Can Catholics Vote Democrat?

[pnewton]

“Can you show where the Church has said…”

Most of the time, this question is unanswered or the answer is just another question asking the reverse. The answer to the thread question can be found in this problem. If the Church has not spoken, then the answer is “yes”, a Catholic can vote for a Democrat. The only question that remains is should a Catholic vote for Democrat. There are simply too many variables to answer this question in every situation for every election and for every voter. We should mimic our shepherds and only emphasize the principles for forming a faithful conscience.

In Her silence on this She has stated much.

The only thing that can be drawn from silence is that there is nothing said.

 

[Path_Finder]

Let’s see, the highest abortion rate states are California and New York, largely Democatic states, even Delaware has a high rate of abortion.

Massachusetts, guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/massachusetts.html

Definitely higher than a lot of your red states. So I would say the proof is in the pudding, generally Democratically controlled states have more abortion.

Let’s not forget, the Budget was held up just so Planned Parenthood could be funded even if this meant denying paychecks to the military. President Obama refused to sign the budget.

If we cherry pick incidences, there are certainly many such incidences one can as well concerning the Democrat party.

 

[Lapey]

I am not defending anything, so you should get your facts straight before you make accusations. But, if a politician claimed to be pro-life and someone had sufficient reason to believe that they were lying, then there certainly could be scenarios where one could vote against a supposed pro-life politician.

In a head to head contest, as in the last election with Obama and Romney, I agree with you 100%. But I could also see those who would think Romney the lessor of two evils; but as some have pointed out still evil.

My issue is making blanket statements about all others to come and just automatically labeling them as liars and not worthy of a vote based on past politicians. For example, because of the 80’s and 90’s failures of republicans, all republicans lie about fighting abortion and therefore I can vote for a proven pro-abortion candidate. That just makes no sense.

 

[Lapey]

“Can you show where the Church has said…”

Most of the time, this question is unanswered or the answer is just another question asking the reverse. The answer to the thread question can be found in this problem. If the Church has not spoken, then the answer is “yes”, a Catholic can vote for a Democrat. The only question that remains is should a Catholic vote for Democrat. There are simply too many variables to answer this question in every situation for every election and for every voter. We should mimic our shepherds and only emphasize the principles for forming a faithful conscience.

The only thing that can be drawn from silence is that there is nothing said.

Now that says much!

 

[steve_b]

Governor Mitt Romney was pro-abortion. In a 2002 debate when he was running, he said “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard.”

Senator Harry Reid is pro-abortion.

Reid is no Romney.

And as for the record on Romney, your comment doesn’t reflect the Romney that was running for President politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/19/politifacts-guide-mitt-romney-and-abortion/

Catholics had a clear choice between candidates and between political parties

 

[Path_Finder]

“Can you show where the Church has said…”

Most of the time, this question is unanswered or the answer is just another question asking the reverse. The answer to the thread question can be found in this problem. If the Church has not spoken, then the answer is “yes”, a Catholic can vote for a Democrat. The only question that remains is should a Catholic vote for Democrat. There are simply too many variables to answer this question in every situation for every election and for every voter. We should mimic our shepherds and only emphasize the principles for forming a faithful conscience.

The only thing that can be drawn from silence is that there is nothing said.

The Church is not for abortion.

 

[Path_Finder]

Reid is no Romney.

And as for the record on Romney, your comment doesn’t reflect the Romney that was running for President politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/19/politifacts-guide-mitt-romney-and-abortion/

Catholics had a clear choice between candidates and between political parties

This is what Planned Parenthood said on Mitt Romney so who is right on talking about Romney per Planned Parenthood or others??

“Mitt Romney is misleading the public about his intention to restrict safe and legal abortion. Last week, Mitt Romney was dishonest about his tax plan and his Medicare plan, and today he’s being dishonest about his intention to end access to safe and legal abortion. Mitt Romney has been crystal clear that if he’s elected President, he will work to overturn Roe v. Wade. Mitt Romney’s views on women’s health are far outside the mainstream, and that’s why he’s trying to hide them in the last weeks until the election.”

“Let’s be clear: Mitt Romney wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, end federal funding for Planned Parenthood preventive services, end insurance coverage for birth control, and repeal health protections for women.”

plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/statement-romney-misleading-public-about-his-abortion-stance/

PPH statements already posted in this thread but I guess we can always post it again.

