Can I get some help with these questions

[twb1621]

Please to meet you twb1621

i can see you need your priest or some one to explain what you read to you. that was just too simple for you to understand was’nt it. i guess you are surprice that you actually understood it. i bet you did not think that was possible. oh my… what will you do now? well you are responsable for it now.

Dude! What are you doing? Of all the scriptures in the bible you went and pull this one.
Now this is beyond confusion. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot…
Have you ever interpret any prophecy with out someone telling you what it is? Be honest now. Or can you interpret any prophecy for that matter? Can you show me were we are in prophetic history? Tell you what; go ask your priest were we are in prophetic history lets see if he knows?
“Unfortunately you are trying to perform astrophysics with knowledge only in algebra.” Study to show your self approved my friend. Please my friend, study these things for your self and let God show you what they mean. God will never let anyone that search for him with all their heart be misled or confused by what people say.
I recommend that you read his work with prayer and patience with a trusting heart in his clearly reviled word.
Hope to see you again.
May God bless and keep you and shine his light upon you that you may see is my prayer for you.

My friend, you do not know anything of me, nor do you know who I am or where I come from and truly it makes no difference except that you show how resolute you are to judge with little knowledge. But let me say with all due respect, it is arrogance to believe you have the true answers to all the Bible speaks when your faith is but one in many thousands formed long after the institution of the Church by Christ. You think you can interpret Biblical prophecy but you must discredit much of the gospel to support your beliefs. No my friend, if you were as wise and “well versed” as you believe yourself to be you would not have any questions to ask in the forum. The verse I provided, like many, was direct and to the point but you as many others have a tweak interpretation to suit yourself.
Here is the Biblical interpretation historically recognized;

[16] Coming: in Greek parousia, used at ⇒ 2 Peter 3:4, ⇒ 12 of the second coming of Christ. The word was used in the extrabiblical writings for the visitation of someone in authority; in Greek cult and Hellenistic Judaism it was used for the manifestation of the divine presence. That the apostles made known has been interpreted to refer to Jesus’ transfiguration (2pe ⇒ 1:17) or to his entire first coming or to his future coming in power (2 Peter 3).

10 [17] The author assures the readers of the reliability of the apostolic message (including Jesus’ power, glory, and coming; cf the note on ⇒ 2 Peter 1:16) by appeal to the transfiguration of Jesus in glory (cf ⇒ Matthew 17:1-8 and parallels) and by appeal to the prophetic message (⇒ 2 Peter 1:19; perhaps ⇒ Numbers 24:17). Here, as elsewhere, the New Testament insists on continued reminders as necessary to preserve the historical facts about Jesus and the truths of the faith; cf ⇒ 2 Peter 3:1-2; ⇒ 1 Cor 11:2; ⇒ 15:1-3. My Son, my beloved: or, “my beloved Son.”

11 [18] We: at Jesus’ transfiguration, referring to Peter, James, and John (⇒ Matthew 17:1).

12 [20-21] Often cited, along with ⇒ 2 Tim 3:16, on the “inspiration” of scripture or against private interpretation, these verses in context are directed against the false teachers of 2 Peter 2 and clever tales (⇒ 2 Peter 1:16). The prophetic word in scripture comes admittedly through human beings (⇒ 2 Peter 1:21), but moved by the holy Spirit, not from their own interpretation, and is a matter of what the author and Spirit intended, not the personal interpretation of false teachers. Instead of under the influence of God, some manuscripts read “holy ones of God.”

