Can Mary be Sinless and Intercede for you?

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justasking4 said:
This is not true. Jesus did not take death away but “tasted death” for everyone. Hebrews 2:9. The total defeat of death will not happen until He comes again. In the meantime we do expierence physical death and are deeply impacted by it when it happens.

On what basis do you claim to have power in the next world or that a deceased saint does to impact this world?
Angels do have power to interact with this world when God allows it.

I did not claim that all things true are written in the Bible. What am saying is that the claim that Mary is without sin and can intercede for you is not found or grounded in the Scriptures. It is not an apostolic doctrine since it was never taught by them.

I do believe in these things. What i don’t believe that a prayer to a creature other than God is something a Christian is to do.

I agree

What do you when you go to funerals?

I to believe i will see my loved ones who believed in Christ. I don’t think this will be true of those that have rejected Him.

You can believe this but you cannot ground this in Scripture. You must believe this on other grounds i.e. what your church says. However, when we look at their grounds for teaching these things they won’t be able to ground it in Scripture. Without the Scriptures you don’t have an apostolic foundation.
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No I am sorry we don’t need the scriptures. All we need is the Church. The Church is the scriptures the Living Christ. I am not saying that we don’t obey and believe the scriptures but they are not enough. The bible is not God and not the fullness of God’s teachings. The CHurch is. As I told you long ago Saul was told when he was persecuting the Church, Saul why are you persecuting ME. Saul was persecuting the Church (ME)= Jesus Christ. You cannot separate Jesus from his Church, no matter how you try. And to say that the bible is the Living Christ is not true. The bible is the words of Christ, But the Church is the LIving Christ on this earth. Until he comes again. He promised us that.
 
Why do we go to funerals. So we can say goodbye to our loved ones until we meet again. So when they are in Church they get the last anointing. Until they meet Christ again in the flesh. The Lord say’s My house has many mansions. And I have set one aside for you. Jesus comes back to take us to that home. No eye has seen, no hear has heard, what God has ready for those who love him. Our loved ones are with Christ, they are considered now asleep in Christ. Not dead. There is no death. Yes our Brothers and Sisters asleep in Christ will walk this earth again, But not until the end of the world. For now they are in the spiritual world Asleep with Christ. They met Christ the day they left this world. Face to Face and answered for their sins. And that is why we pray for them and they pray for us that we may all meet again. But they are not dead. Jesus tells us do not be afraid of death. I have taken away death. The devil has lost, he has no hold on us.
 
rinnie said:
yeshualuver. If Mary was not the Mother of God who was she? Why are we told that she is the Blessed One. The one who has found favor with God. The one God picked to be the Mother of Jesus. Is not Jesus also God. If Mary was a vessel are we not vessels. For Mary was Human. We are not saying she was not human. But Mary was chosen and given special Grace the moment she was conceived in Anna’s womb. Anna and her husband gave up Mary to God. Anna’s husband went out to the desert for 40 days and fasted just like Abraham. And Anna was also praying and asking for a child. He came back from the desert and Mary was conceived. You think thats just dumb luck. I don’t think so. It was what God choose. Not us God.
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This is the first I have heard about this account. Thank you for sharing!
rinnie said:
Why do we go to funerals. So we can say goodbye to our loved ones until we meet again. So when they are in Church they get the last anointing. Until they meet Christ again in the flesh. The Lord say’s My house has many mansions. And I have set one aside for you. Jesus comes back to take us to that home. No eye has seen, no hear has heard, what God has ready for those who love him. Our loved ones are with Christ, they are considered now asleep in Christ. Not dead. There is no death. Yes our Brothers and Sisters asleep in Christ will walk this earth again, But not until the end of the world. For now they are in the spiritual world Asleep with Christ. They met Christ the day they left this world. Face to Face and answered for their sins. And that is why we pray for them and they pray for us that we may all meet again. But they are not dead. Jesus tells us do not be afraid of death. I have taken away death. The devil has lost, he has no hold on us.
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Don’t forget, we also go to funerals in the Catholic Church (and I suppose the Orthodox do this as well), so we can pray for the dead and so the priest can offer up prayers and that service for the departed. The deceased will never be able to gnaw on Jesus again and will need our help more than ever.

In Protestant Churches, it is still a way to say goodbye, and we who know always say prayers for them, even moreso…but, this is offtopic…
 
justasking4 said:
This is not true. Jesus did not take death away but “tasted death” for everyone. Hebrews 2:9. The total defeat of death will not happen until He comes again. In the meantime we do expierence physical death and are deeply impacted by it when it happens.
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Excuse me… Jesus only “tasted death” for everyone!!! :confused:

Last I knew, Jesus conquered death. He defeated death. He rose again and offers our restoration to ETERNAL LIFE with Him.
 
Here is something I would like to share with some of you that I thinks kind of awesome. Anna and her husband could not have children. Now they were very good righteous People respected in the community. Anna’s husband gave much to the Church (temple back then I think) But anyway here is what I thinks pretty neat.

