Can music exist outside of time?

[John_Russell_Jr]

Just wondering , , , how can we measure time in purgatory but not heaven, hell, and. . .
um. . . limbo???

Btw, hope your time having the flu is short, as time goes here on earth.
Blessings!

My dear friend ,

From my sick bed I’ll tell you quickly. In purgatory you can measure change and thus have a concept of time based on the lessening of suffering as you go through your purgation , this is evidenced by many revelations of holy souls saying for instance they were in purgatory for 20 ys and finding out it was 1 day , time goes very slowly there and to measure time based on experience here , 1 day may seem like 20 yrs. In hell there is change but the torturous existence is so furiously bad and the damned so insane they cannot measure change and have any concept of time at all , and time goes slowly when your having bad times , in hell it’s so bad time disappears. In limbo which is the state of perfect natural happiness one attains after purgatory and from which one immediately pops into heaven having reached you cannot measure change and have a concept of time because you are just pefectly happy and have no way to measure change there. In heaven you cannot measure the change or have a concept of time because it is like the most beautifully ecstatic blissful day dream , and time flies when your having fun , in heaven it flies so much time disappears. Hope this answers your question.

God bless and Love you

John

 

[4Horsemen]

My dear friend ,

From my sick bed I’ll tell you quickly. In purgatory you can measure change and thus have a concept of time based on the lessening of suffering as you go through your purgation , this is evidenced by many revelations of holy souls saying for instance they were in purgatory for 20 ys and finding out it was 1 day , time goes very slowly there and to measure time based on experience here , 1 day may seem like 20 yrs. In hell there is change but the torturous existence is so furiously bad and the damned so insane they cannot measure change and have any concept of time at all , and time goes slowly when your having bad times , in hell it’s so bad time disappears. In limbo which is the state of perfect natural happiness one attains after purgatory and from which one immediately pops into heaven having reached you cannot measure change and have a concept of time because you are just pefectly happy and have no way to measure change there. In heaven you cannot measure the change or have a concept of time because it is like the most beautifully ecstatic blissful day dream , and time flies when your having fun , in heaven it flies so much time disappears. Hope this answers your question.

God bless and Love you

John

Hope you are much better today, John. I have a question concerning what you said about Limbo. Just wondering where you heard or read that after Purgatory “one immediately pops into heaven.” Why would God bother with a quick tour of Limbo? I think that the idea of Limbo was conceived by the Church as a place for innocent, unbaptized babies and little children, but I think it’s been discredited.

God bless you with love in Christ,
4H

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

Hope you are much better today, John. I have a question concerning what you said about Limbo. Just wondering where you heard or read that after Purgatory “one immediately pops into heaven.” Why would God bother with a quick tour of Limbo? I think that the idea of Limbo was conceived by the Church as a place for innocent, unbaptized babies and little children, but I think it’s been discredited.

God bless you with love in Christ,
4H

My dear friend ,

I’m feeling ok , need a break though. I’ll live , only flu.

I call limbo that state where one has completed purgatory and had the imperfect love in one purified so it is perfect and limbo is the state then of having been made perfect just before you pop into heaven. I see hell sort of down the bottom of the equilibrium of God which is also Gods will if you like , the equilibrium burns the damned with spiritual fire trying to force them to do Gods will which is love but they have no love in them so are stuck in this state , but it can change I’m sure, and will eventually. There are many pains in hell of course though. The equilibrium of God searches you to see if you have love when you leave this world – no love you are in hell , imperfect love and it burns you with spiritual fire to perfect that love , you then hit limbo just before heaven. If you have perfect love you go straight to heaven and the equilibrium is there too , giving you a feeling of reassurance as it moves you to do Gods will and adds to your bliss. That’s it in brief. My understanding is a little different to what you mention, you might see. Hope this helps.

God bless and Love you

John

 

[FurtherSuntime]

It really is amazing how each individual structures up a solution to fit into the understanding of…
Heaven, Purgatory, Limbo and of course sadly with all of it the dreaded H word.