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[twb1621]

continued from previous post;
Yes, of course some of what I presented was cut and pasted, as I am not a fool to rewrite what was already correctly written. If it makes you feel better I can change the wording but it will have the same meaning. If your beliefs were correct, explain and answer the following (much of which is in my words except for scripture of course);

Recorded history proves the origin and lineage of the Catholic Church from the establishment laid by Jesus through His apostles and their successors. The Apostles continued the growth and establishment of the Church through the assignment of their successors and the formation of the hierarchy. These are the very same Faithful followers who came to be know as “Christians” in Antioch and a short time later recognized as the “universal” or “Catholic Church”. Through the Gospel Jesus proclaims the Church He founded will never fall but He also clearly warned there would be corrupt men (wolves) who would violate her and deceive others. That those corrupt would cause many to follow the wrong path by distorting His word not only from outside His Church but from within at times. All of these prophecies we have seen including the corruption outside as well as those who deceived with His word from within the Church such as Martin Luther. There are many verses in Gospel that point all these violations against His Church out. It is also proclaimed that the Church WILL be of one God and One Faith and nowhere in scripture does it say derivatives with there own beliefs will be acceptable. It is specific to only one Faith and one God. The following verses are some of those attesting to these prophecies and proclamations;

Latin Vulgate (The first Holy Bible compiled, translated to Latin and canonized by the Catholic Church)

**Jesus said, **
**Mat. Ch16; 15-19 “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” **

Luke CH22; 31 “And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you all as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren.”

Jesus said:
“…I am the good shepherd, and I know mine and mine know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I will lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd.” (Jn 10:14-16)

**Matthew CH24; 4 “And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you: 5 For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ: and they will seduce many. 6 And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that ye be not troubled. For these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be pestilences, and famines, and earthquakes in places: 8 Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall put you to death: and you shall be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10 And then shall many be scandalized: and shall betray one another: and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and ***shall seduce many. 12 And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold. 13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.*”

Acts Ch20; 28 “Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.”

Ephesians CH4; 1 “I therefore, a prisoner in the Lord, beseech you that you walk worthy of the vocation in which you are called, 2 With all humility and mildness, with patience, supporting one another in charity. 3 Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 One body (the Church) and one Spirit (Holy Spirit); as you are called in one hope of your calling. 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.”

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[twb1621]

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1 Corinthians CH12; “12*** For as the body is one, and hath many members; and all the members of the body, whereas they are many, yet are one body, so also is Christ. ****13 For in one Spirit (The Holy Spirit) were we all baptized into one body (Church), whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free; and in one Spirit we have all been made to drink. ***14 For the body also is not one member, but many (the established church including the faithful). ***15 If the foot should say, because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? ******16 And if the ear should say, because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? ******17 If the whole body were the eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? ******18 But now God hath set the members every one of them in the body as it hath pleased him. ******19 And if they all were one member, where would be the body? ******20 But now there are many members indeed, yet one body. ***
***21 And the eye cannot say to the hand: I need not thy help; nor again the head to the feet: I have no need of you. ******22 Yea, much more those that seem to be the more feeble members of the body, are more necessary. ******23 And such as we think to be the less honourable members of the body, about these we put more abundant honour; and those that are our uncomely parts, have more abundant comeliness. ******24 But our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, giving to that which wanted the more abundant honour, ***25 That there might be no schism in the body; but the members might be mutually careful one for another.

**26 **if (one) part suffers, all the parts suffer with it; if one part is honored, all the parts share its joy. 27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually parts of it. 28 Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work mighty deeds? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Strive eagerly for the greatest spiritual gifts. But I shall show you a still more excellent way. ”

Colossians CH1; 18*** “And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy: ****19 Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that all fullness should dwell; ***20 And through him to reconcile all things unto himself, making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the things that are on earth, and the things that are in heaven.
***21 And you, whereas you were some time alienated and enemies in mind in evil works: ******22 Yet now he hath reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unspotted, and blameless before him: ******23 If so ye continue in the faith, grounded and settled, and immoveable from the hope of the gospel which you have heard, which is preached in all the creation that is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister. ***24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church.”