You could kind of compare Mary’s dad to Job. Alway’s faithful never questioning God. But he went to the desert like Abraham and asked God to give him this blessing. Now him and his wife both agreed to give this child as a sacrifice to God to do as he pleased. Now here is the pretty neat part, think about it Mary was born already Chosen by God. Now instead of God using Mary as a sacrifice it was indeed his own son and her only Son that was used as a sacrifice. Look again how it ties into Abraham and his son again. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, but at the last minute did not. But did sacrifice his own son. And look how Anna was too old to have a child and did. How it all ties in together. I just think that when it is the truth it fits all the way around. I know I talk fast and this may take probally 5 times to read and understand. But when you do I think my point is awesome.
 
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This is not true. Jesus did not take death away but “tasted death” for everyone. Hebrews 2:9. The total defeat of death will not happen until He comes again. In the meantime we do expierence physical death and are deeply impacted by it when it happens.
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AshleyBelle
Excuse me… Jesus only “tasted death” for everyone!!! :confused:
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Yes. Hebrews 2:9—But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, **so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. **
Last I knew, Jesus conquered death. He defeated death. He rose again and offers our restoration to ETERNAL LIFE with Him.
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True. However we suffer death until He comes again and then the final defeat of death will occur.
 
justasking4 said:
Yes. Hebrews 2:9—But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, **so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. **

True. However we suffer death until He comes again and then the final defeat of death will occur.
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Great! Thanks for clarifying what that passage really means, and what Christ really did for me.

And to think…all this time I thought the Catholic church had more truth that justasking4!

I’m sorry if I seem too sarcastic tonight… It’s just that the overlying THEME of everything in these threads lately, is “Poster so and so knows the REAL truth!” But I have yet to see a single reason to follow anybody’s truth here except the truth established, preserved, and revealed through the Catholic Church.
 
rinnie said:
No I am sorry we don’t need the scriptures. All we need is the Church. The Church is the scriptures the Living Christ. I am not saying that we don’t obey and believe the scriptures but they are not enough. The bible is not God and not the fullness of God’s teachings. The CHurch is. As I told you long ago Saul was told when he was persecuting the Church, Saul why are you persecuting ME. Saul was persecuting the Church (ME)= Jesus Christ. You cannot separate Jesus from his Church, no matter how you try. And to say that the bible is the Living Christ is not true. The bible is the words of Christ, But the Church is the LIving Christ on this earth. Until he comes again. He promised us that.
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Without the Scriptures you do not have a church based on Christ. Only the Scriptures are inspired-inerrant and the church is to ground all its doctrines in them…

How do you determine if your church is teaching truth from error without the Scriptures?
 
justasking4 said:
Yes. Hebrews 2:9—But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
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“might”?
 
justasking4 said:
Without the Scriptures you do not have a church based on Christ. Only the Scriptures are inspired-inerrant and the church is to ground all its doctrines in them…

How do you determine if your church is teaching truth from error without the Scriptures?
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I guess the same way you have your scriptures through apostolic teaching and from the church. Without MY Church as you put it there would be no scriptures.
 
rinnie said:
I guess the same way you have your scriptures through apostolic teaching and from the church. Without MY Church as you put it there would be no scriptures.
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What about the OT Scriptures which predate the Catholic church?
 
justasking4 said:
What about the OT Scriptures which predate the Catholic church?
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There were several OT canons floating around; the Israelites didn’t have a “Bible” in the sense that we understand that term. There were several Scriptoria around, with varying numbers of books in them. The ones used by Jesus and the Apostles contained the 46 books that continue to be used by the Catholic Church until today.
 
justasking4 said:
What about the OT Scriptures which predate the Catholic church?
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It’s a question of how the Old Testament texts should be understood in light of Apostolic Tradition. The Jews still contend that the Church has distorted the prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah, for instance. The Jews reject what the Church regards as secondary fulfillments of these prophecies with respect to a divine Messiah. Nor do they see any prefigurements of Christ in such persons as Isaac and David, not to mention any typology between Mary and Sarah and the Jewish heroines.

PAX :tiphat:
 
jmcrae said:
There were several OT canons floating around; the Israelites didn’t have a “Bible” in the sense that we understand that term. There were several Scriptoria around, with varying numbers of books in them. The ones used by Jesus and the Apostles contained the 46 books that continue to be used by the Catholic Church until today.
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Was there not a wide agreement by the Jews what were the inspired OT books for the most part?
 
justasking4 said:
Was there not a wide agreement by the Jews what were the inspired OT books for the most part?
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There were two canons; the Temple canon of five books of Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) which was considered by the Sadducees to be “God-breathed” and then there was the canon of the Pharisees, which was used in the Synagogues - the 46-book canon that we find in our Catholic Bibles.

Later on, in the second century AD, there were other canons also appearing, including the 39-book Palestinian canon that is familiar to most Protestants.
 
AshleyBelle said:
Excuse me… Jesus only “tasted death” for everyone!!! :confused:

Last I knew, Jesus conquered death. He defeated death. He rose again and offers our restoration to ETERNAL LIFE with Him.
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Yes, that is what “tasted death FOR EVERYONE” means.
 
Yeshualuver said:
God promised Eve that her “seed” would conquer the enemy. But women don’t have seed, men do. So, it is through men that the sin of Adam is passed, not women.
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That third sentence (even assuming that it’s true) does nothing to reconcile the first 2 sentences. If women don’t have “seed”, how could God promise Eve that her “seed” would conquer the enemy?
 
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