God of course our loving God would need to comprehend all of these locals including Gods comprehension and construction of H itself. How can this be I wonder? How can the all giving suddenly become ALL Evil. We know that God would be All composed at whatever he or she
was at, so then…there would be an All Evil required in order to manufacture H itself.

I wonder if this means that God actually created evil…how could he not in this outlay of rational
allocation in creation…We must swallow, God created evil, God created H. A most versatile God indeed.

For the thinkers only, my opinion is best served with an example…We know God is All Loving therefore we can easily install All giving …I use that word because unfortunately the words themselves are “used” so much that people quickly forget the meaning of words being used.

Now…our example:

Imagine a rolling wheel…a rolling wheel with the endless ability to roll. A circular in path which can do nothing but continue in …yes, infinity.

In order to suggest, God made evil, or…God not only constructing H, but also infinitely comprehending H…

How, are we “not” asking the rolling wheel in loving-giving…to in fact change directions…?

We are…we are applying a non-God to God himself. In order to change directions in nature God from all giving, there would be a requirement The God-Wheel loving would need to
in fact have a moment of non-movement before changing directions in the creation of an
ultimate eternal Horror chamber.

Further, its really ridiculous when we become entirely disgusted beyond words when an international madman is learned to have a torture chamber in his palace. Is this someones God I wonder, a madman …its all so ridiculous.

I think if anything Christianity is a wake up call with respects to…respect for life. Many Papal
formal literature in the sanctity of life itself is really the chief target. My point is, Christianity is
what…common sense in living a full life. A full life “demands” the outright existence of…ill-will
Does it not…? Peace, again…another word thats tossed around so much the meaning is lost.
Calm in the hopeful expectations of humanity as reflected and offered to individuals. Peace
Peace equals common sense.
Common sense equals what may I ask?..Using our brains !
All God wants us to do in all of it is…use our brains.If we use our brains we will quickly be able to form little examples similar to the rolling wheel used above.
Many believe that there God has a choice, a choice as they have a choice…God may not have a choice and can only be what He Is. All Giving.
It may be complained that God is All Knowing, and an attempt to clutter above perfect reasoning would be attempted.
Fortunately I have thought this out and there is no use in obstructing what…makes sense.
God would be All Knowing…although we have a condition don’t we…?
We have already identified God as All Loving…THEREFORE…

GOD CAN ONLY BE…ALL KNOWING …IN…THE ALL LOVING.

God does NOT comprehend evil nor…CONTRIBUTE TO IT !!!

Another example which firms up above:

Anyone ever try to explain and actually have success in a child’s comprehension of a wicked act…? A child does not understand in the innocence of its existence. It cannot be done in spite of the fact that no one would really want defile the pureness of such a toddler!!!

Yet…when it comes to GOD!!! oh no…no problem God is not innocent is he? No not at all
God knows all the insides and outs of evil…every last disgusting deatal…why…he created it and then hell to deal with it…we will have in conforming frame and completly build this lovely sanctuary of horror. Yes , yes indeed we shall have our revenge in the end…God shall chop up the remains of your unworthy soul for an eternity… Yes, I feel much better now says the vengeful soul. I can live with that…that will be good and I shall look forward to weekends spent in heavenly bliss witnessing my innocence defended in outright madness. As it is only madness which is responsible for infractions dealt to myself in earthly existence by the lowly ones…Off with their heads.

Its measure in quality with respects to the final soul. Not measure in contrast to black and white.
Here are my bad deeds …here are my good deeds at the Table of God…? How ridiculous.
Measure in Souls trueness. Thats all there is. Measure in proportion realized through proportioned self understanding in continuance. Nothing else will fit, with God is love.

 

[FurtherSuntime]

Just before I forget…

If a person goes out and causes intentionally an evil crime and hurts people what is in event relative to his-her soul…believe it or not I really don’t think many here in this forum can answer the question.

