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ahh, glad you asked:

The Fraudulence of the Republican Party, and the Adverse Shift in the Balance Between Good and Evil in America
-Andy Schmookler

In recent years, I’ve been deeply troubled by an adverse shift in the balance of power between good and evil forces in America. The evidence for that shift is plain to see in the damage that’s been done in recent years to so many of the dimensions of American civilization. Clearly, the forces of destruction have gained ground at the expense of those forces that work constructively to improve the nation.

An important factor in this shift is a stark mismatch between the fine values of folks like many of my rural Virginia neighbors and the goals and practices of the political force to which they give their support.

Most of my neighbors are dedicated to conservative, patriotic, and Christian values. The Republican Party gains their support by claiming to be a champion of those values. But in these times, those claims are false: the values that party is serving are the very opposite.

Genuine conservatives, like many of my neighbors, understand that traditions are there for a reason, and should be honored and respected. But today’s Republican leaders, though claiming to be conservatives, trample America’s political traditions. Meanwhile, they misdirect their followers’ attention to a few issues of concern, like abortion and gay rights, that have one important characteristic: they don’t get in the way of the Republicans’ deeper agenda – transferring wealth and power from average Americans to those who already have the most.

Our country has had an established way, for example, of dealing with the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling has been raised, as needed, more than 80 times without a crisis because both parties know the full faith and credit of the United States is too important to play politics with. But, today’s congressional Republicans swept that tradition aside in 2011, as no real conservatives would, to extort concessions to advance their political goals, and in 2013 they tried the same kind of blackmail again.

The filibuster has long been used only as an emergency brake, to be employed in exceptional circumstances. But today’s Senate Republicans have shown no respect for that tradition, or for the Constitution’s dictate that (on everything but treaties, amendments, and impeaching a president) it is the majority that should rule. Instead, these pretend “conservatives” have used the filibuster on even the most routine matters, insisting that nothing can happen in the Senate without the minority’s approval.

My neighbors are, for the most part, patriotic Americans. They understand that a patriot is someone who is willing to put aside selfish interests, when needed, to serve the good of the nation. But today’s Republican leaders have shown a willingness to do the very opposite: sacrificing America to gain advantage for themselves.

We know, for example, that even before President Obama was inaugurated in 2009, congressional Republicans decided to do everything they could to make this president fail. Trying to make the president fail has never been the American way, but especially at a time, like in 2009, when the nation faced many crises – two wars and the American economy on the edge of an abyss.

You don’t want the president to fail if you’re a patriot. If the president fails – at a time when the national economy has entered its severest crisis since the Great Depression – the country fails, and millions of Americans suffer. No real patriot would want that.

By and large, my neighbors try to be good Christians. They care about “What would Jesus do,” and they take seriously his Golden Rule – “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Today’s Republican Party, seizing hold of a couple of issues that, conveniently, pertain to people’s private lives, declare themselves the defenders of Christian values. But on those moral matters about which Jesus had the most to say, these national Republicans are consistently at odds with Jesus’s moral teachings.

Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers.” But these Republicans in Congress have made our politics more strife-ridden than we’ve ever seen, more conflictual than the nation has seen since the years leading up to the Civil War. They’ve made a fight over everything, opposing even their own ideas if the other side supports them. They’ve made “compromise” a dirty word, even though it is at the heart of how our founders envisioned us living in peace.

“Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,” Jesus said, “ye have done it unto me.” But here are today’s Republicans refusing to ask the richest, whose wealth has skyrocketed, to contribute another penny to meet the nation’s needs, while at the same time they cut off food for hungry American kids. This at a time when poverty has been increasing and there are still three job-seekers for every job.

Jesus’ message was “love thy neighbor,” and "love thine enemies.’’ When was the last time the Republican leadership called upon their followers to act from love – of anyone, or anything, except the kind of love that is an allegiance to an “Us” fighting against a “Them” – rather than from hate or fear?

There’s good reason why our religious traditions have spoken of Satan as “the deceiver.” Most people won’t knowingly support evil. They must be deceived into doing so. So to the question, “Why have the forces of evil in America grown stronger in relation to the forces of good?” an answer appears: If millions of good people can be deceived and manipulated into lending their power to an evil force, the balance of power will shift to the forces of destruction.