 

[steve_b]

This is what Planned Parenthood said on Mitt Romney so who is right on talking about Romney per Planned Parenthood or others??

plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/statement-romney-misleading-public-about-his-abortion-stance/

PPH statements already posted in this thread but I guess we can always post it again.

What’s your point?

From the link on Planned parenthood you provided

"Mitt Romney has been crystal clear that if he’s elected President, he will work to overturn Roe v. Wade. Mitt Romney’s views on women’s health are far outside the mainstream, and that’s why he’s trying to hide them in the last weeks until the election.”
“Let’s be clear: Mitt Romney wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, end federal funding for Planned Parenthood preventive services, end insurance coverage for birth control, and repeal health protections for women.”
Mitt Romney has clearly said in his own words multiple times that he wants Roe v. Wade overturned — ending access to safe and legal abortion.

• In response to a question at a 2012 Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire, Romney said, “Do I believe the Supreme Court should overturn Roe v. Wade? Yes, I do.” [ABC, New Hampshire GOP Presidential Debate, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/2012-abcyahoowmur-new-hampshire-gop-primary-debate-transcript/2012/01/07/gIQAk2AAiP_blog.html”]1/7/12]
• On the anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, Romney released a statement saying, “Today marks the 39th anniversary of one of the darkest moments in Supreme Court history, when the court in Roe v. Wade claimed authority over the fundamental question regarding the rights of the unborn.” [Life News, http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/22/mitt-romney-calls-for-overturning-roe-vs-wade-decision/”]1/22/12]
• Romney Believes Roe v. Wade is “Bad Law and Bad Medicine.” Romney: “I support the reversal of Roe v. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine. Roe was a misguided ruling that was a result of a small group of activist federal judges legislating from the bench.” [National Review, http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/269984/my-pro-life-pledge-mitt-romney”]6/18/11] "

The link I gave showed Romney’s change of views… from abortion only in cases of the ususal…rape, incest, life of the mother etc… to repeal of Roe V Wade, etc.

Planned Parenthood used his change of direction as a flip flop.

• When asked if the repeal of Roe v. Wade would be a good day for America, former Gov. Romney responded, “Absolutely.” [MSNBC, Transcript of GOP Presidential Debate in California, MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos”]5/3/07]

I say if a person has an epiphany on this subject, good for him and his soul

 

[Path_Finder]

What’s your point?

From the link on Planned parenthood you provided

• In response to a question at a 2012 Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire, Romney said, “Do I believe the Supreme Court should overturn Roe v. Wade? Yes, I do.” [ABC, New Hampshire GOP Presidential Debate, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/2012-abcyahoowmur-new-hampshire-gop-primary-debate-transcript/2012/01/07/gIQAk2AAiP_blog.html”]1/7/12

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• On the anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, Romney released a statement saying, “Today marks the 39th anniversary of one of the darkest moments in Supreme Court history, when the court in Roe v. Wade claimed authority over the fundamental question regarding the rights of the unborn.” [Life News, http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/22/mitt-romney-calls-for-overturning-roe-vs-wade-decision/”]1/22/12]
• Romney Believes Roe v. Wade is “Bad Law and Bad Medicine.” Romney: “I support the reversal of Roe v. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine. Roe was a misguided ruling that was a result of a small group of activist federal judges legislating from the bench.” [National Review, http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/269984/my-pro-life-pledge-mitt-romney”]6/18/11]

The link I gave showed Romney’s change of views… from abortion only in cases of the ususal…rape, incest, life of the mother etc… to repeal of Roe V Wade, etc.

Planned Parenthood used his change of direction as a flip flop.

• When asked if the repeal of Roe v. Wade would be a good day for America, former Gov. Romney responded, “Absolutely.” [MSNBC, Transcript of GOP Presidential Debate in California, MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos”]5/3/07]

I say if a person has an epiphany on this subject, good for him and his soul

Can you read?

Some posters say the opposite of Romney’s views; excuse me for point this out.

 

[steve_b]

Can you read?

Some posters say the opposite of Romney’s views; excuse me for point this out.

Can you explain your point without being rude?

 

[stinkcat_14]

In a head to head contest, as in the last election with Obama and Romney, I agree with you 100%. But I could also see those who would think Romney the lessor of two evils; but as some have pointed out still evil.