Nothing happens to his soul and I will prove it…(i’d like to see that says the skeptic)
Don’t worry

The soul has a measure of quality. The only item which God would be able to comprehend.
The “act” is only a demonstration physically of the lack of true quality in the soul…
Gods ability in sending grace would only “know of the need” Knowing only IN the All Loving.
The act, is only a representation of the already low value in the soul. An act which pleads to his fellow man for justice. A circumstance in the collective interest in the flourish of humanity…of course Gods Will

In evidence…“A man sins in his heart once lustfully engaged” entertaining a gorgeous babe in fanciful delight for nothing but the conquer in challenge to a girls vitality. A negative ill-will toward another. That is the infraction…ill-will toward another and self for reducing the self to
the material alone in an overwhelming sexual manner, as the pro creative aspects of man are over whelming in nature.

It is the value of the soul in sanctity. Not the measure of defilement. A soul cannot become defiled. Only “less” Less in union with God. You guys have got a theme going on the devil.
All it does is distract and give propaganda to nothingness. Although, it may not represent nothingness depending on origin of…viewpoint. Yes we must become as children to enter the kingdom…no comprehensible ability to the negative…evil.

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

It really is amazing how each individual structures up a solution to fit into the understanding of…
Heaven, Purgatory, Limbo and of course sadly with all of it the dreaded H word.

God of course our loving God would need to comprehend all of these locals including Gods comprehension and construction of H itself. How can this be I wonder? How can the all giving suddenly become ALL Evil. We know that God would be All composed at whatever he or she
was at, so then…there would be an All Evil required in order to manufacture H itself.

I wonder if this means that God actually created evil…how could he not in this outlay of rational
allocation in creation…We must swallow, God created evil, God created H. A most versatile God indeed.

For the thinkers only, my opinion is best served with an example…We know God is All Loving therefore we can easily install All giving …I use that word because unfortunately the words themselves are “used” so much that people quickly forget the meaning of words being used.

Now…our example:

Imagine a rolling wheel…a rolling wheel with the endless ability to roll. A circular in path which can do nothing but continue in …yes, infinity.

In order to suggest, God made evil, or…God not only constructing H, but also infinitely comprehending H…

How, are we “not” asking the rolling wheel in loving-giving…to in fact change directions…?

We are…we are applying a non-God to God himself. In order to change directions in nature God from all giving, there would be a requirement The God-Wheel loving would need to
in fact have a moment of non-movement before changing directions in the creation of an
ultimate eternal Horror chamber.

Further, its really ridiculous when we become entirely disgusted beyond words when an international madman is learned to have a torture chamber in his palace. Is this someones God I wonder, a madman …its all so ridiculous.

I think if anything Christianity is a wake up call with respects to…respect for life. Many Papal
formal literature in the sanctity of life itself is really the chief target. My point is, Christianity is
what…common sense in living a full life. A full life “demands” the outright existence of…ill-will
Does it not…? Peace, again…another word thats tossed around so much the meaning is lost.
Calm in the hopeful expectations of humanity as reflected and offered to individuals. Peace
Peace equals common sense.
Common sense equals what may I ask?..Using our brains !
All God wants us to do in all of it is…use our brains.If we use our brains we will quickly be able to form little examples similar to the rolling wheel used above.
Many believe that there God has a choice, a choice as they have a choice…God may not have a choice and can only be what He Is. All Giving.
It may be complained that God is All Knowing, and an attempt to clutter above perfect reasoning would be attempted.
Fortunately I have thought this out and there is no use in obstructing what…makes sense.
God would be All Knowing…although we have a condition don’t we…?
We have already identified God as All Loving…THEREFORE…

GOD CAN ONLY BE…ALL KNOWING …IN…THE ALL LOVING.

God does NOT comprehend evil nor…CONTRIBUTE TO IT !!!