With that undeserved strength, evil can drag America down. And it has.
 
ahh, glad you asked:

The Fraudulence of the Republican Party, and the Adverse Shift in the Balance Between Good and Evil in America
-Andy Schmookler

In recent years, I’ve been deeply troubled by an adverse shift in the balance of power between good and evil forces in America. The evidence for that shift is plain to see in the damage that’s been done in recent years to so many of the dimensions of American civilization. Clearly, the forces of destruction have gained ground at the expense of those forces that work constructively to improve the nation.

An important factor in this shift is a stark mismatch between the fine values of folks like many of my rural Virginia neighbors and the goals and practices of the political force to which they give their support.

Most of my neighbors are dedicated to conservative, patriotic, and Christian values. The Republican Party gains their support by claiming to be a champion of those values. But in these times, those claims are false: the values that party is serving are the very opposite.

Genuine conservatives, like many of my neighbors, understand that traditions are there for a reason, and should be honored and respected. But today’s Republican leaders, though claiming to be conservatives, trample America’s political traditions. Meanwhile, they misdirect their followers’ attention to a few issues of concern, like abortion and gay rights, that have one important characteristic: they don’t get in the way of the Republicans’ deeper agenda – transferring wealth and power from average Americans to those who already have the most.

Our country has had an established way, for example, of dealing with the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling has been raised, as needed, more than 80 times without a crisis because both parties know the full faith and credit of the United States is too important to play politics with. But, today’s congressional Republicans swept that tradition aside in 2011, as no real conservatives would, to extort concessions to advance their political goals, and in 2013 they tried the same kind of blackmail again.

The filibuster has long been used only as an emergency brake, to be employed in exceptional circumstances. But today’s Senate Republicans have shown no respect for that tradition, or for the Constitution’s dictate that (on everything but treaties, amendments, and impeaching a president) it is the majority that should rule. Instead, these pretend “conservatives” have used the filibuster on even the most routine matters, insisting that nothing can happen in the Senate without the minority’s approval.

My neighbors are, for the most part, patriotic Americans. They understand that a patriot is someone who is willing to put aside selfish interests, when needed, to serve the good of the nation. But today’s Republican leaders have shown a willingness to do the very opposite: sacrificing America to gain advantage for themselves.

We know, for example, that even before President Obama was inaugurated in 2009, congressional Republicans decided to do everything they could to make this president fail. Trying to make the president fail has never been the American way, but especially at a time, like in 2009, when the nation faced many crises – two wars and the American economy on the edge of an abyss.

You don’t want the president to fail if you’re a patriot. If the president fails – at a time when the national economy has entered its severest crisis since the Great Depression – the country fails, and millions of Americans suffer. No real patriot would want that.

By and large, my neighbors try to be good Christians. They care about “What would Jesus do,” and they take seriously his Golden Rule – “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
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“Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,” Jesus said, “ye have done it unto me.” But here are today’s Republicans refusing to ask the richest, whose wealth has skyrocketed, to contribute another penny to meet the nation’s needs, while at the same time they cut off food for hungry American kids. This at a time when poverty has been increasing and there are still three job-seekers for every job.

Jesus’ message was “love thy neighbor,” and "love thine enemies.’’ When was the last time the Republican leadership called upon their followers to act from love – of anyone, or anything, except the kind of love that is an allegiance to an “Us” fighting against a “Them” – rather than from hate or fear?

There’s good reason why our religious traditions have spoken of Satan as “the deceiver.” Most people won’t knowingly support evil. They must be deceived into doing so. So to the question, “Why have the forces of evil in America grown stronger in relation to the forces of good?” an answer appears: If millions of good people can be deceived and manipulated into lending their power to an evil force, the balance of power will shift to the forces of destruction.

With that undeserved strength, evil can drag America down. And it has.
My goodness, you left out the part where Republicans step on puppies’ tails and eat kittens for breakfast.:confused:
 
ahh, glad you asked:

The Fraudulence of the Republican Party, and the Adverse Shift in the Balance Between Good and Evil in America
-Andy Schmookler

In recent years, I’ve been deeply troubled by an adverse shift in the balance of power between good and evil forces in America. The evidence for that shift is plain to see in the damage that’s been done in recent years to so many of the dimensions of American civilization. Clearly, the forces of destruction have gained ground at the expense of those forces that work constructively to improve the nation.

An important factor in this shift is a stark mismatch between the fine values of folks like many of my rural Virginia neighbors and the goals and practices of the political force to which they give their support.

