Can one pray the Rosary while in Mass?

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Anesti33 said:
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phil19034:
So praying the Rosary would be better than sitting idol.
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I have no idea why you assumed that when I clearly set out what one should do if one attends the EF - you even quoted it.

You are citing out of context as it suits you. In 1903 (when he died), missals were not commonly available if at all. In the 1950’s they were available, and expensive - and in spite of a one wage earner family. my dad a barber, and 4 children, my parents provided each of us in turn a missal when we were able to use it and we were expected to do so. Expected being an understatement.

My mother, who had only a high school education ans was born in 1917, and my dad, who quit school at 14 and went into the woods to work as a chocker setter knew the value of the Mass and the need to be involved - and that was in the 1950’s. I am not going to argue with you. There is a vastly greater amount of information on the Mass, it’s roots in the Old testament, and its clear love expressed in the New Testament and in the Fathers and the Doctors of the Church - and none of them are talking about having a private conversation with Mary when the parish, in union with the priest, worship Christ, and the Father and the Holy Spirit through him; Christ is present in the Word; present through the priest as an alter Christus, and present in the Eucharist. It would behoove all of us to focus on the Mass.
 
You may not like the analogy; When Christ is present through the Word and through the Liturgy of the Eucharist, that is not the time to have a private conversation with his mother.
 
otjm said:
Saying the rosary while other parts of the liturgy are occurring is having a private side conversation with Mary and basically ignoring Christ.
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I strongly disagree, and it would seem that Pope St. Paul VI disagrees as well:
As a Gospel prayer, centered on the mystery of the redemptive Incarnation, the Rosary is therefore a prayer with a clearly Christological orientation. Its most characteristic element, in fact, the litany-like succession of Hail Mary’s, becomes in itself an unceasing praise of Christ, who is the ultimate object both of the angel’s announcement and of the greeting of the mother of John the Baptist: “Blessed is the fruit of your womb” (Lk. 1:42). We would go further and say that the succession of Hail Mary’s constitutes the warp on which is woven the contemplation of the mysteries. The Jesus that each Hail Mary recalls is the same Jesus whom the succession of the mysteries proposes to us-now as the Son of God, now as the Son of the Virgin-at His birth in a stable at Bethlehem, at His presentation by His Mother in the Temple, as a youth full of zeal for His Father’s affairs, as the Redeemer in agony in the garden, scourged and crowned with thorns, carrying the cross and dying on Calvary, risen from the dead and ascended to the glory of the Father to send forth the gift of the Spirit. As is well known, at one time there was a custom, still preserved in certain places, of adding to the name of Jesus in each Hail Mary reference to the mystery being contemplated. And this was done precisely in order to help contemplation and to make the mind and the voice act in unison.
(Marialis Cults n. 46, emphasis added)
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Note: this is the same source cited by @Todd_Easton above.

Edit: I did not intend to reply to @MtnDwellar, but rather to @otjm.
 
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ioannes_pius said:
I strongly disagree, and it would seem that Pope St. Paul VI disagrees as well:
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You can disagree as much as you want; unless you can show that he was speaking of saying the rosary during Mass, it is a quote out of context entirely.

Hyperdulia is not latria.
 
otjm said:
unless you can show that he was speaking of saying the rosary during Mass, it is a quote out of context entirely
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I readily concede that he was not speaking of praying the rosary, because he later said that praying the rosary during mass was a mistake, as has been shown above.

Rather, I was responding to the idea that the Rosary is ‘not an act of worship’ or that it is a conversation with Mary to the exclusion of Christ.
 
MtnDwellar said:
I was taught to actively participate by raising my heart and mind to join the angels and saints in the heavenly liturgy.
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Indeed, this is quite right.

Our active participation in the Mass has both an interior aspect and an exterior aspect. The interior aspect consists of uniting our dispositions to those of Jesus on the Altar. The exterior aspect consists of reciting the responses, chanting/singing, performing the other external acts within the Mass, etc. The interior aspect is the most important, it is the essential aspect. Without it, our participation is not truly active:

Our Participation in the Mass
 
Odilon said:
He was wrong (in my humble opinion).
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And in my humble opinion, I submit that Paul VI was wrong in Marialis cultis to call the rosary during Mass a “mistake”. Was this the solemn teaching of the magisterium on a point of faith or morality? It sounds more like a recommendation or “best practices” to me.

