Can I Be Friends With A White Witch?

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Abira said:
yeah that’s all sorted in my head… if you check my OP I did ask her specifically and she answered specifically so the lines aren’t blurred.

I’ve taken some of the advice so far… I think we can be friends but I’ll just keep my guard up, well I’ll try to remember… I’m not very good at being suspicious 🙂

The whole Magi thing does confuse me… but then I’d like to know if the Magi changed there faith or beliefs? I assume that they did but can’t remember reading it if I have.

Thanks again to all.

S
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From the Catholic Encyclopedia on the Magi:
“Neither were they magicians: the good meaning of magoi, though found nowhere else in the Bible, is demanded by the context of the second chapter of St. Matthew. These Magians can have been none other than members of the priestly caste already referred to. The religion of the Magi was fundamentally that of Zoroaster and forbade sorcery;”
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"We are certain that the Magi were told in sleep not to return to Herod and that “they went back another way into their country” (v. 12). This other way may have been a way to the Jordan such as to avoid Jerusalem and Jericho; or a roundabout way south through Beersheba, then east to the great highway (now the Mecca route) in the land of Moab and beyond the Dead Sea. It is said that after their return home, the Magi were baptized by St. Thomas and wrought much for the spread of the Faith in Christ. The story is traceable to an Arian writer of not earlier than the sixth century, whose work is printed, as “Opus imperfectum in Matthæum” among the writings of St. Chrysostom (P.G., LVI, 644). This author admits that he is drawing upon the apocryphal Book of Seth, and writes much about the Magi that is clearly legendary. The cathedral of Cologne contains what are claimed to be the remains of the Magi; these, it is said, were discovered in Persia, brought to Constantinople by St. Helena, transferred to Milan in the fifth century and to Cologne in 1163 (Acta SS., I, 323). "
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Mirdath said:
I’m afraid it’s not quite that easy. One of the offices of the magi would have been to prophesy and draw up horoscopes for the nobility – one only has to look at any other biblical reference to astrologers to see that. They were scientists and magicians, somewhat like the alchemists of later centuries.

The word ‘magus’ itself is directly drawn from ‘magic’. It’s utterly impossible to say the Magi were purely scientists and not wizards. In fact, it was their art itself that led them to the Christ-child; had they been only scientists, they would have written the star off as a nova. But they were astrologers as well, and from that marked its importance.
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They had no idea that such a thing as a nova existed!! They didn’t “write it off”, because it was the means by which God spoke to them.

But what they were doing,was not what astrologers do today. Were they following the teachings of the Bible? No, of course not; they most likely had no idea that such a thing as a Bible existed either…
Reepicheep said:
They attempted astrological interpretations as well as astronomical observations because they believed in such things. That doesnt make them right, nor does it proves that astrology works. Neither does it invalidate the point that they, as the scholars of the time, were more than just astrologers in the modern sense.
What’s your authority for the claim that it was their “art” that lead them to know about the Christ child? If you trust the Bible account…well, we know what the Bible says about astrology. If some other source, what is that source?
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They were scientists. They were not necromancers or the like. They were innovators whose work would lead to the astronomy of today, just as the alchemists’ work would lead to the chemistry of today.
To place them in the same position as the likes of a Sylvia Browne, et al, is to simply deny the historical facts.

God bless all here.
 
As a recovering witch (and budding Traditionalist Catholic 😃 )
I can tell you that being there is the best thing for her. I am back in the Church because of the gentle love of my non-Pagan friends and my family.
Invite her to Mass, but don’t push it.
Beware of attempting to find “relations” between Paganism/Witchcraft and Catholicism (ie: Mary, saints, etc…) Although this may, initially draw her to the Church, there is a chance she will abuse the Catholic love of Mary and our veneration of her. Additonally, it is common to view Mary as a face of the goddess and the saints as minor gods and goddesses.

Continue to be a light on the path, and to “preach the gospel to all the world, and if necessary use words”.
Feel free to PM me with specific questions.
 
PatienceAndLove said:
As a recovering witch (and budding Traditionalist Catholic 😃 )
I can tell you that being there is the best thing for her. I am back in the Church because of the gentle love of my non-Pagan friends and my family.
Invite her to Mass, but don’t push it.
Beware of attempting to find “relations” between Paganism/Witchcraft and Catholicism (ie: Mary, saints, etc…) Although this may, initially draw her to the Church, there is a chance she will abuse the Catholic love of Mary and our veneration of her. Additonally, it is common to view Mary as a face of the goddess and the saints as minor gods and goddesses.

Continue to be a light on the path, and to “preach the gospel to all the world, and if necessary use words”.
Feel free to PM me with specific questions.
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thanks, first hand experience is always good 🙂

S
 
I would definantly ask my priest for advice. As a past Wiccan, I must tell you there is really no such thing as ‘white witchcraft.’ It is way more complicated than whether one means a good or bad outcome via their intentions. A witch calls upon elemental forces to bring about the change they desire. You may pray for something but you would not try to circumvent God’s will to get what you want or believe is best. There is one of the major differences in your two beliefs. Basically when doing a spell a witch asks intercession of ‘energy’ to bring about the outcome. The problem is what is this energy? Is it good or bad? Many occultist view this energy as positive and negative, like electricity, not good or bad. She may only intend to invite the good energy, but that doesn’t mean the good will show up. When one dabbles in the occult, they open a door. They open themselves up to communication with unseen forces, often relying on their own power or their goddess(es)/god(s) to protect them. As a Catholic you know there is only one true God, so may discount her spells and dieties -if any- as silly and harmless. However the RCC is one of the few that use exorcism and believe in demons historically. Our modern senses and scientific thinking tell us such things are not real or just silly. However there is an unseen world out there. We cannot see heaven but can catch a small glimpse of it when we witness selfless love. We can’t see hell but catch a glimpse when we look into the eyes of a tortured soul. We cannot see God but feel His love. Pray for your friend and seek advice from your local church on how to proceed with your friendship. Perhaps you met her for a reason, Divine intervention perhaps? 🙂
 