Personally, I wouldn’t see Romney’s lack of credibility on the abortion issue to be sufficient justification to vote for Obama. It certainly could give cause to vote for someone else though.

 

[Path_Finder]

Can you explain your point without being rude?

Saying “What’s your point” to someone likewise is rude.

 

[Lapey]

Personally, I wouldn’t see Romney’s lack of credibility on the abortion issue to be sufficient justification to vote for Obama. It certainly could give cause to vote for someone else though.

Agreed, no way did I intend to imply that a vote for Obama was an acceptable choice, sorry about that.

 

[Path_Finder]

Personally, I wouldn’t see Romney’s lack of credibility on the abortion issue to be sufficient justification to vote for Obama. It certainly could give cause to vote for someone else though.

Okay, why are you correct and Planned Parenthood wrong? Are you both right or wrong then?? Why do they say the opposite of what some contend? Also, let us understand the Massachusetts Pro-Life Council, I forget the exact name, endorsed Romney, so you would be saying they are wrong too.

***“Mitt Romney is misleading the public about his intention to restrict safe and legal abortion. Last week, Mitt Romney was dishonest about his tax plan and his Medicare plan, and today he’s being dishonest about his intention to end access to safe and legal abortion. Mitt Romney has been crystal clear that if he’s elected President, he will work to overturn Roe v. Wade. Mitt Romney’s views on women’s health are far outside the mainstream, and that’s why he’s trying to hide them in the last weeks until the election.”

“Let’s be clear: Mitt Romney wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, end federal funding for Planned Parenthood preventive services, end insurance coverage for birth control, and repeal health protections for women.”

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plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/statement-romney-misleading-public-about-his-abortion-stance/

 

[Crossbones]

Reid is no Romney.

And as for the record on Romney, your comment doesn’t reflect the Romney that was running for President politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/19/politifacts-guide-mitt-romney-and-abortion/

Catholics had a clear choice between candidates and between political parties

It’s not my comment; it’s a direct quote from Mitt Romney.

 

[Path_Finder]

It’s not my comment; it’s a direct quote from Mitt Romney.

Also, let’s remember, the Massachusetts House and Senate are heavily Democratic as is their voting populace. So Romney’s actions should be seen as trying to push healthcare through and he was expedient and compromising. At the same time, it would be difficult to find someone on this earth who never changed his mind.

Still, you have abortion doctors who thoroughly changed their minds about abortion and became pro-life. Romney ran two times for President as a pro-life candidate and was criticized by the pro-choice movement for actions he took as Governor of Massachussets.

 

[Path_Finder]

Voting for Romney certainly would have been pro-life internationally as well.

American Leadership in international affairs is disgraceful in how innocents are slaughtered daily in the world and now problems in the Ukraine.

 

[estesbob]

Also, let’s remember, the Massachusetts House and Senate are heavily Democratic as is their voting populace. So Romney’s actions should be seen as trying to push healthcare through and he was expedient and compromising. At the same time, it would be difficult to find someone on this earth who never changed his mind.

Still, you have abortion doctors who thoroughly changed their minds about abortion and became pro-life. Romney ran two times for President as a pro-life candidate and was criticized by the pro-choice movement for actions he took as Governor of Massachussets.

Can anyone name a single pro abortion organization that endorsed Romney? Can anyone name a single pro-life organization that did not?

PP spent over 13 million dollars running Ads against him.

 

[Crossbones]

Also, let’s remember, the Massachusetts House and Senate are heavily Democratic as is their voting populace. So Romney’s actions should be seen as trying to push healthcare through and he was expedient and compromising. At the same time, it would be difficult to find someone on this earth who never changed his mind.

Still, you have abortion doctors who thoroughly changed their minds about abortion and became pro-life. Romney ran two times for President as a pro-life candidate and was criticized by the pro-choice movement for actions he took as Governor of Massachussets.

So he was lying?

 

[Path_Finder]

So he was lying?

No.

He ran 2 times, 2008 and 2012 on a pro-life platform. I don’t see why we are going into the past.

Are we saying no one ever changes their mind?

Also, it seems a bit out of proportion to emphasize one Massachusetts governor in discussing the pro-life issue. There is no Presidential election this year.