Can I still buy Girl Scout Cookies? =/

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RosaryFan said:
I consider it a compromise. I won’t even let my daughter join Girl Scouts. If GSA is supporting the abortion industry, my daughter is not donning their emblem. Now everyone jump down my throat for that. Go ahead.
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No, and when I said that your arguments were not persuasive because your rhetoric lacked a loving tone I was not talking about myself, I was talking about the people you hope to persuade, meaning the mothers.
You will persuade no one, so I don’t understand what your true agenda is. You take umbrage because of how you feel that you’re treated here on a forum, don’t you think that the mothers will feel the same way if you approach them as I have approached you?
If you won’t let your daughter join the Girl Scouts I hope that you’re providing her some group where she can learn both the practical skills and the socialization skills that the Girl Scouts teach their members.
And to Julianna, thank you for the work that you do on behalf of all girls, not just your own.
Being a Scout leader is a very hard, time consuming, expensive job! I salute you!
 
Just a general thing I like to point out in the boycott threads…

First, I would say upfront that I’m all about defunding Planned Parenthood any way we can. I am grateful that the guy at LDI (and it is just one guy mainly) takes the time to research and publish the list of PP supporters. It’s a full-time apostolate and it does have an impact. If anyone wants to utilize the boycott list in making a “do not shop” list of products and retailers, I would support them in that decision.

However, I do not think that such boycotts are morally obligatory for all Catholics, at least not in many circumstances. At best, buying from a company that gives money to PP would be remote material cooperation with evil (from a moral theology standpoint), which is justifiable provided that the intent in making those purchases is not to support child-killing.

If I were going to go the boycott route, I would want to go all the way. I wouldn’t want to simply rely on this or that retailer or product that happens to catch a few news stories in the Catholic blogosphere. I would want a complete list and I would want to know that it was current and based on reliable, accurate information.

I think we can drive ourselves crazy if we really try to make sure that not a single cent of ours ever goes towards a cause we find immoral. It’s an impossible task. Or maybe I’m just not intelligent enough to pull it off. :o
 
Julianna said:
I know what you meant and I know you meant that buying Girl Scout cookies was indirectly supporting PP. I got that.🤷
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Speaking only for myslef one will have to pry my Thin Mints from my cold dead hands…🙂
 
RosaryFan said:
Buying Girl Scout cookies and Starbucks coffee, for example, is supporting an organization that supports the abortion industry. You can ease your conscience any way you see fit with all your meager defenses, but you certainly aren’t going to convince me that it’s okay to patronize a company that gives money to the abortion industry.
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There’s material and formal cooperation, and we must keep that in mind. IF you wish to boycott all the hundreds of business and industries that in one way or another, kudos. But please don’t suggest that not doing as you do isn’t “okay” i.e. morally acceptable. We need to pick our battles. I’d rather spend time helping to feed the homeless than researching the distant material cooperation that one might have by buying a box of cookies. To each his or her own. 🙂
RosaryFan said:
I consider it a compromise. I won’t even let my daughter join Girl Scouts. If GSA is supporting the abortion industry, my daughter is not donning their emblem. Now everyone jump down my throat for that. Go ahead.
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Wow. You need to chill out; methinks you’re taking the responses the wrong way. Your avoidance of eveything GSA is commendable. But there are those who see good in the GSA, maybe even by participating they may be trying to change GSA for the better. We pick our battle and how we participate in them.
estesbob said:
Speaking only for myslef one will have to pry my Thin Mints from my cold dead hands…🙂
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…and the Samoas from mine. 😃
 
RosaryFan said:
You said you didn’t believe that GSA supports Planned Parenthood. I don’t particularly care about winning you over. I simply said “do the research”. Unfortunately, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve researched it and found that GSA is associated with Planned Parenthood and other forms of radical feminism. Do you want me to do the research for you? Is that it? Don’t be afraid of what you’ll find. Google it. You’ll see…
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Actually, I covered that on page 1 of this thread

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7593977&postcount=12

The new " Journeys" program direct the girls to Planned Parenthood sponsored sites, as well as promote plays than denigrate marriage and supports masterbation ( to 5th grade girls).

And they made this junk mandatory if a Cadette desires to get her Bronze, Silver or Gold awards.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Just a general thing I like to point out in the boycott threads…

First, I would say upfront that I’m all about defunding Planned Parenthood any way we can. I am grateful that the guy at LDI (and it is just one guy mainly) takes the time to research and publish the list of PP supporters. It’s a full-time apostolate and it does have an impact. If anyone wants to utilize the boycott list in making a “do not shop” list of products and retailers, I would support them in that decision.