Most of my neighbors are dedicated to conservative, patriotic, and Christian values. The Republican Party gains their support by claiming to be a champion of those values. But in these times, those claims are false: the values that party is serving are the very opposite.

Genuine conservatives, like many of my neighbors, understand that traditions are there for a reason, and should be honored and respected. But today’s Republican leaders, though claiming to be conservatives, trample America’s political traditions. Meanwhile, they misdirect their followers’ attention to a few issues of concern, like abortion and gay rights, that have one important characteristic: they don’t get in the way of the Republicans’ deeper agenda – transferring wealth and power from average Americans to those who already have the most.

Our country has had an established way, for example, of dealing with the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling has been raised, as needed, more than 80 times without a crisis because both parties know the full faith and credit of the United States is too important to play politics with. But, today’s congressional Republicans swept that tradition aside in 2011, as no real conservatives would, to extort concessions to advance their political goals, and in 2013 they tried the same kind of blackmail again.

The filibuster has long been used only as an emergency brake, to be employed in exceptional circumstances. But today’s Senate Republicans have shown no respect for that tradition, or for the Constitution’s dictate that (on everything but treaties, amendments, and impeaching a president) it is the majority that should rule. Instead, these pretend “conservatives” have used the filibuster on even the most routine matters, insisting that nothing can happen in the Senate without the minority’s approval.

My neighbors are, for the most part, patriotic Americans. They understand that a patriot is someone who is willing to put aside selfish interests, when needed, to serve the good of the nation. But today’s Republican leaders have shown a willingness to do the very opposite: sacrificing America to gain advantage for themselves.

We know, for example, that even before President Obama was inaugurated in 2009, congressional Republicans decided to do everything they could to make this president fail. Trying to make the president fail has never been the American way, but especially at a time, like in 2009, when the nation faced many crises – two wars and the American economy on the edge of an abyss.

You don’t want the president to fail if you’re a patriot. If the president fails – at a time when the national economy has entered its severest crisis since the Great Depression – the country fails, and millions of Americans suffer. No real patriot would want that.

By and large, my neighbors try to be good Christians. They care about “What would Jesus do,” and they take seriously his Golden Rule – “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Today’s Republican Party, seizing hold of a couple of issues that, conveniently, pertain to people’s private lives, declare themselves the defenders of Christian values. But on those moral matters about which Jesus had the most to say, these national Republicans are consistently at odds with Jesus’s moral teachings.

Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers.” But these Republicans in Congress have made our politics more strife-ridden than we’ve ever seen, more conflictual than the nation has seen since the years leading up to the Civil War. They’ve made a fight over everything, opposing even their own ideas if the other side supports them. They’ve made “compromise” a dirty word, even though it is at the heart of how our founders envisioned us living in peace.

“Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,” Jesus said, “ye have done it unto me.” But here are today’s Republicans refusing to ask the richest, whose wealth has skyrocketed, to contribute another penny to meet the nation’s needs, while at the same time they cut off food for hungry American kids. This at a time when poverty has been increasing and there are still three job-seekers for every job.

Jesus’ message was “love thy neighbor,” and "love thine enemies.’’ When was the last time the Republican leadership called upon their followers to act from love – of anyone, or anything, except the kind of love that is an allegiance to an “Us” fighting against a “Them” – rather than from hate or fear?

There’s good reason why our religious traditions have spoken of Satan as “the deceiver.” Most people won’t knowingly support evil. They must be deceived into doing so. So to the question, “Why have the forces of evil in America grown stronger in relation to the forces of good?” an answer appears: If millions of good people can be deceived and manipulated into lending their power to an evil force, the balance of power will shift to the forces of destruction.

With that undeserved strength, evil can drag America down. And it has.
What intrinsic evil does the Republican Party support?
 
My goodness, you left out the part where Republicans step on puppies’ tails and eat kittens for breakfast.:confused:
Well according to some posters on here, that’s exactly what Democrats do 🤷 you know, with them supporting an intrinsic evil and all. 😛
 
Well according to some posters on here, that’s exactly what Democrats do 🤷 you know, with them supporting an intrinsic evil and all. 😛
They support the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year What intrinsic evil does the Republican Party support?
 
Well according to some posters on here, that’s exactly what Democrats do 🤷 you know, with them supporting an intrinsic evil and all. 😛
The Democratic party embraces the murder of the unborn. There is no comparison.
 
One party supports intrinsic evils, while the other does not.