**Anyone can and many have distorted the word of God and twisted the interpretations of the Bible. This is prophecy. **No where in Scripture does it say the Church Jesus founded would end, become corrupt and fail or be reestablished at any time or by any man before His return. On the contrary. It proclaims everything but these things to occur. If in fact the Catholic Church was not the true Church as some other “Christian” faiths were led to believe, one would have to know which Faith was the True Faith. After all, there must be one (and only one) because the Bible testifies to it and to the fact it must be visible, obvious, and is of only “one God, one Faith, one body and one Baptism”… and it would never fall.
So which one has been established by Jesus through the Apostles and their successors and has maintained consistency since His crucifixion without interruption as Jesus proclaimed AND has all the traits to identify it Biblically? yours? not at all. Only the Catholic Church.

 

[greggy53]

you presume wrong my friend. i would not accept any extrabiblical reference that would try to undermine what the clear word of God has revealed to us.

may God bless and keep you

You use only scriptural evidence right? How do you know the books in the Bible belong there, that they are the inspired word of God?

 

[Des]

we shall see if you will be able to use it when my God teach me how to give it to you.

You sound so arrogant it’s unbelievable. Are you saying you are so in tune with God that when you interpret, it’s Him doing the talking? You’re declaring yourself our own little Pope and making yourself look like quite the fool here. The only thing that ‘teachers’ like yourself manage, is a scattering of the faith. You preach outside of Holy Mother Church and pick the ignorant off like fish in a barrel. And good luck ‘teaching’ those of us in this forum anything. We’ve heard it all here and nothing you say is new or brings enlightenment to Catholics. It’s all just copying and pasting from an invention created about 150 years ago.

 

[greggy53]

You sound so arrogant it’s unbelievable. Are you saying you are so in tune with God that when you interpret, it’s Him doing the talking? You’re declaring yourself our own little Pope and making yourself look like quite the fool here. The only thing that ‘teachers’ like yourself manage, is a scattering of the faith. You preach outside of Holy Mother Church and pick the ignorant off like fish in a barrel. And good luck ‘teaching’ those of us in this forum anything. We’ve heard it all here and nothing you say is new or brings enlightenment to Catholics. It’s all just copying and pasting from an invention created about 150 years ago.

Arrogant is the right word. when I disagree with my SDA acquaintance he states very emphatically that “I don’t know the scriptures” He has done this on at least two occasions where the errors of his sola scriptura teaching has backed him into a corner.

 

[Philthy]

Hi Philthy.

you presume wrong my friend. i would not accept any extrabiblical reference that would try to undermine what the clear word of God has revealed to us.

may God bless and keep you

Hi dnelson-

Of course you wouldnt accept the testimony of the first generation of Christians, many of whom gave their lives for the faith - even though some of them are mentioned in the bible. So then if you dont trust other Christians we have a little issue to resolve. You will have to prove my quote source is, in fact, “extrabiblical”, ie not the word of God, and that what you have presented is. I know you cant do it apart from the testimony of the same Christians you reject here, but do you know that? I dont think so.

In addition, you never rescinded your comments regarding the Church teaching that the Pope is “Lord of lords and King of kings”. It was plainly and repeatedly pointed out to you that you were making an elementary error in interpreting your native language. Are you still defiant on the issue or are you prepared to admit you were mistaken?? It’s only important in judging the trustworthiness of every other claim you make - whether it comes from an open and seeking heart or whether it comes from something else.

Blessings

 

[Philthy]

I perceive your wickedness and deceitfulness, you would do anything to hold on to a little peace of text wont you…

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[Philthy]

You sound so arrogant it’s unbelievable. … making yourself look like quite the fool here. The only thing that ‘teachers’ like yourself manage, is a scattering of the faith.

