Can NCC's be heretics and seperated brethren at the same time?

[wisdomseeker]

ALLFORHIM:
You know what–now sit down and strap yourself in to the chair--------I wouldnt mind at all having one person with authority to clean up the mess in protestanism DID I JUST SAY THAT!!!

Yes I did However, it would not be that one single person alone. They would have to be able to be held accountable if they started to teach false doctrine. They would not also be infallible as we dont believe in that.

Not God’s way, but ALLFORHIM’s way.

what a joy to be catholic, to trust on the One Holy God of Heavens and earth and in His Holy Church that according to His promise the gates of hell wil not prevail against it. AMEN!

 

[ALLFORHIM]

But you DO believe in truth. :yup: You DO believe that God wants us to know and believe the truth. :yup: Therefore you DO believe in something – whatever you might call it – that falls under an umbrella similar to infallibility. :yup:

Absolutely we just believe that is not found in one specific person(as you already know )

If you believe in the inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture, it’s only a hiccough to believe that the Holy Spirit Who wrote the Bible works through the living chain of His apostolic authority in Christ’s Church. Barely a hiccough.

Absolutely, but again we believe that would be the body of believers found all over the world and in all denominations. We all have the authority to preach the gospel of Christ only because we have the Holy Spirit in us helping us to learn and understand. Now, there are men who were given the gift of preaching/being leaders of the church. Unfortunately human sin has gotten in the way since Adam and hasnt changed at all. I wouldnt mind all of the prot churches getting together and voting on a board of overseers to which all churches could trust in. The problem I see with it is, honestly, the problems I see in catholocism. When one person or a small group of people have absolute power it will absolutely corrupt.

I kind of came around by asking myself (about stuff like the Immaculate Conception): Do I NOT believe this MORE and with better reasons than I believe in the Scriptural warrant for the Catholic Church. Of course, the answer was no. And when you get that far down the river, ya gotta tie your dinghy on the Vatican side of the Tiber.

I guess for me there are just too many reasons not to believe much of what catholocism teaches. I have to admit that ignorance is bliss sometimes. When I started posting here I knew next to nothing about catholocism and now I know so much more of what the church teaches I have a profound sadness for catholics. Im sure this sounds harsh but I am truly upset at many things I have seen posted here. I really do wish I had stayed blissfully ignorant of the teachings of the CC.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Not God’s way, but ALLFORHIM’s way.

what a joy to be catholic, to trust on the One Holy God of Heavens and earth and in His Holy Church that according to His promise the gates of hell wil not prevail against it. AMEN!

LOL YES and I expect you to call me Pope ALLFORHIM NOW
Oh Wait!!! I cant be a pope Im a woman–shucks:shrug: Thats ok–leaders are held more accountable on judgement day

I am also so incredibly glad that I belong to Christ’s church. What a humbling experience to know that God chose me for a greater purpose a higher calling. All I want to hear when I stand in front of Christ is “Well done-good and faithful servant”

 

[wisdomseeker]

Not God’s way, but ALLFORHIM’s way.

what a joy to be catholic, to trust on the One Holy God of Heavens and earth and in His Holy Church that according to His promise the gates of hell wil not prevail against it. AMEN!

LOL YES and I expect you to call me Pope ALLFORHIM NOW
Oh Wait!!! I cant be a pope Im a woman–shucks:shrug: Thats ok–leaders are held more accountable on judgement day

I am also so incredibly glad that I belong to Christ’s church. What a humbling experience to know that God chose me for a greater purpose a higher calling. All I want to hear when I stand in front of Christ is “Well done-good and faithful servant”

One more time is all about what you want. you may not hear that from Jesus “well done good servant and faithful servant.”

As catholics we say: God, Thy Will Be Done.

Pope? i think you got the answer from Our God already. you are a woman therefore cannot be pope. beside it is a calling from God and not of man.

As catholics we do not impose our will on God, but we accept His Will and obey.