Another example which firms up above:

Anyone ever try to explain and actually have success in a child’s comprehension of a wicked act…? A child does not understand in the innocence of its existence. It cannot be done in spite of the fact that no one would really want defile the pureness of such a toddler!!!

Yet…when it comes to GOD!!! oh no…no problem God is not innocent is he? No not at all
God knows all the insides and outs of evil…every last disgusting deatal…why…he created it and then hell to deal with it…we will have in conforming frame and completly build this lovely sanctuary of horror. Yes , yes indeed we shall have our revenge in the end…God shall chop up the remains of your unworthy soul for an eternity… Yes, I feel much better now says the vengeful soul. I can live with that…that will be good and I shall look forward to weekends spent in heavenly bliss witnessing my innocence defended in outright madness. As it is only madness which is responsible for infractions dealt to myself in earthly existence by the lowly ones…Off with their heads.

Its measure in quality with respects to the final soul. Not measure in contrast to black and white.
Here are my bad deeds …here are my good deeds at the Table of God…? How ridiculous.
Measure in Souls trueness. Thats all there is. Measure in proportion realized through proportioned self understanding in continuance. Nothing else will fit, with God is love.

My dear friend,

My own personal views follow , not church teaching. All this is a delusion. The loss of the garden of eden is the loss of reality. Everything is the opposite of reality here and now. God , demons , us and our whole world is a delusion and the opposite of reality. Only angels are in reality in their world from what I gather. God has all possible knowledge but cannot actually allow evil to exist , so He has cast demons , us and our whole world in this delusion to take care of the problem of evil. In the delusion evil can exist but it exists outsid of reality so is not really real. We all are going to get our reality back eventually. Heaven is actually the angels world ,it is only a temporary world for us. The garden of eden is our world and home base. We will spend eternities visiting infinite other worlds but here when our world is rebuilt and fixed to reality is our world. Hell , purgatory and limbo are a part of the delusion for now. All the bad and evil is a delusion and not real as said. We will get reality back. There’s an awful lot more to this but I’m very tired – beddy byes.

God bless and Love you

John

 

[FurtherSuntime]

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[FurtherSuntime]

My dear friend,

My own personal views follow , not church teaching. All this is a delusion. The loss of the garden of eden is the loss of reality. Everything is the opposite of reality here and now. God , demons , us and our whole world is a delusion and the opposite of reality. Only angels are in reality in their world from what I gather. God has all possible knowledge but cannot actually allow evil to exist , so He has cast demons , us and our whole world in this delusion to take care of the problem of evil. In the delusion evil can exist but it exists outsid of reality so is not really real. We all are going to get our reality back eventually. Heaven is actually the angels world ,it is only a temporary world for us. The garden of eden is our world and home base. We will spend eternities visiting infinite other worlds but here when our world is rebuilt and fixed to reality is our world. Hell , purgatory and limbo are a part of the delusion for now. All the bad and evil is a delusion and not real as said. We will get reality back. There’s an awful lot more to this but I’m very tired – beddy byes.

God bless and Love you

John

This idea cannot work. It denies the reality of a soul. Refreshment in prayer, ect. I believe it is
self contradictory. Even when translating another expression or word for the idea in"opposite to reality" I don’t think this is a positive approach.Helpless in human delusion , an unreal existence without a personal or otherwise God. Man with no soul.

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

This idea cannot work. It denies the reality of a soul. Refreshment in prayer, ect. I believe it is
self contradictory. Even when translating another expression or word for the idea in"opposite to reality" I don’t think this is a positive approach.Helpless in human delusion , an unreal existence without a personal or otherwise God. Man with no soul.

My dearest friend,

Your presumptions are wrong. You put words in my mouth hat aren’t there at all. I think you’ll find one day I’m actually right. it would take forever to explain here though.

God bless and Love you

John

 

[FurtherSuntime]

My dearest friend,

Your presumptions are wrong. You put words in my mouth hat aren’t there at all. I think you’ll find one day I’m actually right. it would take forever to explain here though.