These blanket statements are quite false, and quite dangerous actually. You are creating an US VS THEM mentality, which is exactly what groups like ISIS are trying to do right now, to demonize the whole group of Americans, Dems and Republicans.
Why are demonizing the good Deacon and comparing him to ISIS?
 
ahh, glad you asked:

The Fraudulence of the Republican Party, and the Adverse Shift in the Balance Between Good and Evil in America
-Andy Schmookler

In recent years, I’ve been deeply troubled by an adverse shift in the balance of power between good and evil forces in America. The evidence for that shift is plain to see in the damage that’s been done in recent years to so many of the dimensions of American civilization. Clearly, the forces of destruction have gained ground at the expense of those forces that work constructively to improve the nation.

An important factor in this shift is a stark mismatch between the fine values of folks like many of my rural Virginia neighbors and the goals and practices of the political force to which they give their support.

Most of my neighbors are dedicated to conservative, patriotic, and Christian values. The Republican Party gains their support by claiming to be a champion of those values. But in these times, those claims are false: the values that party is serving are the very opposite.

Genuine conservatives, like many of my neighbors, understand that traditions are there for a reason, and should be honored and respected. But today’s Republican leaders, though claiming to be conservatives, trample America’s political traditions. Meanwhile, they misdirect their followers’ attention to a few issues of concern, like abortion and gay rights, that have one important characteristic: they don’t get in the way of the Republicans’ deeper agenda – transferring wealth and power from average Americans to those who already have the most.
Thankfully the author is there to guide and instruct his mouth-breathing, too-dumb-to-tie-their-shoes, bitter, clinger, rural conservative neighbors! Without him, they’d be bamboozled into thinking they were able to comprehend the issues important to them and whether their representative is adhering to them.
 
One party supports intrinsic evils, while the other does not.

These blanket statements are quite false, and quite dangerous actually. You are creating an US VS THEM mentality, which is exactly what groups like ISIS are trying to do right now, to demonize the whole group of Americans, Dems and Republicans.
Are you really comparing me and my posts to an evil group fighting to kill all who disagree?

Besides being offensive your post is quite ignorant.:cool:

You can support a party who supports abortion and other evils, I do not.
 
Well according to some posters on here, that’s exactly what Democrats do 🤷 you know, with them supporting an intrinsic evil and all. 😛
What part of supporting abortion do you not understand??? Are you registered to vote?😦
 
Too many abortion-supporting “Catholic” politicians.

As evidenced in this thread, there are many who claim to be Catholic, who perform mental gymnastics to ignore Church teaching.
Mental gymnastics? Are you referring to those who say that a Catholic cannot vote Democrat? I ask for the Catholic position is to give the moral principles and allow the application of those principles to the voters. You do know that this is the actual Catholic position, do you not?

Yes, there are many Catholic politicians that put their politics first, but this is hardly limited to Democrats, as I have seen here. The point is that not all put their politics ahead of their faith. One should ask himself if they put their faith first. If they do, then surely this is evidence one can put their faith above politics.

The other question that one should ask himself if they understand the difference between Catholic teaching and their own opinion. Hint: if you aren’t quoting the Church, it might be your opinion. We are morally responsible first and foremost for our own moral actions, including making rash judgments. I have seen too many in the defense of their opinion about abortion, albeit based on sound Catholic teaching, judge the actions of others in excess of what actual Catholic doctrine judges, or even misjudge facts about others.
 
Excuse #1

EXCUSES FOR VOTING FOR PRO-ABORTION POLITICIANS
  1. National Republicans aren’t “really” pro-life, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  2. Specific candidate isn’t “really” pro-life, or I don’t believe his supposed change of belief, so it’s okay if I vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  3. My deacon/priest/bishop/cardinal told me or wrote me a letter telling me it was okay to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  4. I’m not a one-issue voter, so I can ignore the Church’s teaching and vote for the virulently pro-abortion politician.
  5. Republicans (at any level) have not passed enough pro-life laws (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  6. Republicans (at any level) have not had enough success on pro-life issues (as decided by me), so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  7. Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land even though most Supreme Court justices were appointed by the Republicans, therefore Republicans aren’t serious about abortion, so I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  8. I found a Church document that mentioned proportionate reasons in voting, so I personally judged support for a higher minimum wage (or other social justice cause) was on equal footing with abortion, and I can vote for the political party that is virulently pro-abortion.
  9. I personally believe that Democratic policies will reduce abortions, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  10. We can’t do anything about abortion until we change the hearts and minds of the people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  11. You can’t legislate morality, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  12. People will still have abortions even if you make them illegal, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  13. We can’t end abortion until we address the root causes, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  14. I can’t impose my beliefs on other people, so it is okay for me to vote for a virulently pro-abortion politician.
  15. There isn’t any difference between the parties, so it is okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
  16. The Pro-Life movement is in the tank for the Republican party (even though all pro-life legislation has had the overwhelming support of Republicans and overwhelming opposition from Democrats), so it’s okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion party.
Maybe send you list to the Bishops and see if they will publish it, thus giving it authority because as it stands now it’s just some post by an anonymous internet poster.
 
