Does this mean that the Catholic church does not have anything more on the teachings of the Lord Jesus than what is contained in the Gospels?
I just realized this stuff is off topic and my “friends” are going to nail me for derailing the topic. Good discussion though…
I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. Apostolic Tradition is the preaching of Christ or the Apostles. Each individual document which transmits Tradition is not necessarily itself a part of Tradition. For instance, if I write a religious textbook about Tradition in 2008, my textbook itself doesn’t become part of Tradition, it simply transmits existing Tradition. So the Didache wouldn’t need to have been written by an Apostle in order to contain a teaching of Tradition, any more than an internet post would need to be written by an inspired writer in order to contain a Bible quote. It isn’t necessary for the Didache itself to be part of Tradition for the Didache to show us what the Apostles taught as Tradition.
Good point and we can come back to this later on another thread. What is your earliest Tradition that says that Mary is sinless and intercedes for you?
It’s beyond the scope of my limited knowledge to cite something extra-biblical specifically taught by Jesus, as opposed to something extra-biblical specifically taught by the Apostles. It’s easier to cite things which must have come from the Apostles rather than from Jesus, because some parts of Apostolic Traidition couldn’t logically have been taught by Jesus — for instance, Mary’s Assumption would have occurred years after Jesus had already ascended back to heaven, so logically it must have been taught not by Jesus but by the Apostles. Or the authorship of Mark’s Gospel – since it was written after Jesus’ resurrection, its authorship wouldn’t have been taught by Jesus, but by the Apostles.
Yeah, it should have been its own thread, but it’s too late now. Oh, well, what’re you gonna do.I just realized this stuff is off topic and my “friends” are going to nail me for derailing the topic. Good discussion though…
The Catacombs of Rome.
Why would you accept something written on a wall by someone unknown as a valid Tradition?
Hi JA4 :tiphat:
Thanks.
Just because I don’t know their names doesn’t mean they are “unknown”. I know they were Christians, and that they were worshipping there with the Apostles during the 60s and 70s AD.
More to the point, the authorship of a particular catacomb writing is not dispositive if it is merely transmitting Tradition. Authorship would be dispositive only if the writing were considered a source of Tradition.
Excellent point!
How do you know its a Tradition and not just the opinion or belief of someone?
All you are doing is asserting that she is sinless and she does intercede of all of us without dealing with the problems with it.Hi JA4 :tiphat:
How’s the family? Thanks for the link JA4! We can just do away with the real church and go to reluctant-messenger when we need to learn about the faith!
Do they supply you with the questions you always ask? Did your jello on the wall theology came from them? Can they identify all of you in a line-up? Are they part of Sacred tradition in your church? Do you have pews? What day do you have services? Why do you ask questions that have nothing to do with the OP?
I already told you the procedure to get Sacred Tradition, bot Written and Oral, but still you attempt to get us to give it to you rather than contacting the Pope! Shame on you! :tsktsk: Do it the correct way! E-mail the Pope with your requests and keep on the OP here.
Yes, she can be sinless and she does intercede of all of us!
One relatively objective way is by how widespread the teaching was early in Christendom. The more widespread it was, the easier it is to conclude that it must have been taught by the Apostles.
I should have thought of this earlier:
The Scriptures are the only writings and teachings we have of the Apostles and they never mention it.
Perhaps you think that by continually repeating this like a mantra, it will some day become true.
Huh???Originally Posted by justasking4
The Scriptures are the only writings and teachings we have of the Apostles and they never mention it.
jmcrae
Perhaps you think that by continually repeating this like a mantra, it will some day become true.
All i’m asking is a writing outside of Scripture that was supposedly written by any of the Apostles. If you can produce such a document i can’t stop using my “mantra”… No, no, no - they had teachings (not writings) that never got written down - which we still have. They weren’t sitting at their desks writing all day. They were preaching at Mass, teaching classes, celebrating the Sacraments, etc. Not doing a whole lot of writing.Huh???
I understand that the apostles did teach and wrote things we don’t have to today. Those things we know they wrote is what we call the NT. Now you are claiming to know something about their writings not found in the NT. I’m asking you a specific question-- what exactly are these things that were never written down that you claim to know?
They’re the teachings of the Catholic Church.