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[estesbob]

well estesbob we meet again, always a pleasure

I don’t know where you are getting your information from but i think you need to look it up yourself. This is the problem today. Everyone is content to sit down and be fed with a golden spoon. it seems everything is say say. This one says this, that one says that, i heard this and i heard that.
I perceive that you know something. I also perceive that you are testing the knowledge I have of my faith. Well I can play along.
If I’m not mistaken I told you this before. Ellen White was not looking to keep the Sabbath. And when she was presented with this truth she rejected it just like everyone else. It was not until deep study that they were convince of its importance. We are to go on from knowledge to knowledge, ever learning and putting in practice what we have learn. And Ellen white did not form the Adventist church, she was a guide and one of the founders. Look it up and get back to me.
There is only 2 churches that came about by Bible Prophecy. Guess which 2 they are… the Roman Catholic Church and the Seventh day Adventist Church.
One is associated with the 1260 years and the other at the end of the 2300 years. But something tells me I don’t have to explain this to you.

So God couldnt get it right the first time? And since these alleged two Bible Prophecy Churchs have very different doctrines how do we resolve that? Or did the rules change after 1,840 years?

This is where you err again in the scriptures. The Holy Spirit did not sneak around anything. The Holy Spirit predicted it would happen hundreds of years in advance. The bible told us it would happen and how long it would last with pin point accuracy. It told us how, when, were and by whom it would come to pass. It also told us what was going to happen to Gods people during those 1260 years. Read rev 12:6, 14; 13:5; Daniel 7:25. Every one of these text refers to the 1260 years. The Holy spirit made shore we knew what he was talking about. The holy spirit is who exposed it. But the problem was that God had a set time for that to be reintroduced and that was the 2300 year prophecy. 1844 was the year that changed the world.
unlike some, i dont have to use our writings to prove anything I say. i know that my x-Adventist friends are just dying for me to say Ellen White say: they must be red i the face with impatiance. but that is ok they are playing there part in the last conflict.
all of my information comes from none-Adventist saurces. where do you get yours?

What kind of game is god playing with us? There is no universal truth-he changes it at will and the only ones who can be saved are the ones intelligent enough to figure it from scripture???

you know that Joseph Smith, Jr was a free mason right? do you know were free mason came from?
of couse to start a new church you need unique insight. what did you think i would say?

Why would there ever be any need for new church after Jesus founded the catholic Church? Unless of course he got it all wrong in the first place.

that insigh came because God said at the end of the 2300 years it would come.

Based on your embracing of ellen White et als personal interpreation of Scripture -interpertations that, IIRC ,claimed the second comong of Christ would be in the mid 19th century. If they were wrong then why should we trust them now?

well i dont know who you been asking about why every one got things so wrong for so many years? well today is your locky day because i have the answer for you.
are you ready for it? well pope John Paul II told you already. when he was apolizing for all the the children os the church did to the Jews. what could they have posible done to the jews? they persecuted and killed them and every one that did what the Jews did. and what did the Jews do? they kept the Sabbath. all Christian kept the Sabbath. yes even the CC. but their hatred for the jews had no bound and anything that would osociate with the jews found its place at the stake or the fagot. it was not hard to find them out because on Sabbath they yould try to get to gether. The Sabath is a mark and in the 10 commandment it is the seal of the allmighty God who maid the heaven and the earth.

So a very, very inept god got it all wrong in the first place and waited 1800 years to sort it out?

so the answer to you question is: every one kept Sunday because enyone who did not was killed that is why. pure and simple.

Barring any evidence that any Chrisitan kept the sabbath on any day but Sunday it is necessary to hatch a massive conspiracy theory to try and validate new improved reveleations-it is a great theory because the lack of evidence is shown as proof!

 

[Dchsknight]

My Brothers and Sisters(excluding Dnelson for you are no Brother)

all of this is meaningless. Dnelson is a Deciver and a Divider. He is trying to come in here and rattle and shake our faiths with his lies and blasphemy. He is trying burn down our homes of faith and we should not let him. Do not fan the fire that he is trying to set. Instead walk away.