However, I do not think that such boycotts are morally obligatory for all Catholics, at least not in many circumstances. At best, buying from a company that gives money to PP would be remote material cooperation with evil (from a moral theology standpoint), which is justifiable provided that the intent in making those purchases is not to support child-killing.

If I were going to go the boycott route, I would want to go all the way. I wouldn’t want to simply rely on this or that retailer or product that happens to catch a few news stories in the Catholic blogosphere. I would want a complete list and I would want to know that it was current and based on reliable, accurate information.

I think we can drive ourselves crazy if we really try to make sure that not a single cent of ours ever goes towards a cause we find immoral. It’s an impossible task. Or maybe I’m just not intelligent enough to pull it off. :o
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When you KNOW that 40% of the money goes to the National and that the National advocates for PP and other “sexual” rights then IMHO you are supporting the agenda that the National supports.
 
Newbie2 said:
IF you wish to boycott all the hundreds of business and industries that in one way or another, kudos. But please don’t suggest that not doing as you do isn’t “okay” i.e. morally acceptable.
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Just trying to answer the OP’s question and fending off accusations, that’s all.
 
KathleenElsie said:
When you KNOW that 40% of the money goes to the National and that the National advocates for PP and other “sexual” rights then IMHO you are supporting the agenda that the National supports.
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Exactly.

Far more money goes to National and it’s advocatcy of PP than the girls who are selling it get.

As for me, my wife and a few other mothers started up an American Heritage Girls troop at a local parish. It’s 100% Christian focused. They are modeled closely on the Boy Scouts, with more of the personal skills development (like the Boy Scouts) than the ‘feel good’ stuff from the GSA.
 
beafedor said:
Some of us need to be educated about Planned Parenthood. I advise people to check out your local PP center’s website, see how many services they offer under “Abortion Services” and compare with what they offer under “Womens Health Services”. Also check out their last national financial report to see how they make money.
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Thank you! I have done just that, and remain a support of Planned Parenthood. Just keep in mind, that some people just don’t get it, and like to just give the “sound bites”.
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And I buy Girl Scout cookies!!!
 
I am legitimately confused by this entire thread. First of all, I am very pro-life. I would never directly support PP. That being said, it was my understanding that if an organization made generally morally good or morally neutral products/services it was ok to support them even if they may support some immoral causes as long as your investment/purchase/support was not because of or in direct support of the immoral causes. Every major department store, drug store, and grocery store hasartificial birth control. It’s ok to shop there despite the fact that you are supporting an organization selling ABC since you’re not shopping there to support that aspect and the majority of their business is selling morally neutral products. I do not know enough about Girl Scouts, but on the surface I would say they are a mostly morally good/neutral service. If you buy the cookies, you are buying them because you enjoy the cookies or maybe because you like the good the organization does, but not because of the support of PP. If you are buying because they support PP then it’s a whole different issue.
 
newbie9 said:
I am legitimately confused by this entire thread. First of all, I am very pro-life. I would never directly support PP. That being said, it was my understanding that if an organization made generally morally good or morally neutral products/services it was ok to support them even if they may support some immoral causes as long as your investment/purchase/support was not because of or in direct support of the immoral causes. Every major department store, drug store, and grocery store hasartificial birth control. It’s ok to shop there despite the fact that you are supporting an organization selling ABC since you’re not shopping there to support that aspect and the majority of their business is selling morally neutral products. I do not know enough about Girl Scouts, but on the surface I would say they are a mostly morally good/neutral service. If you buy the cookies, you are buying them because you enjoy the cookies or maybe because you like the good the organization does, but not because of the support of PP. If you are buying because they support PP then it’s a whole different issue.
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If that is your thoughts on the matter, I would encourage you to ignore the thread as it seems you already have things in the proper perspective. 👍
 
newbie9 said:
I am legitimately confused by this entire thread. First of all, I am very pro-life. I would never directly support PP. That being said, it was my understanding that if an organization made generally morally good or morally neutral products/services it was ok to support them even if they may support some immoral causes as long as your investment/purchase/support was not because of or in direct support of the immoral causes. .
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What you are referring to is material vs formal cooperation.

If the intent is to buy cookies (the product being sold) , then you are correct, that is material cooperation. If the intent is to actually support the organization, then it becomes formal cooperation, and that morally wrong when the positions held by the organization are contrary to the teachings of the church.

Besides you can get cookies elsewhere 😉
 
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