God bless and Love you

John

I think my translation of your idea is on the money. Unless you bumbled it up…here are a few of your sentences…

“The loss of the garden of eden is the loss of reality. Everything is the opposite of reality here and now. God , demons , us and our whole world is a delusion and the opposite of reality”

Many more saying the same thing , all denying a reality to our existence. If theres no reality in YOUR EXISTENCE…then your soul is not a reality…plain and simple. And you cannot say prayers as you have no reality and therefore nothing spiritually real to pray with. So unless u bumbled up , I truly cannot see how theres a heck of allot more to this idea. Hope your feeling better with the flu…try raw lemon…heres why…
The reason your body heats up with temperature is to kill the virus or bug. they do not like the high temperature. People often think its the vitamin C in the lemon , but theres more to it.

When you bite into the lemon what happens…? Just imagining biting into a lemon is a little, well
…jibbery. The fresher the more …jibbery in reaction. guess what…the virus(bug) dislikes …the jibbery sensation in your body reaction…its like a shock wave…knock em dead with really fresh lemons and some good ole fashioned …JibBeRy

very important special note: In post 24, I made a mistake…half way down meant to say "Good-Will…"A full life demands the outright existence of “good-will” …(said ill-will by mistake)

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

I think my translation of your idea is on the money. Unless you bumbled it up…here are a few of your sentences…

“The loss of the garden of eden is the loss of reality. Everything is the opposite of reality here and now. God , demons , us and our whole world is a delusion and the opposite of reality”

Many more saying the same thing , all denying a reality to our existence. If theres no reality in YOUR EXISTENCE…then your soul is not a reality…plain and simple. And you cannot say prayers as you have no reality and therefore nothing spiritually real to pray with. So unless u bumbled up , I truly cannot see how theres a heck of allot more to this idea. Hope your feeling better with the flu…try raw lemon…heres why…
The reason your body heats up with temperature is to kill the virus or bug. they do not like the high temperature. People often think its the vitamin C in the lemon , but theres more to it.

When you bite into the lemon what happens…? Just imagining biting into a lemon is a little, well
…jibbery. The fresher the more …jibbery in reaction. guess what…the virus(bug) dislikes …the jibbery sensation in your body reaction…its like a shock wave…knock em dead with really fresh lemons and some good ole fashioned …JibBeRy

My dear friend,

Thx very much about the lemon idea, it sounds on the money. As to what i mean by the delusion that will take a while to think through more and pen. I’ll see if i can pen it in completeness as you are quite right , it is very confusing what I say. I’ll at least pen what I currently know for sure. I may add over time , if there was time , but I’ll do it. Have to go shopping now though. I’ll see you later.

God bless and Love you

John

 

[tonyrey]

I think this hits the nail on the head.

Time is a measure of change. Things don’t change outside of time or perhaps more correctly, God and Heaven do not change so therefor they are outside of time.

Is music even possible without time? Can we hear changing notes or count off a rythm.

I vote no music in Heaven. No doubt we will have something better.

-Tim-

Truth and beauty are eternal. Beauty in music should not be equated with individual notes, chords or rhythms any more than beauty in poetry should be equated with individual words, pauses or sounds - or persons with their thoughts, feelings and decisions. The atomistic view of reality is untenable because it fails to explain unity and harmony. It has been replaced by a holistic view in medicine and other branches of knowledge.

 

[GloriousOrder]

Though no two chords can ever be heard in isolation (even if they’re really far apart in time it’s just eighty-thousand full rests! ), I always gather a certain impression, image, and colour from one chord. Look into the very depths of your soul, and you will see music. In my opinion, music is not just an aural, temporal medium - but the very essence of God communicated to us in the most sublime, infinite way possible in a non-infinite place.