We do not have to prove anything to him. For he is an unbeliever. the bible specficly says, to an unbeliever no explanation can be given. there is nothing we can say that will convince him that he si wrong and Christ is right and Christ is in the Catholic Church. Since he wont hear, the bible says do not cast your pearls before swine.

We have such an amazing treasure and pearl in the heart of Jesus and in the church. do not throw it around like trash.

I would say the best weapon against a person like this is to walk away and let Jesus deal with him. Jesus does not need us to defend him or his mother or his Bride, Dnelson will simply die out into the shadows were he can yell at the walls and the wind. The bible also states to stay away from these kinds of people. My brother and sisters, Stay away from this thread. Stay away from Dnelson, let this thread die. do not post no matter how maddening he maybe. let him think he is right and that he has won. because all he will hear from our lord is, “I never knew you”. And his justice is far better then any one else’s.

 

[estesbob]

My Brothers and Sisters(excluding Dnelson for you are no Brother)

all of this is meaningless. Dnelson is a Deciver and a Divider. He is trying to come in here and rattle and shake our faiths with his lies and blasphemy. He is trying burn down our homes of faith and we should not let him. Do not fan the fire that he is trying to set. Instead walk away.

We do not have to prove anything to him. For he is an unbeliever. the bible specficly says, to an unbeliever no explanation can be given. there is nothing we can say that will convince him that he si wrong and Christ is right and Christ is in the Catholic Church. Since he wont hear, the bible says do not cast your pearls before swine.

We have such an amazing treasure and pearl in the heart of Jesus and in the church. do not throw it around like trash.

I would say the best weapon against a person like this is to walk away and let Jesus deal with him. Jesus does not need us to defend him or his mother or his Bride, Dnelson will simply die out into the shadows were he can yell at the walls and the wind. The bible also states to stay away from these kinds of people. My brother and sisters, Stay away from this thread. Stay away from Dnelson, let this thread die. do not post no matter how maddening he maybe. let him think he is right and that he has won. because all he will hear from our lord is, “I never knew you”. And his justice is far better then any one else’s.

The problem with that approach is that , as with most groups, the majortiy of people are lurkers. if you dont refute what is posted people wonder if perhaps the poster has a point.

 

[greggy53]

The problem with that approach is that , as with most groups, the majortiy of people are lurkers. if you dont refute what is posted people wonder if perhaps the poster has a point.

Also, you gotta ask yourself the question. Why is this person hanging our here? . It has been my observation that these folks have been told that Catholics don’t really know what they believe, or why. They have been told that we have been forbidden to read the scriptures, so we don’t have a clue as to what the bible say or not. Why do they want to hang out here? maybe they will give a us straight answer, but probably not. What say you SDA?

 

[estesbob]

Also, you gotta ask yourself the question. Why is this person hanging our here? . It has been my observation that these folks have been told that Catholics don’t really know what they believe, or why. They have been told that we have been forbidden to read the scriptures, so we don’t have a clue as to what the bible say or not. Why do they want to hang out here? maybe they will give a us straight answer, but probably not. What say you SDA?

I believe he said that up front-that most catholics dont know what they believe.

In my experience SDA’s are obsessed with Marian Doctrines and Sunday Worship. one of the funnier things i have run across is their contention that the numerical valuer of Popes Title adds up to 666. The problem is that they represent his title as “vicar of the son of God” instead of “Vicar of Christ”. OTH if you take Ellen Whites full name it does add up to 666!

 

[Dchsknight]

The problem with that approach is that , as with most groups, the majortiy of people are lurkers. if you dont refute what is posted people wonder if perhaps the poster has a point.

The major problem is, We already have refuted. Dnelson is simply spewing out false rhetoric and lies which we have all dunked. He has shown time and time again that he will not answer and will not Search out the truth. So why should we waste our precious time on him?

 

[greggy53]

The major problem is, We already have refuted. Dnelson is simply spewing out false rhetoric and lies which we have all dunked. He has shown time and time again that he will not answer and will not Search out the truth. So why should we waste our precious time on him?