This is key. As I noted elsewhere, everybody is different. People come to Mass from all different walks of life, some carrying burdens that no one else could ever comprehend. Some are joyous and some are mentally doubled over with sadness and grief. The faithful are not Marines running cadence — and that’s precisely what it sounds like some people want assisting at Holy Mass to be like.

If I have to, I’ll just reallocate my time and resources, and drive two hours each way to the TLM every Sunday, once the pandemic gets under control. Often I have a mind to do that anyway — it’s where my heart lies. It’d be roughly the same as the driving I used to do six days a week (sometimes seven!) to my job downtown before I retired, if you added it all up.
 
otjm said:
No. we don’t worship Mary. That is the Protestant charge.

We honor her, and honor the saints; the terms in Latin are duli, and hyperdulia (for Mary) as we give her the highest honor.
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Thanks for the lesson…but I never said that we worship Mary. The rosary is a Marion devotion through which we worship her Son.
otjm said:
appalled at the apparent lack of understanding of the Mass, of the part we have in the Mass, of the blessing we have in having the Mass so readily available to us
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Was this directed at me? Did you read the link posted by @ioannes_pius?

I will only add that when we are at Mass we are actually participating in the continuous heavenly liturgy - heaven on earth. If meditating on the sacred mysteries through the rosary brings one closer heaven, then use it.
 
phil19034 said:
I attend the Latin Mass regularly. When attending the Latin Mass, one should be reading and praying the mass by using a missal.
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I think you mean the Extraordinary Form. I believe it would help if you called it that. The Ordinary Form can be celebrated in Latin. Therefore, saying Latin Mass could mean either form of the Roman Rite or, indeed, any other Catholic Rite.

I was not saying you must pray the Rosary during the Extraordinary Form (EF), simply that it is permitted. As I understand it there are few if any responses for one to make at an EF Mass. However, at the Ordinary Form (OF) even as a member of the congregation you participate in the Mass quite a lot. In an OF Mass is in Latin or a vernacular language you do not speak I think you are expected to, at least, try and follow along. The language may be unknown to you but the order of Mass is the same.
 
Like someone said earlier, if you had approached the Blessed Mother at the Last Supper for conversation she would have told you to keep quiet and concentrate on what was going on before you at that moment. I love the rosary and it’s a most beautiful prayer to be prayed at the correct time and place. The fact that even the “Hail Mary” prayer by itself has not been incorporated into our liturgical worship should tell you something.
 
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Odilon said:
The fact that even the “Hail Mary” prayer by itself has not been incorporated into our liturgical worship should tell you something.
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Actually it has; it appears after the Bidding Prayers at Mass in England.
 
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stpurl said:
And again, nobody is forcing anybody to pray the rosary at Mass.
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We are only stating our opinions as to whether it is a correct action or not to be praying the rosary during our communal worship. Some have no problem with people doing it, others such as myself think this is not the correct time nor place.
 
otjm said:
From CCC 1070: “From this it follows that every liturgical celebration, because it is an action of Christ the priest and of his Body which is the Church, is a sacred action surpassing all others.
No other action of the Church can equal its efficacy by the same title and to the same degree.”
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That says it all!
 
Odilon said:
Okay, so I guess you are from England. Now, what are these “Bidding Prayers” that you speak of. Such words are unknown to me.
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Strictly speaking they are called The Prayers of the Faithful’ I think, or ‘Intercessions’ although Bidding Prayers is commonly used.

The custom of the Hail Mary relates to the historical title of England as ‘Mary’s Dowry’. It is introduced by some phrase as ‘Let us ask Our Lady to join her prayers with ours as we say. Hail Mary…’

I believe a letter came from one of the Bishops asking the faithful not to say it any more, so as to bring England into line with the rest of the world, but it continues.
 
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stpurl said:
Why oh why can’t people just let this alone, and say something like, “Well it should be up to the individual?
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Because it never is. Again, I ask: which is better the lake or the sea? Why focus on an inlet when you have the source?
 
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