G minor is a sort of dark green, and always has the quality of a mysterious breeze whistling in quiet arbors that are overhanging public gardens in grand cities at night-time. D major is a pure bright golden-white, and it makes me think of the human soul itself, as a total rational substance and individual nature; it is the very glory of our soul, and the Divinity that made it. C major is a pure lustrous gold, and D-flat major is a shining black, almost like the glint of silver in a dark room. What praises can be said for the blossoming meadows of F major? How can I give all the lauds that are truly due to A major, that realm of blue skies and innocent, nostalgic summer afternoons?

Don’t you see that every last tone and key correlate perfectly to some scene, person, event, animal, or emotion in life? Some of us notice it acutely and some of us only perceive it at a subconscious level, but music communicates something much more than mere floating beats, rhythms, tempi, and harmony. In the echoing festival of a sunny day that is G major, not only is music communicated, but the very palate of our human spirit can almost taste the healing medicine that is God.

I’m being very silly and mystical here, but it seems to me that music is the voice of God. It is not the moral or just or merciful voice of God, commanding us or judging us or having pity on us; no, I mean it is the actual sound of God’s voice, if He could be translated to any media at all! It’s the very depth of joy and the height of truth. When Christ speaks to me, all I hear is music; when I hear music, I hear Christ. Is the blessed Trinity not three-part harmony on one instrument?

Thank God for the gift of music; for its tears and tremours, and for its smiles and jaw-dropping moments.

 

[paduard]

I think this hits the nail on the head.

Time is a measure of change. Things don’t change outside of time or perhaps more correctly, God and Heaven do not change so therefor they are outside of time.

Is music even possible without time? Can we hear changing notes or count off a rythm.

I vote no music in Heaven. No doubt we will have something better.

-Tim-

The resurrection of the body includes the ears. To my mind therefore, when in Heaven, we must surely experience ‘intervals’. Only God Himself can be interval free whilst at the time same be interval aware.

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

My dear friends,

It seems to me a misconception that if you can measure change and thus have a concept of time then time exists and this means you are not in eternity. This is false in my opinion. You can measure change in eternity. Indeed I would say this world now is in eternity. From the time we are conceived we are in eternity , and when we leave this world all that happens is we progress into eternity. To be eternal means all you have to do is exist in eternity , you do not have to exist forever as thought, in my opinion. Animals for instance having existed in this world are eternal even if they don’t last forever. I think there’s a lot of misconceptions about eternity myself. Change can and does occur in eternity , and sometimes we can measure it and sometimes not , that is all. With music in eternity it would be best to define music as all sound , and then what about the Word of God for instance ? That is sound and therefore music. An eternal realm does not have to exist forever to be eternal.

God bless and Love you all

John

 

[dostoyevskyfan]

Though no two chords can ever be heard in isolation (even if they’re really far apart in time it’s just eighty-thousand full rests! ), I always gather a certain impression, image, and colour from one chord. Look into the very depths of your soul, and you will see music. In my opinion, music is not just an aural, temporal medium - but the very essence of God communicated to us in the most sublime, infinite way possible in a non-infinite place.

G minor is a sort of dark green, and always has the quality of a mysterious breeze whistling in quiet arbors that are overhanging public gardens in grand cities at night-time. D major is a pure bright golden-white, and it makes me think of the human soul itself, as a total rational substance and individual nature; it is the very glory of our soul, and the Divinity that made it. C major is a pure lustrous gold, and D-flat major is a shining black, almost like the glint of silver in a dark room. What praises can be said for the blossoming meadows of F major? How can I give all the lauds that are truly due to A major, that realm of blue skies and innocent, nostalgic summer afternoons?

Don’t you see that every last tone and key correlate perfectly to some scene, person, event, animal, or emotion in life? Some of us notice it acutely and some of us only perceive it at a subconscious level, but music communicates something much more than mere floating beats, rhythms, tempi, and harmony. In the echoing festival of a sunny day that is G major, not only is music communicated, but the very palate of our human spirit can almost taste the healing medicine that is God.