ahh, glad you asked:

The Fraudulence of the Republican Party, and the Adverse Shift in the Balance Between Good and Evil in America
-Andy Schmookler
This is your evidence…Andy Schmookler? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Ah yes! This is a fair and balanced assessment of the Repubs!..:rolleyes: I loved what he says here on one of his rants in another article linked below; "It has long seemed to me that the world would be a much better place if people acted according to the spirit Jesus taught. What would Jesus do? One thing seems clear to me: In America today, he would not vote Republican." Oh really? And speaking of Jesus, I wonder what Our Lord would say about the party that supports, defends, and protects what this nurse describes quite vividly here;
"My name is Jill Stanek. In 1999, I discovered that Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois, where I worked as a labor and delivery nurse, was leaving babies who survived induced labor abortions to die in the soiled utility room. I personally held one of these infants 45 minutes until he gasped his last breath, which was obviously life-changing. When I explained my experience to hospital administrators, they refused to stop their horrific treatment of these infants. After going public, my story immediately grabbed the attention of legislators and media, which resulted in the introduction of the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act. Christ Hospital fired me in August 2001 for reasons related to my public statements. I testified before Barack Obama in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee and Health and Human Services Committee (When he was in the Illinois state Senate, Barack Obama voted to deny basic Constitutional protections for babies born alive from an abortion — not once, not twice, not three, but four times!) as well as the US House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution. On August 5, 2002, I joined President George W. Bush for his signing of the federal version of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act."
Jill Stanek is considered by many to be the most influential pro-life blogger on the internet. After a career in nursing, where she discovered live birth abortions being performed at her hospital, she became an outspoken advocate for the pro-life cause. She helped to pass the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, even being thanked by President George Bush at the signing, and continues to write and speak out about pro-life issues.
m.roanoke.com/opinion/commentary/schmookler-jesus-wouldn-t-recognize-this-kind-of-christian/article_b25549d0-dadc-11e3-a2a2-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

Peace, Mark
 
Some of us found out that abortion was evil probably before we were really apt to know what the Church said on it. I know from the get-go Roe V. Wade 1972, the Church was against it.

Not to be judgmental, some of us learned it was that evil before political parties really stepped into the fray, anti-abortion brochures way back then were already being printed showing aborted fetuses. Some of us inherently see the intrinsic evil in it because it has never been any other way. If that dates some of us, so be it.
 
Well according to some posters on here, that’s exactly what Democrats do 🤷 you know, with them supporting an intrinsic evil and all. 😛
I have absolutely wanted Obama to fail since he first was elected. He’s a leftist radical who is in favor of aborting partially born babies. If you think a president like that is remotely with supporting then I can’t help you.

Ishii
 
I have absolutely wanted Obama to fail since he first was elected. He’s a leftist radical who is in favor of aborting partially born babies. If you think a president like that is remotely with supporting then I can’t help you.

Ishii
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I have absolutely wanted Obama to fail since he first was elected. He’s a leftist radical who is in favor of aborting partially born babies. If you think a president like that is remotely with supporting then I can’t help you.

Ishii
Wow, how mad are you going to be when Hillary wins in 2016? 😉

Republicans want Obama to fail more than they want America to succeed. This is why so many Catholics vote Democrat and will continue to.
 
Wow, how mad are you going to be when Hillary wins in 2016? 😉

Republicans want Obama to fail more than they want America to succeed. This is why so many Catholics vote Democrat and will continue to.
Do you consider yourself Catholic?? This thread is called “Can Catholics Vote Democrat”, with full respect, I’m not sure by what authority you are asserting your beliefs.
 
Love is hardly standing up for the most innocent among us to be torn to pieces, I learned as a kid the hymn, “and they’ll know we are Christians by our love”.
 
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