldn’t stand in the way if you wanted to do it,

    Breaks both those commandments. By not loving their neighbor as themself, they can’t love God either.
    J:
    Pro-choice is really about having the option, even if you choose never to use it.
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    And as scripture points out,

    [Deuteronomy 30:19](Deuteronomy - The Command to Leave Horeb - These are - Bible Gateway 30:19&version=RSVCE)

    fools choose death and curses.
    J:
    Pro-abortion folks seek to normalize it and remove the stigma attached to it. I do see more and more pro-abortion sentiment lately.
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    it never will be normalized by God, nor will the stigma be removed. Any more than same sex marriages will be normalized by God. EVERYONE will be judged by God. NO ONE escapes.

    The Democratic party platform was crafted by the morally bankrupt.
 
Good to see that everyone is ready for the midterms. Question: Can’t we just change the dates on our posts from last time and save typing, bandwidth and so on?
 
pnewton said:
The arguments do tend to repeat, though perhaps rhetoric is a better word. Either word is better than “excuses” as one does not need and excuse to stand by the teaching of the Catholic Church. And speaking of which, the title of this thread, implies whether a Catholic can vote Democrat according to the moral teaching of the Church (since we know the little machines actually allow the physical possibility of voting as we wish.)

One thing that is absent, and will remain, is where the Church made voting for a Democrat a sin. That is because it is morally permissible, at least in theory. Again, I will link the USCCB guide, as I find it more useful than that “excuse list” that floats around.

usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/
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You are making a false “straw man” argument. No one here is alleging that the Church has come out and stated that voting for a Democrat is a sin. What is being proposed however, is that the Democrat party is not worthy of the votes of Catholics. We have concluded this based on the Church teaching on the sanctity of life and the Democrat party’s rejection of the sanctity of life inherent in its pro-abortion platform and policies. In other words, Catholics ought not to vote for Democrats. Its common sense. Disagree if you want, but please do not misrepresent what we are arguing.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Consider:

#1: A million abortions performed last year. A million unborn babies killed. All legal thanks to the policies of the Democrat party.

#2: A word misspelled. Perhaps deliberately :eek:

I consider the former much, much more offensive than the latter, pnewton.

And so should you.

Ishii
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It’s a semantics game and that is all.

How can I say Democrat and Vice President Joe Biden is at the Democratic Convention. How can a word be okay in one place and not in another? Merely grammar.

Ask yourself this, can one find another example in the English language where this alleged epithet compares? I’ve thought about that a few times.

All it is is not quite saying the word correctly, I had a friend who would always say “WalMark”, it’s not “Walmark”, it’s “Walmart” but it’s no big deal.
 
Path_Finder said:
It’s a semantics game and that is all.

How can I say Democrat and Vice President Joe Biden is at the Democratic Convention. How can a word be okay in one place and not in another? Merely grammar.

Ask yourself this, can one find another example in the English language where this alleged epithet compares? I’ve thought about that a few times.

All it is is not quite saying the word correctly, I had a friend who would always say “WalMark”, it’s not “Walmark”, it’s “Walmart” but it’s no big deal.
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Its much ado about very little. And as I have tried to point out in my recent post (but expect no answer), the outrage at the use of the term “Democrat party” really shows that priorities are really out of whack for some.

Ishii
 
Catholics can indeed Vote Democrat, and I’m very sure
a very large percentage will be voting for Hillary in 2016

votes for women step in time step in time
 
theCrow said:
Catholics can indeed Vote Democrat, and I’m very sure
a very large percentage will be voting for Hillary in 2016

votes for women step in time step in time
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My respect for women everywhere makes me more optimistic.
 
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