I’m being very silly and mystical here, but it seems to me that music is the voice of God. It is not the moral or just or merciful voice of God, commanding us or judging us or having pity on us; no, I mean it is the actual sound of God’s voice, if He could be translated to any media at all! It’s the very depth of joy and the height of truth. When Christ speaks to me, all I hear is music; when I hear music, I hear Christ. Is the blessed Trinity not three-part harmony on one instrument?

Thank God for the gift of music; for its tears and tremours, and for its smiles and jaw-dropping moments.

Beautiful. Eloquent. Summed up my sentiments exactly. Kudos to you sir.

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

Though no two chords can ever be heard in isolation (even if they’re really far apart in time it’s just eighty-thousand full rests! ), I always gather a certain impression, image, and colour from one chord. Look into the very depths of your soul, and you will see music. In my opinion, music is not just an aural, temporal medium - but the very essence of God communicated to us in the most sublime, infinite way possible in a non-infinite place.

G minor is a sort of dark green, and always has the quality of a mysterious breeze whistling in quiet arbors that are overhanging public gardens in grand cities at night-time. D major is a pure bright golden-white, and it makes me think of the human soul itself, as a total rational substance and individual nature; it is the very glory of our soul, and the Divinity that made it. C major is a pure lustrous gold, and D-flat major is a shining black, almost like the glint of silver in a dark room. What praises can be said for the blossoming meadows of F major? How can I give all the lauds that are truly due to A major, that realm of blue skies and innocent, nostalgic summer afternoons?

Don’t you see that every last tone and key correlate perfectly to some scene, person, event, animal, or emotion in life? Some of us notice it acutely and some of us only perceive it at a subconscious level, but music communicates something much more than mere floating beats, rhythms, tempi, and harmony. In the echoing festival of a sunny day that is G major, not only is music communicated, but the very palate of our human spirit can almost taste the healing medicine that is God.

I’m being very silly and mystical here, but it seems to me that music is the voice of God. It is not the moral or just or merciful voice of God, commanding us or judging us or having pity on us; no, I mean it is the actual sound of God’s voice, if He could be translated to any media at all! It’s the very depth of joy and the height of truth. When Christ speaks to me, all I hear is music; when I hear music, I hear Christ. Is the blessed Trinity not three-part harmony on one instrument?

Thank God for the gift of music; for its tears and tremours, and for its smiles and jaw-dropping moments.

My dear friend,

You really love music don’t you. I do too. What you wrote was simply beautiful. Just wanted to tell you.

God bless and Love you

John

 

[FurtherSuntime]

Though no two chords can ever be heard in isolation (even if they’re really far apart in time it’s just eighty-thousand full rests! ), I always gather a certain impression, image, and colour from one chord. Look into the very depths of your soul, and you will see music. In my opinion, music is not just an aural, temporal medium - but the very essence of God communicated to us in the most sublime, infinite way possible in a non-infinite place.

G minor is a sort of dark green, and always has the quality of a mysterious breeze whistling in quiet arbors that are overhanging public gardens in grand cities at night-time. D major is a pure bright golden-white, and it makes me think of the human soul itself, as a total rational substance and individual nature; it is the very glory of our soul, and the Divinity that made it. C major is a pure lustrous gold, and D-flat major is a shining black, almost like the glint of silver in a dark room. What praises can be said for the blossoming meadows of F major? How can I give all the lauds that are truly due to A major, that realm of blue skies and innocent, nostalgic summer afternoons?

Don’t you see that every last tone and key correlate perfectly to some scene, person, event, animal, or emotion in life? Some of us notice it acutely and some of us only perceive it at a subconscious level, but music communicates something much more than mere floating beats, rhythms, tempi, and harmony. In the echoing festival of a sunny day that is G major, not only is music communicated, but the very palate of our human spirit can almost taste the healing medicine that is God.