Well, perhaps we may sow some seeds of doubt. Perhaps he’ll start asking his leaders some questions. Perhaps…

 

[jmcrae]

I dont know were you find that the Lords day is Sunday. the words first day is only found 7 times in the bible if i am not mistaken. please tell me witch one of then say that the first day is Sunday. look it up and get back to me.

In Genesis (which was written by Moses) we find that God rested on the seventh day. In the commandments given by that same Moses who wrote the Book of Genesis, we find the Jews being commanded to rest on the seventh day and observe it as a Sabbath - this, as you already know, is Saturday. If Saturday is the seventh day, this means that Sunday is the first day (since there are only seven days in the week).

Simple, logical deduction, here.

 

[Dchsknight]

Well, perhaps we may sow some seeds of doubt. Perhaps he’ll start asking his leaders some questions. Perhaps…

Yes that is true. But there comes a point when it is not worth it anymore. even Jesus came to a point with his ministries. When Nazareth his home town turned on him he walked away.

 

[dnelson001]

I’d be happy to only if you can give me the correct anwser to my question.

What does the bible say is the pillar and foundation of the truth?

1 timothy 3:15. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The church of course is the pillar and foundation of the truth. What did you thing I would say?
Of course now this raises another question. What church? Lets see if the bible points us in the right direction…

Before the death of Jesus:

Mark 6:2. And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

Luke 4:16. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luke 4:31. And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

Luke 6:6. And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.

Luke 13:10 - 12.
10: And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
11: And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.
12: And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus:

Luke 23:56. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Acts 13:14. But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 13:42. And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21.
20: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21: For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13. And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2. And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Tell me SimonArizona, what day are they worshipping on? come on, you can do it.

The answer is the church that keeps the Sabbath day.
I have given you quite a few verses that let you know what the bible says. And this is just in the New Testament.
So here is your little verse that you was looking for. So now please tell me what it means?
Please give me 2 text that say that we should worship on Sunday? Or that Jesus said that we should worship on Sunday? If you are right you should be able to find many more that what I found.

So now can you please give me the catholic bible version and year that you have. If that is true then i will have to stop saying that the second commandment is deleted in exodus 20:4-6 that say:

6:Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6: And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

So please give me what you promise me and now you answer the question:
What does the bible say is the pillar and foundation of the truth? and when you answer that specify which one please.

Thank you very much for your question. And God bless you.

 

[estesbob]

So now can you please give me the catholic bible version and year that you have. If that is true then i will have to stop saying that the second commandment is deleted in exodus 20:4-6 that say:

Oh my-we’re pulling out all the stops now. There is the version of theten commandments I am sure you beleive is correct:

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   *]You shall have no other gods but me.
   *]You shall not make unto you any graven images
   *]You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
   *]You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
   *]Honor your mother and father
   *]You shall not murder
   *]You shall not commit adultery
   *]You shall not steal
   *]You shall not bear false witness
   *]You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
   
   And here is the cathiolic/Lutheran Version:
   1. 
      *]I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me. You shall not make unto you any graven images
      *]You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
      *]Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day
      *]Honor your father and your mother
      *]You shall not kill
      *]You shall not commit adultery
      *]You shall not steal
      *]You shall not bear false witness
      *]You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife
      *]You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods
      
      Now if we use you rationale you have deleted the ninth commandment!
      
      Of course its all nonsense because there were no numbers given OR verses given when Scripture was written. In fact the commandment are the same-Catholics combine 1 & 2 , Protestant combine 9&10.
      
      You have been shown that Sunday was celebretaed as the Sabbath almost from the day Christ ascended to heaven-your only rebuttal is to claim superior interpreation skills and claim that there is no record of Christians celebrating Sabbath on Saturday becuase Christians who clebretated the Sabbath on saturday were murdered by those who did it on Sunday.