“The catholic faith even when waterdown can boil the world to rags.” GK Chesterton

 

[wisdomseeker]

ALLFORHIM

I guess for me there are just too many reasons not to believe much of what catholocism teaches. I have to admit that ignorance is bliss sometimes. When I started posting here I knew next to nothing about catholocism and now I know so much more of what the church teaches I have a profound sadness for catholics. Im sure this sounds harsh but I am truly upset at many things I have seen posted here. I really do wish I had stayed blissfully ignorant of the teachings of the CC.

Dont worry or be sad for us catholics. some day Our Lord will open your eyes and you will be able to see where He truly is.

for if you love Him, i am sure He will not let you be lost.

you should meditate on the Church that Jesus built according to His promise. ask Him where that Church is.

use your reason. if the CC has been here for 2000 years, where does she come from? how this Church was formed? who started this Church? is there any man that can claim to have build this Church? these are few suggestions, but there are many more questions you can come up with.

“Surprised by Truth.” Patrick Madrid.

 

[mercygate]

I am also so incredibly glad that I belong to Christ’s church. What a humbling experience to know that God chose me for a greater purpose a higher calling. All I want to hear when I stand in front of Christ is “Well done-good and faithful servant”

wisdomseeker:

One more time is all about what you want. you may not hear that from Jesus “well done good servant and faithful servant.”

As catholics we say: God, Thy Will Be Done.

Pope? i think you got the answer from Our God already. you are a woman therefore cannot be pope. beside it is a calling from God and not of man.

As catholics we do not impose our will on God, but we accept His Will and obey.

“The catholic faith even when waterdown can boil the world to rags.” GK Chesterton

O for Pete’s sake. If I were not already Catholic, this kind of thing would certainly send me running in the other direction.

Another famous quote by GK (I paraphrase), “I would have become Catholic years ago if it had not been for Catholics.”

 

[Erich]

we believe that would be the body of believers found all over the world and in all denominations

Jesus did say he was going to build his Church, didn’t he (Matt. 16:18)? Isn’t “the church” spoken of often in Scripture (e.g., Eph.3:10, 5:21–32; Col.1:24; 1 Tim 2: 15)?

Then I guess our disagreement is not over the existence of the Church but over just *what *the Church is, right?

While we can agree that Christians share a significant spiritual bond, do you think this “invisible” union is all Jesus had in mind when he spoke of his church?

What about the time Jesus said if we have an unresolved grievance we should “tell it to the church” (Matt. 18: 17)? How’s that possible if the church is “invisible”? Didn’t his Church have to be something which could be found, and which had the authority to resolve disputes among its members? Notice, too, he said tell “*the *church”—only one.

Do you agree that the Church of the New Testament is the true Church—the one divinely founded, ordered, and guided by Christ?

If you wanted to join the New Testament Church, could you find it? Could you point out its leaders and learn its particular doctrines?

Doesn’t the New Testament Church have a visible structure, with bishops, presbyters, and deacons?

Do you think you would have been considered a member of the Church if you had followed different teachings and leaders not approved by the apostles, even though you professed belief in Christ?

If the Church of Scripture was a visible body unified in government, teaching, and worship, what is your basis for defining the Church in another way? How can you be faithful to Scripture and deny that the Church Christ founded has a visible structure and unified doctrine?

If you could belong to the New Testament Church, would you want to? To share not just a spiritual union but also the same leadership, doctrine, and worship with believers all over the world? Doesn’t that sound more like the unity Christ intended for us?

Is it possible that you’ve settled for the idea of the Church as this partial spiritual union because, based on your experience, you believe that’s all that is possible?

Sometimes people are bothered when Catholics say that Jesus has only one true Church, but how many churches did Jesus start?

 

[Erich]

We all have the authority to preach the gospel of Christ only because we have the Holy Spirit in us helping us to learn and understand.

If one takes this to mean that anyone asking for a proper interpretation will receive one from God — I assume that is exactly how you understand the assistance of the Holy Spirit to work — doesn’t the multiplicity of interpretations give you a gnawing suspicion that the Holy Spirit has not been doing his job very well?