I’m being very silly and mystical here, but it seems to me that music is the voice of God. It is not the moral or just or merciful voice of God, commanding us or judging us or having pity on us; no, I mean it is the actual sound of God’s voice, if He could be translated to any media at all! It’s the very depth of joy and the height of truth. When Christ speaks to me, all I hear is music; when I hear music, I hear Christ. Is the blessed Trinity not three-part harmony on one instrument?

Thank God for the gift of music; for its tears and tremours, and for its smiles and jaw-dropping moments.

You basically borrowed my post, used my theme, added nothing other than Gods voice is music.

Followed by wondering if you are being silly with one eye, the other on self gather. The guise in
humble air…is not without notice in firming up the hopeful sale. Poor marketing in presence of the wise to be most sure…

Offering very little creative impro, we can clearly see that while man is in a sense a committed
and acknowledged copy-cat, we really would be more effective if at least the original was acknowledged allowing for less of the…well,
guise . …in need !..

 

[FurtherSuntime]

You basically borrowed my post, used my theme, added nothing other than Gods voice is music.

Followed by wondering if you are being silly with one eye, the other on self gather. The guise in
humble air…is not without notice in firming up the hopeful sale. Poor marketing in presence of the wise to be most sure…

Offering very little creative impro, we can clearly see that while man is in a sense a committed
and acknowledged copy-cat, we really would be more effective if at least the original was acknowledged allowing for less of the…well,
guise . …in need !..

Lets make sure I know what I’m talking about and break down what I believe is guess work in
non-sense…copying my theme without true ability !!!

Here you :assert

“G minor is a sort of dark green, and always has the quality of a mysterious breeze whistling in quiet arbors that are overhanging public gardens in grand cities at night-time. D major is a pure bright golden-white, and it makes me think of the human soul itself, as a total rational substance and individual nature; it is the very glory of our soul, and the Divinity that made it. C major is a pure lustrous gold, and D-flat major is a shining black, almost like the glint of silver in a dark room. What praises can be said for the blossoming meadows of F major? How can I give all the lauds that are truly due to A major, that realm of blue skies and innocent, nostalgic summer afternoons?”
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G minor…is not as you describe.( I have never seen anything so off ) In fact your not even using the proper sense’s.
The minor chord is an obstruction to its major by virtue of the minor third. An obstruction must be defined in a "irregular or mis-fitting in-ordinate value offering negativism to order. The specific charactor or disposition in quantity, potencial power, and finally contrast to the remaining two elements of major ( G & D) would require attention. All of these componants need attention in final imaginitive comparison…none of which follow “a dark forest with continued ramblings” . PERIOD

Shall I go on ?..lets try another, your off on everything. You assign “shining black” to Dflat major
I guess black came to mind because of the key signature. All the flats being black on the keyboard. Shiny as well, “almost like a glint of silver in a dark room” You have now applied darkness to 2…G minor as well D flat major…so which is it??? Is major dark? or is minor dark?..The answer of course is neither are dark. The subsequent piece may evoke a potentiality to dark…but so can C Major. The “minor” is an obstruction as well explained above .An un-resolved interference to the major it belongs to It is not the absense of light in darkness. It is a clear setting in defined dis-order within the individual key. Each key then within that dis-order would evoke the possible comparrison …by virtue of major contributuion in EACH of charactor IN contribution. Thus determining a true attempt in description.Clearly using poetic jargon in order to railroad an ability. The fabrication is damaging to the reality
of music. It is mis-leading in representation by virtue of wild definitions which are not things which are up for grabs.in a public forum implying knowledge where theres is …none They are realities.
The rest is even worse

 

[4Horsemen]

The resurrection of the body includes the ears. To my mind therefore, when in Heaven, we must surely experience ‘intervals’. Only God Himself can be interval free whilst at the time same be interval aware.

I too think we experience intervals of time in heaven so that we hear not merely an accumulation of various sounds all at once, but time or tempo. Only God, in the “eternal now” can hear all notes at once and yet differentiate them. That idea seems to be in tandem with yours on “interval free” and “interval aware.”