tismyself said:
Basically when doing a spell a witch asks intercession of ‘energy’ to bring about the outcome. The problem is what is this energy? Is it good or bad? Many occultist view this energy as positive and negative, like electricity, not good or bad. She may only intend to invite the good energy, but that doesn’t mean the good will show up. When one dabbles in the occult, they open a door. They open themselves up to communication with unseen forces, often relying on their own power or their goddess(es)/god(s) to protect them.
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Very true! I knew there were some things I forgot. And don’t forget the ideas of Watchtowers, elemental beings, the “circle”, etc. as forms of protections. I personally, never exerienced this “protection”. “Things” (use that term because I can’t describe them) would follow me for days after rituals.
tismyself said:
As a Catholic you know there is only one true God, so may discount her spells and dieties -if any- as silly and harmless. However the RCC is one of the few that use exorcism and believe in demons historically. Our modern senses and scientific thinking tell us such things are not real or just silly. However there is an unseen world out there. We cannot see heaven but can catch a small glimpse of it when we witness selfless love. We can’t see hell but catch a glimpse when we look into the eyes of a tortured soul. We cannot see God but feel His love.
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One of the things I love about the RCC is that we actively recognize the existance of the spiritual realm, and that it does interact, for lack of better term, with ours.

To the Original Poster: When you talk to her, don’t forget the Armor of God. It sounds silly, but it is very helpful!
 
This may should harsh, but if she continues in her witchcraft, cut her out of your life completely. She is involved with the occult, of which Satan is the author, and you don’t want that to touch your life in any way, shape, or form. She’s playing with fire and I don’t want you to get burned.
 
This may sound harsh, but if she continues in her witchcraft, cut her out of your life completely. She is involved with the occult, of which Satan is the author, and you don’t want that to touch your life in any way, shape, or form. She’s playing with fire and I don’t want you to get burned.
 
thanks to everyone’s comments…I have read them all carefully 🙂

Well the development is that she never mentions witchcraft except when I asked her… and she seems to flit around in her longstanding interests… starsigns, gemstones… and she has a strange belief in angels

not that the belief is straneg in itself, but I asked her how she can believe in angels when she does not believe in God… she believes we all have a guardian angel and reads loads of books on the idea (non christian yet to my knowledge). It’s not something I’ve ever given thought to myself lol

To be honest it’s mainly me that talks religion, not that I mean to, and she seems ok with just listening. I know her father is Christian. I’ll just make sure I keep my guard up and see how it goes.

S
 
Abria, she knows a lot about you personally. She knows your faith too.
She could be casting spells on you at this very moment. I would Wear the Scapular, bring a tiny vial of Holy Water with me everywhere, and learn some Latin fast.
Don’t get information about Angels from her. Use Catholic sources only.
Don’t take her to Church with you ever. What if she takes the host?
:eek:
 
Is she threatening to turn you into a toad or other similar creature?
If not she is probably a friend of yours as you always expected.
Ask yourself this…Does God love her?
If God loves her, why shouldnt you?
Witness to her the Gospel, if absolutely neccessary, use words to do that.
 
Hellisreal said:
Abria, she knows a lot about you personally. She knows your faith too.
She could be casting spells on you at this very moment. I would Wear the Scapular, bring a tiny vial of Holy Water with me everywhere, and learn some Latin fast.
Don’t get information about Angels from her. Use Catholic sources only.
Don’t take her to Church with you ever. What if she takes the host?
:eek:
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Are you being sarcastic? Please tell me so.
And seriously, unless the woman goes up to communion, it would be hard for her to get a host. And I would think that the OP would let this woman know that she can not go up to communion.

As for the angel thing, I would have to agree. Pagans (some, not all or even most, just some) can have some strange ideas of angels and saints.
 
Reminds me of a bit I saw on the Montel Williams show some time ago. Sylvia Brown (ha!) was on talking about how witches are harmless and the sweetest people. HOWEVER, she did say you must not cross them or they will put nasty spells on you…
 
As a recovering witch, I NEVER met any pagans who cared enough to cast a spell on a Christian, regardless of tradition. Pagans usually see Christians as pitiful arguing people with a lack of unity in beliefs and large amounts of hypocrisy (this is at least what I, personally, encountered) and to waste energy on a spell on a Chrisitan isn’t worth the time or effort.
 
Hellisreal said:
Really? Do you have a unusual parish? John Kerry’s or Nacy Pelosie’s?:rolleyes:
Yes. And many take anyway. Knowing they should not. Your point?
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No, I don’t have ab unusual Parish. My Baptist fiance goes with me to Church every Sunday, and the first time we went, I told him that he could NOT go to Communion. And had he tried to, I would have turned around, when leaving the pew, and told him in no uncertain terms to sit down and we would discuss this after Mass.
As for my Church, Fr. Larry locks the consecrated host in the tabernacle, thus making it impossible for someone to take a consecrated host.
And I resent you calling my parish a haven for leftests.
 
Can I be blunt?

Get the heck out of there right now! I mean it!

You don’t know now and you will regret later what this means. Please know that I love you and I love your friend. She/he needs prayer and we will give it to her/him. Do not stay around these people. Stay with Jesus and with God and with the Holy Spirit and with Mary. You may want to pray to St. Monica.

Please leave these people now.

Much love,
sherri:eek:
 
i have left this person but have remained to talk to her and stayed remote friends. this is going well so far and i have introduced have to the forum. S x
 
Cast a magic spell on her, get her to make a love potion and then give it to me:D
 
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